You should play what you like! If anything all these groups clearing with BRDs when they are supposed to be oh so bad should show that personal skill seems to be (by far) the biggest factor to success rather than any perceived class imbalances. Not that SE has a perfect track record or anything, but they don't usually leave classes so bad off that that they can't raid or be a real detriment to their group.
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You should play what you like! If anything all these groups clearing with BRDs when they are supposed to be oh so bad should show that personal skill seems to be (by far) the biggest factor to success rather than any perceived class imbalances. Not that SE has a perfect track record or anything, but they don't usually leave classes so bad off that that they can't raid or be a real detriment to their group.
You should play why you like, like DRG or DRG.
SliceSabre
Banned
Be a Bard and prove all those bullies wrong!
There was a DRK to PLD swap for A2S though.
...is there a secret underground movement pushing the myth that MCH DPS is vastly superior to Bard? Why are people acting like bards in clear groups is a sign that all the complaints were wrong or that the problem with bard was ever damage output?
Clearing Savage doesn't fix the fundamental clunkiness 3.x dumped on the class, any more than clearing FCoB with a PLD fixed the problem with PLD being fundamentally boring. There's no sticking it to the man here. It's not about whether or not you can clear with a bard over a machinist, it is (or should be) about which job the player will actually enjoy more.
Clearing Savage doesn't fix the fundamental clunkiness 3.x dumped on the class, any more than clearing FCoB with a PLD fixed the problem with PLD being fundamentally boring. There's no sticking it to the man here. It's not about whether or not you can clear with a bard over a machinist, it is (or should be) about which job the player will actually enjoy more.
Augemitbutter
Member
i just enable hotbar 1 and hotbar 2 for pvp. 3 and 4 are for pve. the others stay disabled when one set is active.
AlphaDragoon
Member
Hi Kenai (I'm Ren).
And yeah, I do play on pad. I don't have a macro for it though, I just use up or down on the control pad to select the person and pop it when needed. You get used to it when you do it enough, same with popping Shadewalker on tanks (which is amazing and I highly recommend using in boss fights and even some trash pulls) or Smoke Screen for people getting murderized by a stray add.
Augemitbutter
Member
next up: switch max lvl gear on/off. everyone is happy!
someone complains blabla you don't have to play the game to.....
weird person: then don't use it!
someone complains blabla you don't have to play the game to.....
weird person: then don't use it!
I feel like a group will be clearing it without doing that soon though (if they haven't already?)
Player enjoyment is a hard thing for us (not to mention the dev team) to gauge since there's no objective critera or checklist apply to the entire playerbase or even a majority of it. Not that it isn't important, but I imagine their first and most important goal is always going to be along the lines of "Is this class being brought to content? Y/N? Why/why not" and then they probably go from there. Things like how fun the class is to play come up too i am sure (no one wants to play classes that aren't fun for them), but we are never going to know how much of the playerbase cares specifically about BRD, we just assume enough ppl care when SE makes changes to the class later. What is an issue for you might not be an issue for a lot of people since people who are content tend to say nothing. We just dunno.
Meh. I definitely feel there are valid complaints with the new loot system, but "I can't get the best raid gear outside of raids /nerdrage" is not one of them.
Thanks. Yeah I'll start using it more so I get used to it.
Yeah, i guess i might take some time off the game
Had fun leveling a DRK and got ilvl 178 last night but my love for mmos fades way too quickly unfortunately
We'll never know cause Lucrezia runs PLD/WAR and no one cares who else clears.
InfiniDragon
Member
Play what you like Kags, don't let people's perception push you into a job you don't want. You're way better at this than most of those lolBRDs anyway.
It's like everyone missing the point being "I wonder if there's a reason they chose BRD here instead of MCH" and not "but everyone said birdo is bad."
I mean, for most the base mechanics we saw in A2 from Normal, PLD/WAR is fundamentally better at the generic add pick-up and resource control than DRK. If we're talking min/max progression, there's a good reason to swap there for the slight edge.
I mean, for most the base mechanics we saw in A2 from Normal, PLD/WAR is fundamentally better at the generic add pick-up and resource control than DRK. If we're talking min/max progression, there's a good reason to swap there for the slight edge.
