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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT| Raiders of the Void Ark
- Thread starter Trojita
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Primal Data Center was/is choking up earlier.
I wish they'd make story mode Coil you could go in and enjoy without assembling a competent group; but I guess that'd distract time and resources for a very questionable advantage.
It's also quite a bit on the comedic side.
Doesn't help that the Alexander raid's story concerns a zone you just discovered and a character you just met, so it's not nearly as impacting as Coil's story?
SliceSabre
Banned
Like I said before, there was no way Alexander was ever going to match FCoB due to the fact Coil had a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT more build-up to it than Alexander could have reasonably be given. Plus I mean its Bahamut who is default going to be more interesting to the players than any other Primal/Summon.
Well you can do it unsynced iirc? Still, it wouldn't be the same anyway. I just don't have that same "let's fight for this!" feeling in Savage. It's more like "yeah, been there done that now I just fight some more tougher machines than before"..
I can't properly put my finger on it but it's actually really disheartening
You are most probably right Ken. It's just not making me feel involved or connected at all. I mean seeing the actual story behind the Phoenix Boss and then the final T13 fight. It gives me goosebumps just thinking about it. Yet alone the feeling of actually beating it in the end..I also still think that echo and making the really tough raids easier over time is still way better than what they did with Normal and Savage mode now.
Yeah very true. I just added a few of our coil videos to our FC site and I just realized that Alex will never be the same. I sincerely hope that they will introduce raids such as coil again in the future..
SliceSabre
Banned
Because Coil's story is connected to the main storyline, the only way Alexander could have compared is if at some point during the very development in the game they decided Alexander was going to be an central part to the entire story of Erozea like Bahamut is.
The only character who compares to Bahamut in regards to story is Generic adventuer/Warrior/Dragoon Hyur dude.
I think also its just first time experience sort of deal. i.e. First time you do coil is an amazing experience. But if they made another like it in the same way with everything you liked about coil, it simply wouldn't feel that same cause you've 'done' it before.
The only character who compares to Bahamut in regards to story is Generic adventuer/Warrior/Dragoon Hyur dude.
I think also its just first time experience sort of deal. i.e. First time you do coil is an amazing experience. But if they made another like it in the same way with everything you liked about coil, it simply wouldn't feel that same cause you've 'done' it before.
I don't really see why. The point was to make the story accessible to casuals. Echo doesn't really help against one-hit kill mechanics...
Well there are more than enough big possible threads for raids in the story. I really hope they go that way again. Heck the Knights part was very anticlimatic..could have been a new raid, too instead of just a dungeon and a final fight
I don't see how a whole raid of fighting similar looking knights would be better. Like people already complain that the alexander bosses look too similar.
Also, First Coil had pretty meh story, I'd wait and see what happens in the next ones before writing off the Alexander one.
Well it's early days yet so maybe give it time. The way they are talking about Alexander and what would happen if it activated seems like there could be some epic stuff down the line.
I need to go back and actually watch the cut scenes from Coil. I had no idea that the Bahamut story got wrapped up there.
I need to go back and actually watch the cut scenes from Coil. I had no idea that the Bahamut story got wrapped up there.
Because of all the stuff we just discussed? It also means you fly through the first experience of discovering a boss way too fast and then you go back just to fight the exact same model with more mechanics and more damage and dps checks..I don't find that very appealing compared to an actual unique challenge.
Huh? I don't think you understood at all what I meant.
A raid a la Coil with the knights linked to the actual story would have been more interesting than Alex Normal and then Savage.
Bahamut wasn't really connected to ARR's MSQ was it? Thought that was all about the Garleans and junk, and Coil happens because we stumble upon Garleans investigating some Dalamud fragments.
So we can get more quality lines like "sickness must be purged" instead of "beep boop/pshkooh fire gobbiebomb."
Having played them all going back to 7th grade, it's my opinion that Coil is among the best things in a Final Fantasy ever. Music, story, tough but rewarding bosses. Unfortunately because of the nature of MMO's it has a shelf life.
In a way, I can kind of appreciate how they didn't try to repeat that but went in a whole other direction instead with Alexander. And if they never introduce echo for Savage (still not sure what direction they will go with that) beating it will be a unique achievement. And who knows where they will go with the story, the goblins could be a red herring.
In a way, I can kind of appreciate how they didn't try to repeat that but went in a whole other direction instead with Alexander. And if they never introduce echo for Savage (still not sure what direction they will go with that) beating it will be a unique achievement. And who knows where they will go with the story, the goblins could be a red herring.
There's a lot of mystery about Alexander as well, though. Just because the first set of bosses aren't exactly super exciting (it's like fighting those blitzball machines from X three times. Excitement) there's a decent bit of lore still kind of barely revealing itself already. I'm intrigued by the overarching plot, but a big problem so far is that there wasn't that omfg reveal that the first set of coil turns had where suddenly bahamut's hand and you see him in the background when you finish it.
The spectacle is missing right now from Alexander, but I'm sure it'll pick up as it goes.
