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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT| The Midas Touch
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cultureculture
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Jumbled thoughts incoming.
Leaving the topic of openers to one side, four F4 and one Fire 1 are the absolute basics of it. F4x2 F1 F4x2 is more typical as it's easier to squeeze in procs on your first and third rotations, but you can play it by ear, for example if you know you need to cast F4 > F1 before three F4s because you need to use F1's short cast time to deal with a mechanic/dodge (especially if you've sharpcasted it and know you've got a Firestarter to keep you going for sustained movement).
You're right that the rotation is quite strict, and predicting movement is really the best way to deal with it. Sharpcast and Swiftcast are your greatest friends in the world. Completely arbitrary example where you might need to dump an AOE away from the party and then come back for group heals:
Sprint > Sharpcast > Fire 3 > Fire > Fire 4 > Fire 4 > Firestarter while running > Fire 4 > Fire 4 > Blizzard 3 > Aetherial Manipulation > Blizzard 4 (swiftcast if time is tight)
Ley Lines is really great - if you know you can dodge something while staying in Ley Lines, it gives you just a little more room to move without dropping your stacks. If you're in the habit of standing bang in the middle of it, get used to going right to the edge of it so that you can cross the whole thing to move, or easily step out to bait a predictable AOE.
For reapplying Enochian after 25 seconds, typically you'd let it run out after your third Blizzard 3, then recast Enochian at the start of your next Fire rotation. (Enochian -> Blizz 4 refresh -> Blizz 4 refresh -> Enochian)
If you're coming to the end of a phase of a fight and you're on your 20 second Enochian rotation, but you still have something to attack, you have two options: let it drop off if you don't need Fire 4s (to avoid wasting a new Enochian and most likely losing it during downtime), or do a shorter rotation and step into the strange world of 15 second Enochian. I am not a mathematician so I don't know which is better, and I just play it by ear (e.g. 'Do I really need to swiftcast a Fire 4 on this thing at the last second and maybe pray for a crit?'). Maybe someone else can share some insight here. I wing it quite a lot.
Aikaal's guide on the OF is really good for information about possible rotations etc, but I think it takes a good deal of practice to get used to Enochian so that you can add instinct (e.g. knowing your timers without looking, knowing what you can budget into x seconds, etc.) to the strategy you're using. It makes the class very satisfying and engaging to play.
Edit: Looking this over, I probably could have just said 'It's more like a priority system than a rotation.'
Probably the best way to fix the raids is to add an additional fight and ease up the difficulty more gradually. If say, the first three fights are just above FCOB difficulty,the fourth is somewhere between FCOB and Savage Difficulty, and the last fight is the only fight that is truly Savage level, I don't think people would be nearly as frustrated. First, this gives players of intermediate skill more fights at their natural skill level before they hit a potential brick wall. Second, it gives the developers more opportunities to prepare players and to get them accustomed to working together. Finally, there's the psychological aspect. A lot of people I've talked to have had a hard time finding motivation for A3S, because they know there's another fight behind it of similar difficulty. It's simply easier for people to rally to the occasion near the end of a raid, then in the middle of it.
That said, normal mode should be just a bit more difficult as well. Not dramatically so, but making it too easy doesn't really do anything to prepare players for the real raid, if they decide they want to participate.
That said, normal mode should be just a bit more difficult as well. Not dramatically so, but making it too easy doesn't really do anything to prepare players for the real raid, if they decide they want to participate.
tiggerkiddo
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At least make Alex Normal a tad harder. I'm tired of seeing Alex 1 runs where one dps can do the work of 3.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Paladin was a mistake.
It's nothing but trash.
It's nothing but trash.
Definitely agree. Normal Alex should be roughly as difficult as the original HM primals, with adjustments upward to compensate for more players knowing how to play. That might not sound like much, but it was a long time before you could DF the original three primals and have a reasonable expectation of clearing them in a few attemps. Conversely, Alexander Normal could be cleared with a duty finder group within a few days, only A4N really needed a degree of caution.
Additionally, the drop system should be changed for 2nd Alexander Normal mode. The drop system for the first one required considerable farming and turned already easy trials into a chore quickly. Instead they should just have a normal drop system complimented by weekly tokens.
Is anyone even really playing verminion? If so, will they be a month from now?
We use Paladin in A2 and A3 and it's amazing.
Altered Juice
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irfaanator
Banned
red cheating on coco. rip
Doesn't this describe the Golden Saucer in general?
There's some neat stuff in there but after a month that place was dead.
Hence my amazement that people could afford Gold Dance so soon
It could. I haven't kept up with Verminion too much so I don't know how popular it is. Doesn't seem like people are talking about it too much. If it really isn't that popular it's kind of a shame considering how much effort went into it.
Crazy people been grinding out MGP forever. I'm sitting on 100k and all I ever do is mini-cacpot. Anyone who puts at least some effort into it is going to have a lot more than that.
tiggerkiddo
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Only know of a handful who bother with LoV. Most don't even acknowledge it exists.
