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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT| The Midas Touch
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People like you make me want to keep my house forever no matter how much it will cost
Or sell my house on the open market, I have waterfront property. Somebody would buy it.
Okay
First impression of the grind is that it probably isn't as bad as most people think it's going to be. Granted this is in part because I had a lot of resources stored up to begin with, but I was able to get a half a floor worth of tokens today, and I think I can manage 2-3 tokens a day more without straining TOO much. So, it's a bit bigger then many of the previous grinds, but it's not going to take months and months like I've heard some people saying.
That is of course, unless there's some sort of curve ball I'm not seeing.
PS: The hardest floor to knock out I think is going to be A2N. That floor tends to try my patience to begin with, is hard to spam with all those trash mobs before you even get to the Mob-Rush, aaaaand I don't have the Vanu Vanu dailies unlocked yet so there's that. I'll probably try to whittle it down with poetics while I tackle the other floors first.
First impression of the grind is that it probably isn't as bad as most people think it's going to be. Granted this is in part because I had a lot of resources stored up to begin with, but I was able to get a half a floor worth of tokens today, and I think I can manage 2-3 tokens a day more without straining TOO much. So, it's a bit bigger then many of the previous grinds, but it's not going to take months and months like I've heard some people saying.
That is of course, unless there's some sort of curve ball I'm not seeing.
PS: The hardest floor to knock out I think is going to be A2N. That floor tends to try my patience to begin with, is hard to spam with all those trash mobs before you even get to the Mob-Rush, aaaaand I don't have the Vanu Vanu dailies unlocked yet so there's that. I'll probably try to whittle it down with poetics while I tackle the other floors first.
The grind is much more annoying then books or Novus. I actually didn't mind the book grind as you saw visual progress constantly and you had a bunch of variety.
My issue with these grinds is just the lack of variety. If you want to ensure people don't complete these grinds too fast and keep coming back, then time lock them. Don't force people to run the same boring content all the time.
Actually that's my issue with the game in general but no point belaying that anymore, just nice to see more and more people start being on my side.
I'm in the "Your game is nice and I like it, but you can do better things from other games too to make it a game I want to continue playing" group.
My issue with these grinds is just the lack of variety. If you want to ensure people don't complete these grinds too fast and keep coming back, then time lock them. Don't force people to run the same boring content all the time.
Actually that's my issue with the game in general but no point belaying that anymore, just nice to see more and more people start being on my side.
I'm in the "Your game is nice and I like it, but you can do better things from other games too to make it a game I want to continue playing" group.
You got 100 Precision items today?
Actually I hate time locks with a passion, I'd rather have a tangible, visible grind then being blocked because I am playing too much (or too little during a certain week long window, more 'time' based locks need to be like Guild Leves where they stack up to a certain point over time). Also I fail to see the variety issue, they basically allowed us to pick our poison how we want to complete it with a variety of ways we can do it. The biggest issue I see with the quest is a timing issue, they made the quest as if it was still designed around when 3.1 came out, that month delay should have forced them to cut down some of the steps as by the time anyone of even mild consequence gets close to finishing one, the next tier is likely to already be ready to go in 3.2 (I mean they are already going to tease 3.2 next week).
Gamer @ Heart
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It's not nearly as bad as its made out to be before I logged in. That 600± Alex comments from data mining before I logged in prepared me for the worst when the reality is no where near.
If you are doing a combination of beast dailes, map collecting and running with friends, and properly planning how you spend tomes/seals on the Alex turns you DONT want to do, you won't need to grind Alex till you are brain dead at all. People trying to treat this as garuda light farms are mad I say. Mad.
If you are doing a combination of beast dailes, map collecting and running with friends, and properly planning how you spend tomes/seals on the Alex turns you DONT want to do, you won't need to grind Alex till you are brain dead at all. People trying to treat this as garuda light farms are mad I say. Mad.
Yeah you can do everything with a controller.
People still do Frontlines as the new mode seems pretty well received. I will say it is annoying to do any alliance targeting on a controller, but that only comes up in 24-man stuff.
The grind isn't bad if you do it casually like you're describing, but you're also not getting the anima this week.
Nope, didn't even step into Alexander today. Instead I used accumulated Allied Seals, Law Tomes, and Poetics, and a bit of quick additional farming, to gather up seven Seeds and three Shells's.
As for future days, on days where I'm not raiding or whatnot, I'll do a roulette or two and use those tomes and the tomes I get from A1N to continue whittling away at A4N. There's a certain likelihood that I may not even need to step into there by the time I'm done with A1N.
PS: And yes, I know I'm not going to get it this week. Since its mostly just glamour until I have a Crack at A4S, *knocks on wood,* there's a limit to how hard I'm willing to push this time.
So I'm more concerned with keeping this an enjoyable experience this time around. Doubly so since everyone is calling this the devil XD.