Chalk me up as one of the people who really wanted Alexander to be a raid about
but instead they "wasted" that on the story. Like I wanted each boss in the Alexander raid to be a different one of them, culminating with the last one.
However, my version would have possibly been A. Boring and B. severely lacking in gobbieboom and whizzbangs. So fuck that.
The spectacle is missing right now from Alexander, but I'm sure it'll pick up as it goes.
Chalk me up as one of the people who really wanted Alexander to be a raid about
Knights of the Round
However, my version would have possibly been A. Boring and B. severely lacking in gobbieboom and whizzbangs. So fuck that.
SliceSabre
Banned
I dunno I quite enjoyed being called a filthy rat.
Time turning up the volume
Time turning on us always
No time enough to wallow
For turning back to where we began
Is quality.
I finally hit lvl50 for the first time last night (DRG).
It's nuts how much of a jump it is. I did the job quest and went straight from being equipped with a set iLvl45 gear to iLvl90, then went and bought some iLvl115 stuff in the marketplace to round out the build without destroying the sexy look. The takeaway is that in the space of 10 minutes my HP and damage output basically doubled. The last few MSQ missions are sure to be an absolute breeze.
It's nuts how much of a jump it is. I did the job quest and went straight from being equipped with a set iLvl45 gear to iLvl90, then went and bought some iLvl115 stuff in the marketplace to round out the build without destroying the sexy look. The takeaway is that in the space of 10 minutes my HP and damage output basically doubled. The last few MSQ missions are sure to be an absolute breeze.
Well, it wasn't always this way.
SliceSabre
Banned
SliceSabre
Banned
But that ass, those muscles...
Which is great for the 10 people that stuck with 1.0, but Coil still does a good job of creating curiosity for 2.0 players despite barely having presence in the 2.x MSQ, at least it did for me.
SliceSabre
Banned
Yeah they did a good job in basically telling a coherent story for chumps like me who didn't play 1.0 and had no real clue as to what happened at the end of that in universe. I did research while going through coil since I was interested, but I think I would have understood even without doing so.
I still think coil versus Alexander is basically that Coil is more of a more... Final Fantasy styled raid. Magic. Dragons. Big creatures to combat. Alexander so far is something that feels uniquely 14 because it's about Gobbies and primals in a more obvious way than Coil was. I'm also a fan of psuedo steampunk type environments and gobbiespeak so I'm perfectly content with Alexander.
Nobody's talking about twins.
Demoskinos
Member
I tend to agree. Sort of feeling put off by the whole end game right now. I would have much rather the difficulty of Alex Normal was on par with coil with echo introduced at a later date. With Savage being added for the crazy people. There is at this point like not a whole lot of reason to even do Alex Normal with Eso gear and Savage just turns the dial too much in the other direction for me to care.
Tales of the Dragonsong War #2 "The Dreamer and the Dream" is out. :3
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/2015/short_stories/
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/2015/short_stories/
My only current beef with Savage is making me realize how terrible it is that my stun and ranged silence share a recast, but my stun only works in melee range. If I'm not announcing "...I just fucked up and we're gonna wipe", I'm confusing my same-charge tether buddy by running away to Suppressive Fire my piston.
It helps that the story doesn't do much for me, but the actual fight evolutions between Normal and Savage still make it feel pretty rewarding.
It helps that the story doesn't do much for me, but the actual fight evolutions between Normal and Savage still make it feel pretty rewarding.
It's all about buying the items. So 30 tokens get you all you need and then it's over.
Alright, thanks. Are all the seasonal events like this or are some more in depth?
Well, it was fun making money while it lasted. There were only a few people selling mogpoms on my server, and we were all selling them around the same price for the last few weeks. They were selling extremely well too, but I woke up today finding a lot of new people flooding the mb with them. Only a matter of time before the severe undercutting starts.
Nah! Alexander A1-A3 bosses music is SO GOOD.
In fact, except the original Answers and the Nael theme, Coil music was boring as fuck. Basically all remixes of the same theme or the boring Twintania music (wasn't the same as the Ascian fight in 2.0?).
I quite like Alex, but it may be because, as a FFXI player, I love Goblins.
SliceSabre
Banned
You'd have to be considering individually they don't amount to the dung lalafells leave behind after using the bathroom.
You don't like this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2fnfYySC6k
Also as a FFXI player you should hate Goblins and the hours spent in the jungle exping off them.
I knew lalafells' overinflated sense of self-importance was involved.
SliceSabre
Banned
As if a soul-less Au-ra has anyplace to talk.
They remind me too much of Answers remixes (yes I know the Alex song has a brief remix part too). I really like how the Alex song is more original sounding that your typical epic boss track.
Maybe I was a little too harsh, Odyssey is way better track than Faust theme. I just like the variety on the Alex boss themes compared to Coil.
Also, I still love Gobs even though I exp'ed them to death. Too many hilarious trains of death with them.
SaintGalgo
Member
Last year's faire was the best one imo. It had uh... "minigames" and such. It was fun. I haven't spent a lot of time with the event FATES
(contacts!)