They put a lot of effort into the game, but the tournament system is broken. So I think that's a huge deterrent for New people to come in, and the only people you see now are the people that legitmately love the minigame and the gold saucer veterans.
My girlfriend has been pretty bored of the game lately, so she hit Verminion pretty hard when it came out. Now she's one of the only people on our server that plays it regularly (and I play on Balmung) and whenever newbies come in, she just stomps em because they don't know how to play and then the newbies get frustrated and leave, never to return. When tournaments come around, people boost their wins, and people with low RP have a distinct advantage over people that play consistently. Even if you have a bunch of wins in the tourney, you might not even place well. If you are a low ranked player and pay a high ranked player to boost you up, you can place in the top ten easily. The system just doesn't work.
Honestly, they shouldn't add anymore side games. I'm sorry but they hardly have the resources to tune and balance the side games they have now. I know they want to give people stuff on the side to do, but I'd rather they just put more resources into the games and systems they already have rather then just adding more and more.
Placing has no real bearing on how much MGP you get though, it's just based on wins. I do agree that the scoring is complete bullshit (I lose a bunch on purpose in between tournaments to knock my score back down to 1000) but it's not actually have a drastic effect.
Unknown Soldier
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The best part about this is people actually claim that Koji-Fox actually has some say in the script or helps write it, which he doesn't. The story and script are written entirely by JP main scenario writer Kazutoyo Maehiro and then translated and localized by the 3 teams which handle EN, DE, and FR. The uproar over the piss-poor translation of Midgardsormr's conversation in Keeper of the Lake wasn't just an isolated incident.
I notice that while Middawg didn't have that much to say in the expac, his translation was much better than it was in KotL. If nothing else does, at least a nice therapeutic yelling at Koji-Fox and his team delivered by Yoshi seems to get him back in line. And we know Koji-Fox can understand everything that Yoshi says.
It's a LOT of MGP for not much work. I'll keep playing just for that.
Not quite as fun as I'd hoped but it's something to do for a bit.
There's definitely more uneasiness in the Japanese community about the current tier, talks of statics disbanding, wastefulness of Savage Alexander, and all that. JP aren't gods that get things done that much better, despite what some might try to have you believe.
As for UI addons, anybody expecting them at this point is probably delusional because if they had to remove elements from the current UI to fit in the TP bars, then what do you expect from them, a fully functional API? PS3limitations are 2 stronk, guys.
As for UI addons, anybody expecting them at this point is probably delusional because if they had to remove elements from the current UI to fit in the TP bars, then what do you expect from them, a fully functional API? PS3limitations are 2 stronk, guys.
Oh, I certainly believe that. There might be slightly better social cohesion in Japan because, reasons, but the same factors that make Alexander a strain for the NA and Euro crowd hold true over there.
As for the UI addons, I'm kinda expecting them around the same time PS3 support is dropped, to be honest. The team that did the PS4 port and the DX11 variant are probably working on that now.
Granted, the UI addon is probably less work, but I'm guessing that it could be entirely finished and they probably still wouldn't release it until PS3 support is dropped.
Critical Elk
Neo Member
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...to-Exploratory-Missions?p=3448736#post3448736
RIP tri island. We knew thee well.
RIP tri island. We knew thee well.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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I'm only being partly sarcastic.
Most of the time it doesn't bother me but I eventually start thinking about how it would be great if they could make more changes to PLD so that they would be more fun to play.
Adding in active elements like the new Shield Swipe change is something that I like but I want to see more of it.
TastyOreoFriend
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All I got from that was: "Please understand" the post.
All they seem to be able to do anymore is "monitor" or "watch" the "situation". Watching is one thing but if that never turns into better patches and balance its really just dust in the wind.
And I loved his solution to dealing with dicks who wander off on their own:
As if people aren't already doing that, and its not any better either. People still wander off to do their own shit at some point.
Thanks for this. Its helpful enough that I'm on the right track. I've moved to F4x2 F1x1 F4x2 B3. I don't think I have the spell speed at the moment for F4 > F1 > F4x3 anyway.
I knew this was coming, but I'm surprised it's happening so soon.
Aaaaanyhow, i overall support this, because sitting in one spot and zerging mobs with eight other parties is indeed a bit boring. Sure, people will have to work harder for good Diadem gear, but people should expect to work for 210 gear at this point.
Also, this announcement is driving Reddit batty. It's almost amusing actually.
I don't really understand. So to get rid of camping they'll be rebalancing so groups can move around but can still camp anyways?
Mhachi Farthings say hi.
I'm okay with them encouraging going on the move around the Diadem. That's how it always should have been. I won't be okay with them nerfing the loot though. So far for me a good hard mode group can get around 9 NM kills. That's around 10-11 210 pieces, and most of them will be garbage. So maybe getting a possible upgrade for 1 or 2 people in the party. Is that really too fast? I feel like the RNG nature of the loot solves the problem itself.