You specifically referenced bards in clears as a sign of skill over class imbalance, in a response to somebody debating BRD vs MCH. I'm trying to figure out why people think there's any perceived class imbalance tilt in MCH's favor in terms of actual power, because I've literally never seen it. People aren't going MCH because it's more viable than Bard--that's not the reasoning I've seen anyone use, it's always been some variant of Minuet is bullshit or Barrel feels better--so responding with "no guys look bard is totally just as good!" Is... Weird. Clearing content doesn't address any of the base objections that have been gone over, at length, by a sizable chunk of the community? The people who were happy with the playstyle change never switched and have nothing to debate.
Nose Master
Member
Where do you turn in esoterics?
Ah good, sounds like muscle memory then. Thx for clearing that up.
lol this is true isn't it. CL cleared A1 10 min later and no one cared even a little bit. Oh well i will take my scrub AST A1 clears later this week once work dies down. I hear Faust is pretty dumb and he's only a midboss so that already sounds fun. If I make it to A4 anytime soon I am sure that will blow my mind.
birdo is like ... a whole extra percent higher for Foe's buff vs 2x Melee Rook Hypercharge!
I think most of it's a wash for these two classes outside of enjoyment. The side angle of "but now this class is better because it was in a clear!" is kind of weird. At best there's some "I wonder if there was a min/max choice here" but nothing else, really.
They did DRK/WAR for A1S (for a reason) and switched to PLD/WAR (also for a reason).
TastyOreoFriend
Member
yeah thats true. however you gotta admit though that for a game that actively encourages you to level alternate classes they do a piss poor job and a lot of hand wringing when it comes to gearing them. I'm actively debating whether or not I sure gear DRK or DRG first in esoterics and then gear the other in alex normal stuff. i guess i can foroget about NIN and WAR for a long while yet :/
After awhile you'll have more Esoterics than you know what to do with.
Ah good, sounds like muscle memory then. Thx for clearing that up.
lol this is true isn't it. CL cleared A1 10 min later and no one cared even a little bit. Oh well i will take my scrub AST A1 clears later this week once work dies down. I hear Faust is pretty dumb and he's only a midboss so that already sounds fun. If I make it to A4 anytime soon I am sure that will blow my mind.
How slight is a slight edge? I know next to nothing about tanking, (and I thought DRK was super good at holding hate on multiple mobs?) but even assuming that PLD/WAR is better than whatever/DRk is at A2, is that going to hold up for all 4 floors? And are so many people (strangers especially) going to be willing to shuffle people around for this slight edge that may be completely overshadowed by something like player skill?
The problem with trying to mimic worldfirst clear groups is all of the nuancies that go into making a worldfirst clear that people won't, aren't or can't do 9like feeding a specific player gear, or even a particular player being better at a job yet be willing to learn a new one from scratch + be good at it). I did some of that stuff back in the day in WoW and I just...I dunno.
In some ways yes. Tbh my biggest grip with the game now isn't the clearing but the lack of space for all those non shared sets. Being able to level everything doesn't preclude having specializations in certain situations like this for progress. Some people may dislike it but for me who loves certain jobs far more than others I kinda like someone who wants to max out everything having to make a bit of a choice right now. They'll get it in time anyway.
I'll reply more to you and Angary later, but gotta go to work
I love talking about this stuff.Considering you don't play DRG, your DRG dps will be like sub-500. So yes, whatever increase foes will give to Makoto and Rin will be better than the negative DPS of your switch to DRG.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Play what you like unless you play ninja and you get the worst mudra lag, then you're plain outta luck.
Their resource generation is a bigger constraint than the others. You can offload most of the snap pick-up to WAR but PLD/WAR will do a better job at most of it over a period of time. I think there's another major reason they swapped but I'm not sure yet.
There's really no player shuffle this early, it's just about initial choice for playing. And, again, A1 -> A2 was DRK/WAR to PLD/WAR for world second A1 / world first A2. Realistically, for our group these slight edges won't matter since we're not running until tonight anyway so the only dog we have in the race is "I wonder if there's an overall reason for the choice."
I mean, I guess you're just stuck on this idea that this is all "if we want to clear, we should do what they did." It's not. It's more there were choices made for the clear, I wonder why and debating how big of a deal those things are. I'm curious to see how DRK add pick-up works over an X minute fight with the potential of "make sure some adds are stunned" has on Blood Price refills. It seems to mostly be a case of an easier time to learn the fight at this gear level with PLD/WAR and not like some impossible wall.