Ultros GAF FC stuff:
Hey just wanted to give people in the FC a heads up that the Back on Your Feet II (Weakness) FC buff will be going up again today (and probably again on Saturday and Monday) around 9pm to 12am EST. If any one is wondering why it's been on so frequently in the last week, it's cause one of the statics in the FC requires it to for their A4S strategy to work.
Since the buff will only be up for 3 hours max I'm thinking it might make a bit more sense to take off Reduced Rates 2 for the duration so we can have Weakness+Other buff instead of Weakness+Reduced Rates for possibly 3 nights again this week. Any thoughts or objections to this?
Hey just wanted to give people in the FC a heads up that the Back on Your Feet II (Weakness) FC buff will be going up again today (and probably again on Saturday and Monday) around 9pm to 12am EST. If any one is wondering why it's been on so frequently in the last week, it's cause one of the statics in the FC requires it to for their A4S strategy to work.
Since the buff will only be up for 3 hours max I'm thinking it might make a bit more sense to take off Reduced Rates 2 for the duration so we can have Weakness+Other buff instead of Weakness+Reduced Rates for possibly 3 nights again this week. Any thoughts or objections to this?
It's gotten progressively worse but this game and what sounds like other MMOs go through this normal ebb and flow. I still think they are losing more then they are gaining with each patch and the next expansion unless a serious change in content design, may turn FFXIV from a raging success to a maintenance MMO with diminishing returns.
I'm a bit more doom and gloom then everyone else though. I'm not angry about it, just disappointed they don't seem to understand the issues people like me have, because outside of them, it's a fantastic game.
Well, there was the personal housing fiasco but that obviously impacts a more niche segment of the population.
I think it's just an accumulation of all the negativity from the past few updates (Gordias Savage, patch delay, Diadem nerfs, 2 dungeon EXDR cycle, LoV acceptance) with this being the "last straw" for some people. It's pretty rough times and I do hope the developers quickly figure out how to make things better again.
Pyros_Eien
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Got linked the new relic post stuff and to be honest it feels like they took everything people hated about the first relic, and then they used that to design the new one, instead of like, doing the contrary. Like Atmas really? Crafted items? Especially with crafting being in the weird state it is(I assume, haven't played in a while, but when I quit it was pretty bad). Not sure how it is now but wouldn't specialized HQ crafts using diadem mats be like 1-2millions each? And you need 16?
And the rest of the grind is super heavy from the looks of it. The positive thing is you can grind in a variety of ways to get your stuff, beast tribes daillies, pvp, random dungeon running, maps, hunts and so on, so that's nice instead of being forced into one activity, but the numbers looked pretty high.
It really seems poorly designed, and feels like they really didn't learn anything about the first relic. So I could see how people could be annoyed. Also people annoyed in general at the game I assume, have seen a few friends mention they feel Heavensward has been a letdown in terms of content(both at launch and in 3.1). I thought it was really cool, but I also only played for a bit and took a break like a month a half after the release.
That said Reddit often goes all negative at times for whatever reason, but a few changes can generally turn it all the way around, so I wouldn't put too much weight into it.
I think I've enjoyed my time with Heavensward so far but I also won't deny it's pretty thin given that the only things I've really done for the majority of it is Savage, learn new jobs, and cap Esoterics twice per week. The social component like FC and friends helps a lot too.
It's also the first MMO I've stuck with long enough to see its first expansion.
It's also the first MMO I've stuck with long enough to see its first expansion.
Yeah, recently people have been pretty negative on the latest patches and Heavensward as a whole. And it's a shame that the devs aren't handling things the best way, because I fucking love this game and would like to continue playing it for years, but a healthy community is a must for this to happen.
I mean, I know the game won't die because of the new Relic, but if the following patches still continue to disappoint people like this, it can damage things on the long run.
And I definitely agree that this grind needed new stuff specific for the grind, not just mindlessly grinding old content.
I mean, I know the game won't die because of the new Relic, but if the following patches still continue to disappoint people like this, it can damage things on the long run.
And I definitely agree that this grind needed new stuff specific for the grind, not just mindlessly grinding old content.
Does this mean this is going to become a thing until 3.2?
It's definitely the angriest I've ever seen the community. I agree with others that the Relic stuff is really a straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back situation; people have been disappointed in the new content and losing interest for months. Alex Savage killed a lot of raid groups, only two dungeons for EX roulette is causing a lot of burnout on doing dailies, new dungeons in general are just corridors with bosses in between, Lord of Verminion was a giant waste of dev time, WM drove a lot of BRDs away, Diadem turned out to just be a Dino Island farmfest, Void Ark is just Crystal Tower 4, red scrips fucked crafting, PLDs got fucked by Alex Savage design... it's a death by a thousand cuts situation. And then, with players already getting burned out, the next piece of content they put out ends up being the most unrewarding, tedious grind the game has ever seen.
