You know both Turn 5 and Turn 9 were pretty big walls too. This isn't unusual.
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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT| Raiders of the Void Ark
- Thread starter Trojita
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You know both Turn 5 and Turn 9 were pretty big walls too. This isn't unusual.
Rose of Eternity
Banned
Not unusual for this game, but other mmos usually don't release all of the raid content and then gate it to gear. They might do a staggered release, like A1 one week, A2 next, etc so that the gear up feels more natural (sort of), but in this game they just throw out everything without any hint (due to ptr) of the requirements. So these guilds throw themselves against a wall they actually can't climb. Just not used to that style.
I agree this is most likely the reason why.
TranceKuja
Member
I'm having a blast with this game in the GAF-guild. No problems finding people to run low level story dungeons with, everyone is so friendly too.
Already made it to level 27. I'm almost up to the point where I quit last time. Never actually defeated Titan so when that day comes, all content will be new to me
Already made it to level 27. I'm almost up to the point where I quit last time. Never actually defeated Titan so when that day comes, all content will be new to me
Rose of Eternity
Banned
So you're not in the Ultros one.
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
You never played WoW?
The most notorious example is probably C'thun from AQ.
Also I'm pretty WoW even had spots were bosses were unbeatable because the rest of the raid dungeon wasn't finished.
Oh wow, I thought Faust was the boss in A1, as a lot of people are having issues defeating him, but he is a mini-boss D:
I think I'm glad I'm not touching Alexander Savage yet. Will just work on my Esoterics thingies for the next weeks. It's recommended to save the tomestones for the i200 weapon first, right?
I think I'm glad I'm not touching Alexander Savage yet. Will just work on my Esoterics thingies for the next weeks. It's recommended to save the tomestones for the i200 weapon first, right?
Rose of Eternity
Banned
I knew someone was going to bring up Cthun or Ouro but Cthun was literally unkillable on release. Also think back on how long it took for an AQ clear compared to how long it took for BT clear and so on. Not to mention once Lich brought in hard modes those were what required gearing. We're talking 4 bosses here for FF14 compared to 10+ in WoW.
At least some of those 10+ bosses were certainly Faust quality though?
Rose of Eternity
Banned
Faust wishes he was Patchwerk. :3
I just told you how, mang.
Shorter parses = higher numbers because burst will last longer. You can coast on that. One guy in that comment thread said he hits 1200+ in 2:25. That's 15 seconds+ faster than most people take to kill Faust.
If you guys are hitting enrage your parses will be around 2:40 to 2:50 and you aren't likely going to see 1200 by then. Like I said, you're gonna have to get that effective dps in other places. In my group's case, it came from the tanks.
I wasn't sure how serious you all were with the comments about AoEs. D:
Haiiiii. Noted with much thanks.
Will have to regroup and come up with alternative solutions.
AoE all day everyday.
Do not AoE more than your normal single target rotation demands. You are doing about as close as you are going to get to max dps as a bard in the possible gear right now. The needed damage needs to come from other sources whether that be a slacking dps or tanks and healers needing to step up.
No, not really. I think is the first time I've seen a straight tank and spank, ignore adds boss in serious raid content. There are certainly easy bosses from a mechanical standpoint, but never anything this brain dead. FFXIV has always had an issue with too little encounters per raid. It is what it is, there is no defending it.
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
Faust is just trash. Just really strong trash now.
He's a mini-boss. The point still stands that 4 real bosses is lol worthy no matter how you slice it.
One thing I did with my BLM/SMN behind me was to start by the obvious BV Foe Requiem, but I Requiem'd again around 6ish stacks and I had around 3kish mp for the final stretch. That might help eek a few more points of total damage out.
TastyOreoFriend
Member
actually would like to know the answer to this as well. ive been debating whether or not i should just take the armor and wait for the weapon since its 3 weeks of saving vs 4 weeks for the body and pants.
The increase to dps from the weapon will blow the body and legs together out of the water, so yes, weapon is always first for a tank and dps. Healers might go by a different rule set, idk.
Edit: Everyone can just go paladin and buy their weapon in two weeks.
TastyOreoFriend
Member
i figured as much, but you know glamor > everything else so thats a thing. its all about lookin clean
Always weapon. Always.
And yes, I love being PLD. Next week Weapon
I can get my weapon and body in 2.5 weeks.With most of these AF2s being ugly as hell? Nah
I guess the idea is a "If you can't make this much DPS don't even come here" test.
Sounds petty to me in a weird way. Why bother with that when oppressor is two steps away and is a real test? This is straight up their answer to people sharing skips over ADS in T1 and trash in T6 and T10. Yoship is notorious for not liking people gaming the system and it gets dumb sometimes. Who cares if someone shared a lockout to skip past ADS. It's a garbage boss with no loot.
RellyRell28
Banned
Yeah I've officially decided to go for the weapon first since the Black Mage's weapon is Det/SS so yeah.