I've actually really enjoyed the Diadem, it's content that my entire FC can get behind. We have a lot of casual players and a smaller amount of players that are more hardcore, and there was a divide between them as it was hard to get the hardcore players to play with the more casual ones. Now Diadem brings us all together and we can progress our characters as a group, as well as everyone getting to know each other and becoming better friends. So now when I make events for more complex content like Thordan, people are more willing to work together and try to get better as a Free Company. Diadem has done a lot of good for me. If they nerf the loot people will get burned out way faster and I fear it'll be rare to get people to go for a Diadem run if it's not worth it.
My read on this.
Mobs won't respawn as quickly, so if you want to zerg down a bunch of low level mobs to spawn a Star Rank, you'll need to move around more.
I'm guessing that they're also adjusting it so killing higher level mobs has a higher chance of spawning a Star Rank, so two or three parties may not need to move much if they're only going after high ranking mobs.
PS: The farthing are gate locked, and you need to do time farming to get the tomes in the first place. So it at least takes considerable time, if not considerable work.
Also, I don't think they're actually reducing how often gold chests drop, I think they're just making it a bit more difficult to zerg down 500 low ranking monsters to spawn 20 to 40 chests per session. And yes, I have heard of some groups managing that.
I'd say the effort needed to bop EXDR a couple times a week with DF-level DPS, and then a 24-man you can easily AFK through, is comparable to if not exceeded by the effort needed to set up a good Diadem group that can secure credit, not to mention the repetition needed to RNG into useable drops.
But it doesn't really matter cause we're in catch-up phase anyways.
Critical Elk
Neo Member
If you think the diadem does not take "considerable time" to get gear that is not potato, I don't think you have spent much time in the diadem. Please enjoy 210 vit earrings with +11 crit that no one wants
In 100+ nm's, I have gotten one hat that is ~10 secondaries over the cap. The other assorted pieces I have gotten have had 20 or more secondaries short of the cap. The other items were lost to either bookey or asami.
If we assume ~10 chests per diaden on average (it's less) that's 10, or 15 hours of straight farming.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Zzz Diadem, would rather bash my head against Alex Savage instead.
I get what you're saying, but again, I'm hearing stories of people getting a LOT, more gold chests per run then ten using the island zerging method.
Plus, the island zerging method is kinda boring. Sure, shooting the breeze with people you like can make it fun, but it's still extremely repetitive. Anything that made it even slightly less repetitive was going to make farming less effective however. Personally, I find that to be a worthwhile trade off.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...es-(Nov.-24)?p=3449020&viewfull=1#post3449020
There's other stuff I guess but these seem to be the big ones.
There's other stuff I guess but these seem to be the big ones.
SliceSabre
Banned
Yay they hopefully fixed the Duty Finder!
Taking 30 minutes to get in EX Roulette as a healer was absurd. Had a friend last night was in Ex roulette as a healer and I ran 4 dungeons in that same period of time as a dps before her queue finally popped.
Taking 30 minutes to get in EX Roulette as a healer was absurd. Had a friend last night was in Ex roulette as a healer and I ran 4 dungeons in that same period of time as a dps before her queue finally popped.
Pretty much. Been in there several times and only gotten one decent item and a bunch of junk.
I apologize.
But yeah, as much as I have been in diadem, I've only gotten 3 pieces and countless countless junk.
Edit: By the way, any word yet if this hot fix actually did anything to diadem? I know that they have it in the notes but when I checked reddit this morning, I didn't see any bitching.
I only see good aiming loot drop when no BRDs or MCHs are in the party!
I wonder if the hotfix makes it so that a 2nd set of fresh tracks is iffy to fit in under 90 minutes. Reduced amount of gold treasure chests for the same level of boredom!
Felix! We need an official spot for our no-fly list.
SliceSabre
Banned
Every piece of Diadem loot I've gotten that was good was for a class I do not play.
We like PLD specifically for A3S because they can just HG through adds phase tethers. That's pretty much it lol.
But anecdotal evidence of 40 gold chests a run! Clearly they're just closing a loophole.
I hear people getting more than 10 all the time!
Yeah Nuadha, the number is 11-14, ooooooooo so scary. I'm glad that 8 of those are wrist accessories with +6 accuracy on them.
Give Waterman a chance to drop a Diadem chest on wipe, chance of gold going up depending on length of time in the fight. 50% chance of a gold chest on wipe deep in P4 or something. Hell, do it for every floor in Savage. Just incentivize people doing things other than spamming Diadem. At least a Diadem run with no good loot nets turn-ins that can be used for other things; other stuff is more binary success/fail and should be reevaluated in our post-Diadem world.
Need those spoils for 3.2 anyway.
The entire fight design/mechanics/everything is just not fun.
The entire fight design/mechanics/everything is just not fun.
SliceSabre
Banned
I watched Kagari do Thordan Ex last night and her group failed each time while I was watching.
You were supposed to be my FFXIV hero Kagari.
You were supposed to be my FFXIV hero Kagari.