SliceSabre
Banned
I blame the vacation they all took for thinness and unoriginal thought behind what little content we've gotten in the patches.
Making players grind on old content 200 times is probably a whole lot easier to make then thinking of unique fighting scenarios and instances. Alexander Savage being so hard that only the most dedicated raiders being able to beat it sure isn't helping. Least Coil felt like something that could be beaten by a larger population of the community.
Making players grind on old content 200 times is probably a whole lot easier to make then thinking of unique fighting scenarios and instances. Alexander Savage being so hard that only the most dedicated raiders being able to beat it sure isn't helping. Least Coil felt like something that could be beaten by a larger population of the community.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
-Yes the grinding is an issue
-Yes it's extremely lazy/bad for recycling the Esoterics Weapon Model
But my personal issues with this Anima Relic Weapon is two fold!
1-I have to touch pieces of content that me and a sizeable amount of the community have avoided simply because there's no ROI imo in order to grind this out in a timely fashion.That is of course Alexander Normal** and Expeditions* respectively.
**From the get go Alexander Normal was dead on arrival to alot of us.That content was released 1 month after 3.0 came out and it allowed you to get iLv 190 Equipment.The issue for alot of us thou is that just two weeks later after that the Esoterics Tomes would be implemented which allowed you to get iLv 200 Gear so why bother with Alexander Normal than?So I skipped it.
*Expeditions/Diadam are a fun distraction with the potential of yielding some great rewards. But the issue was that the gear stats there is alwaysed randomized so it all depends on if Lady Luck had any reason to bless you with good drops or not and I simply decided to skip it.
So here I'm now being forced into doing those two things for my Relic Weapon and of course thiSeriouslyas implemented that way because apparently I wasn't the only one to skip those things it was abandoned too quickly.
The irony..
2-I once again have to bend over backwards to crafters for the HQ Recipes that are needed because I'm apparently being punished for not leveling my crafters classes.
Seriously WTF not only are they specialization Recipes but I need 4 copies of each one and a single Kingcake HQ is going for 11,000,000 Gill on my server? You crafters are the bane of my existence!
-Yes it's extremely lazy/bad for recycling the Esoterics Weapon Model
But my personal issues with this Anima Relic Weapon is two fold!
1-I have to touch pieces of content that me and a sizeable amount of the community have avoided simply because there's no ROI imo in order to grind this out in a timely fashion.That is of course Alexander Normal** and Expeditions* respectively.
**From the get go Alexander Normal was dead on arrival to alot of us.That content was released 1 month after 3.0 came out and it allowed you to get iLv 190 Equipment.The issue for alot of us thou is that just two weeks later after that the Esoterics Tomes would be implemented which allowed you to get iLv 200 Gear so why bother with Alexander Normal than?So I skipped it.
*Expeditions/Diadam are a fun distraction with the potential of yielding some great rewards. But the issue was that the gear stats there is alwaysed randomized so it all depends on if Lady Luck had any reason to bless you with good drops or not and I simply decided to skip it.
So here I'm now being forced into doing those two things for my Relic Weapon and of course thiSeriouslyas implemented that way because apparently I wasn't the only one to skip those things it was abandoned too quickly.
The irony..
2-I once again have to bend over backwards to crafters for the HQ Recipes that are needed because I'm apparently being punished for not leveling my crafters classes.
Seriously WTF not only are they specialization Recipes but I need 4 copies of each one and a single Kingcake HQ is going for 11,000,000 Gill on my server? You crafters are the bane of my existence!
I thought Heavensward was amazing and was really looking forward to them building on top of that but it doesn't feel like the wealth of new content we were getting during ARR is arriving. And what there is seems like they are trying to stretch it out as far as possible. Why wasn't this relic launched with the rest of the patch? Diadem feels half finished. New dungeons cut down from three to two. I still enjoy the game a lot when I log in but it's hard to escape the feeling that it's not really moving forward with the momentum it had before.
Fair enough if you did not like Alex normal but I can tell you that it definitely has not been abandoned by players. Just last week DF groups for Alex normal fill up in a few minutes and I can be in there almost straight away as a DPS.
Without getting into the fact that I despise the new relic steps, I did create a basic spreadsheet to show the item requirements for it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pkkhGvOhL13U-SSPI-BXvxN8aJ2HBhxgryr9RoaNVWM/edit?usp=sharing
Since I'm a noob at Google Spreadsheet, anyone can currently edit the 'tokens desired' column and this information is shared globally (meaning someone can edit your numbers). As such I suggest you copy or download the spreadsheet to ensure you have your own version to mess with.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pkkhGvOhL13U-SSPI-BXvxN8aJ2HBhxgryr9RoaNVWM/edit?usp=sharing
Since I'm a noob at Google Spreadsheet, anyone can currently edit the 'tokens desired' column and this information is shared globally (meaning someone can edit your numbers). As such I suggest you copy or download the spreadsheet to ensure you have your own version to mess with.