Secondary stats matter so little at the moment that those shouldn't even really be in the discussion. The 1-2 weapon damage and large amount of int/det/str/whatever is the real meat.
There is an option in ACT that filters the numbers for single target damage instead of overall damage from what maple told me!
Select target (in this case, Faust) -> Right-click "Incoming Damage" -> "Lookup by Combatant"
Rose of Eternity
Banned
what am I even doing right now.. do I even need rav ex weapon or alex gear when I can buy 200 stuff. even if its weeks away, there's nothing that actually needs the gear but savage. and it will be weeks before a non-static can get together and attempt savage anyway. is there anything but pvp left in this game right now. why did they do 160->200 within a month of xpac release.
Are you on Ultros? If so, think longer. Ultros doesn't have a healthy PFer scene for this kind of content.
You should get a static.
Because actually getting 200 is going to take you a long-ass time, especially if you're not raiding and have 0 shot at non-esoterics gear?
You can just log in and cap your esoterics every week and eventually buy all the pieces, if increasing your ilevel is what you're playing for. The weekly cap means you'd have to stay subbed to do it, and eventually you'll outgear Savage enough to feel comfortable doing it.
There's no reason for them to withhold release esoterics gear further. Rav EX weapons will have been the best for almost two months before people can afford to buy esoterics; they'll still be the best way to gear up alt classes.
A1S won't be the scary beast it is once everyone is rocking a weapon and one or two pieces of esoterics plus all of their alex normal stuff. I think a month is fair to expect PF groups to be running.
Rose of Eternity
Banned
Aye, but my lifestyle/time doesn't really mesh well with a static. I've done my share of hardcore raiding at set times, it's not really for me anymore.
I think pvp would be plenty of content for me if gearing for pvp made sense. But the way the gear is statted and how it brings your ilvl DOWN instead of UP like WoW.. I don't know, makes it feel meaningless. Why isn't the pvp gear i200 the way pve gear is. Why isn't there a ranking system with secondary currency to upgrade them.. etc.
I guess I wish stuff like Bis/Rav were more abundant and released more frequently. Though, like I said, in a few weeks with gear I'm sure there will be A1 pf parties so that meshes better with my playstyle.
They didn't know how to work around a pvp stat (what did we have for this game? expertise? prestige?) so instead of trying to figure it out, they just dropped it and threw their hands up in the air. Now that pvp gear is statted the same as pve stuff, they can't make pvp gear a high ilvl because then people would use that to get raid ready instead of doing pve things.
irfaanator
Banned
when the pvp gear was released it was consistent w/ the ilvls at the time. They havent done much w/ it since then. Plus all pvp content was geared towards lvl 50 characters anyways. Look at secure and slaughter, they'll sync you lvl 50.
Morale used to have an effect in pvp and now it doesnt because trying to fight ppl w/ morale when you dont have any was dumb. Also it isnt on their priority so it will always get the shaft
Rose of Eternity
Banned
WoW did a morale-like system as well. It's fine. I think the confusing thing for most casual players is why do morale and materia work in a mode that isn't played as much and doesn't get any new content. Den is great, but if you release a new Frontlines and everyone is in that, why is shit on my gear useless.
Morale, that's what I was thinking of. Good system that needed minor adjustments but FFXIV is a carebear game so real pvp scared them.
irfaanator
Banned
Morale sucked especially with how crappy wolves den was and class balance. Wait 45 minutes for a match to then lose to Rum Raisin in his better gear and get like 40 experience was not a great system
Morale was fine, wolves den was a garbage attempt at Pvp. People still salty that they were getting wrecked and its been more than a year lol
Remember you are watching top end groups run this content.
Unlike something like Rav EX, they won't be going to PFer for the content as they are in a static. So his pool of players is non-static players who don't raid. And then you're dealing with Ultros which has a very small pool of raid-ready players compared to some other servers.
So I doubt a month for a decent amount of PFers.
Remember how long it took for T10 and T11 PFers to show up.
irfaanator
Banned
different tastes then.
HylianScribe
Member
SF V beta begins in 6 hours. I know people will be pushing A1S hard still, but anyone else in GAF mumble who has it hit me up so you can blow me up while I do wake-up shoryuken for days. Also I will be changing to Twin Badders later today to ride the win train to ADS mount this weekend after I get BLM to 60.
About a month for T10, yeah. I'm not saying there will be 100s in the PF or that it will even be remotely successful. But 1 or 2 will be there and people will join them. Not everyone who wants to raid is in a static, especially in a more casual server like ultros.
You'll be getting blown up in A1 savage tonight. Pls be excited.
irfaanator
Banned
you cant match against specific ppl, only randoms anywhere in the world
Rose of Eternity
Banned
Flames were winning this morning so I hope you change right when Adders are terrible.
We got A1S in 6hrs
boooo
HylianScribe
Member
We got A1S in 6hrs
I will stream our attempts with this music playing non-stop as we wipe to Fraust/Oppressor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qd0Dc1SOT8