I've done world first progression raiding for a lot of MMOs so I know it's really not just a case of "if we have the right pieces, it'll work itself out" but it doesn't somehow invalidate, "oh, their strat was this I wonder if that was the best or what they thought was the best." We're doing the latter but I think most of this discussion is assuming the former?
Mathematically speaking, it's like ~.7% vs ~2% for total raid DPS increase or something like that. If we want to split hairs like that, we'd see a bigger gain if I just switched to a melee in the first place or if we had SCH/AST or WHM/SCH and so-on and so-forth.
Play whichever you prefer, the min/max angle of it is pretty minor? Honestly, we'd probably have a bigger gain overall just picking up more Alex Normal drops than a class swap would yield.
The irony is not lost on me that I leveled DRG specifically in case the switch was a thing
Now extra pointless beyond tanking accessories!
SliceSabre
Banned
Rogue/Ninja look like so much fun but Mudras look confusing and scare a person with a healer mindset like me who never has to think about rotations and such.
The actual ninjutsu is really easy to learn, you get introduced to each of the three mudras slowly enough that you have time to play with one or two at a time before you get the last one.
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It's mostly muscle memory once you do it enough. Generally you don't move you hotlkeys or skill positions for important abilities.
Like how Invoker from Dota becomes muscle memory.
That macro gave me an error, Drama. Please provide a fix.
Why would I switch to DRG when two people in my group already have it at 60?
There's an option to limit which hotbars you want to cycle through if you're switching hotbars that way. You just can't disable hotbars with the L1 + facebutton way of switching. It should be in the hotbars section with all the hotbars listed with checkboxes.
We are currently looking into this issue and plan to deploy a hotfix ahead of game update 3.65.
Silvawuff
Member
Is the gilseller spam still out of control? e.g. log in and immediately get five bot tells? That's one of my main sticking points for not picking this up right away.
Also looking at the heavy raid focus: I think this game would really benefit from other endgame things to do. I know this game is not FFXI, but think how cool it would be if it could execute something like sky/sea/limbus/salvage/dynamis etc etc etc. Also NMs. Not hunts, NMs.
Also looking at the heavy raid focus: I think this game would really benefit from other endgame things to do. I know this game is not FFXI, but think how cool it would be if it could execute something like sky/sea/limbus/salvage/dynamis etc etc etc. Also NMs. Not hunts, NMs.
I wouldn't find the bolded cool, I would find it irritating.
HylianScribe
Member
So been watching stream of A1 Savage for awhile, and I have one question:
Do both oppressors have to die at the same time realistically a-la T1 Caduceus during Binding Coil progress? Reason I ask is I see most groups using caster LB3 to hit both and saving LB1 for melee, and was wondering if you could melee Lb3 one of the opporessors to kill it faster and switch over to the other.
Also, the stay in middle and run to safe spot while dropping resins is no bueno, I like the method of running to the marked circle spots and then moving to safe spot along an edge method.
Also, the stay in middle and run to safe spot while dropping resins is no bueno, I like the method of running to the marked circle spots and then moving to safe spot along an edge method.
Caster lb3 on two targets is more total damage than melee lb3 on one target. I believe that's why they are doing that.
He's asking if the duration is less than 15 seconds on savage. 15 seconds is like an eternity so its always been a non-issue.
Crafting, fishing, gathering, sightseeing, triple triad, chocobo racing, gardening, airships...?
Combat-related endgame activities: pvp, beast tribes, hunts, dungeons, primals, Alexander, weird special fates, leveling alternate classes, etc...?
Perhaps none of those are specifically the kind of activity you're looking for, but 14 doesn't really have a shortage of endgame things to do.
Rose of Eternity
Banned
I like that method too, it's like one person is tugging everyone else along behind them.
HylianScribe
Member
I guess this stream group must have hit enrage just after they killed one then. It was a Japanese stream so I couldn't read anything so I didn't know if it was some penalty (this big aoe that went off) for not killing both at the same time (savage only mechanic possibly) or the enrage. They just cleared though, double melee drops.
Asami...
There are three gobwalkers in A2 Savage. Get rekt.