According to one of my FC members you can.
Oh wow. This is amazing. Thanks for this.
I hope they get their shit together for 3.2. What could they possibly do now to repair a little bit of the damage? Reduce the number of unidentifiable items needed? Make the crafted recipes not specialist?
There's a post in reddit with the "If it isn't fun, you're doing it wrong" image with almost a thousand upvotes. I wonder if the devs will address it somehow in the next few days...
There's a post in reddit with the "If it isn't fun, you're doing it wrong" image with almost a thousand upvotes. I wonder if the devs will address it somehow in the next few days...
I haven't done Alex normal in awhile. What's the consensus on the worst/most annoying/most tedious to do with pugs? Conversely what's the fastest? thanks
^^Tiops on the other hand Ultros is more active then I've seen it since the expansion dropped. There were 22 pf's up last night, usually you see 9.
^^Tiops on the other hand Ultros is more active then I've seen it since the expansion dropped. There were 22 pf's up last night, usually you see 9.
Hmmm... to my memory every brand new relic step has been accompanied by a lot of complaining but they have never nerfed it until much later when the new step comes out. This time might be different so we'll see.
Honestly looking at that spreadsheet it doesn't seem too bad if you mix it up. I think I have about 3K allied seals on my character and maxed out Law so I guess I'm at 5/80 without even doing anything.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
I don't like PVP and I have no interest in it but I would strongly prefer it over having to buy bank breaking melds from crafters.
Yea I don't mean making it a requirement, just an other option. Like maybe being able to buy tokens with wolf marks or something.
I would stay away from A4 since it seems to have a good possibility of the run failing. I've been trying to get the DRG body from there and it's hit or miss if you get a clear. A2 is super quick in my experience but I haven't done it in a while.
Wait until you're almost done to buy that stuff. It's most definitely going to go down in price. It has been said before but the new recipes aren't hard to craft, they aren't expensive (at all) and they don't even require a lot of gear. They're only expensive because they're gated by a specialist requirement for the 4 least popular crafts. Even the mats from diadem are very easy to get for anyone who's willing (I've been duoing Diadem HM as DoLs whenever I've needed a quick 40 eso the last few weeks) and don't require an unreasonable amount of gear. You won't be finished with your relic grind for some time anyway.
xxczx
Member
If they added 50 Poetic reward to Seal Rock, 72 matches alllllllll day.
I'm not even going to bother with the crafted items yet. When I have all the 80 items (ugh) I'll probably have my 3 specialists at 60 and my wife will have hers too, needing only 2 other crafts that I can find in my FC. Not willing to spend millions on this (I don't even have millions, anyway).
Possibly. The first group is gonna need it for their weekly clear and there's other groups who have recently cleared A3S or are on the verge of it who will probably want to try the same strategy.
Yeah spending gil right now for them makes no sense considering how long of a grind the other half of that step is.
DarknessTear
Banned
The idea of removing reduced rates is pure sin. RIP FFXIV
That would've been a good idea.
irfaanator
Banned
be there today carrying me through 3.1
EndcatOmega
Unconfirmed Member
It was me Yoshi!
It was me all along, Yoshi!
It was me all along, Yoshi!
Yoshi-P was supposed to bring balance to Final Fantasy, not leave it in darkness!
Imagine Wagons
Member
I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I really don't see a reason to log on these days other than to not have my house foreclosed but surely they will have a nice batch of content coming in the future.
Right guys? Surely this is just a one-off thing. The only other thing that I can think of is that making content for this game is much harder than I thought and that things like LoV were huge misses that set them back months.
Think part of the problem is they plan content so far out ahead that they can't just stop their plans in mid development and go back and 'rethink' the whole plan entirely. In addition to this issue they had 1-2 month delay due in part because of the vacation he gave his development team which stretched an already demonized content tier. It sounds like they are at minimum rebalancing/changing itemization steps in 3.2 with the changes to materia and increasing the ilvl for crafting goods (relative to the highest available item) which alone should add some variety to the games content. But at this point unless it was already in the pipeline before 3.0 released I doubt we are going to see any 'fruits' of our complaints till 3.4 and the lead up to the next expansion. They have to build content pipelines, if nothing else but for asset creation, months in advance so they can't just suddenly stop and 'add' a bunch of content because of the complaints. The best we can hope for is balance adjustments for the content and maybe itemization. What we should hope for, is Diadem was not the ONLY new battle content type they had planned for this expansion and that something else they hadnt discuss or talked about much is still coming (remember they talked about airship battles at one time?)