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[studyguy]

You mean people don't lead with Fracture and follow up w/ Fracture?


The only time I can ever see leading with Provoke as a thing is when you absolutely need to force the mob to walk to you for however long the second is before the server tick goes off and it walks away from you. Beyond that kek. Then again I remember doing Stone Vigil with a tank that only did Rage of Halone so.....

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Those situations I can understand, but these people were not using shield lob or tomahawk at all not just when leading out.

Yeah haha, it's definitely situational but I'm just saying that leveling a non-Tank job for the first time, I'm seeing a bunch of tanks just provoke and expect that to hold hate.

 

[Frumix]

Very excited for WoD, that armor looks baller and I want to see what the story will pan out with.

The soundtrack! The soundtrack!!

 

[retrogamer84]

Oh I absolutely agree on that. There were so many in the last 2 weeks that I started to wonder if it was some new technique lol. Especially since I already don't have much confidence in my tanking ability.

 

[yaffi]

Okay, what about conjurers in level 50 dungeons?

 

[scy]

Those situations I can understand, but these people were not using shield lob or tomahawk at all not just when leading out.

Just to clarify something, you should pretty much never use Shield Lob / Tomahawk outside of the pull. It really is a terrible skill.

The only time I can ever see leading with Provoke as a thing is when you absolutely need to force the mob to walk to you for however long the second is before the server tick goes off and it walks away from you.

I Provoke pull pretty often simply because it means I pull a pack 1-2 seconds earlier than I would if I pulled it with Shield Lob. When doing speedrun pulls, I'll Provoke the last group to avoid a few hits as well when I break off to round up the mobs. Pulling from a longer range has quite a few uses.

Honestly, tanks that never pull with Provoke are just as bad as the ones who just always facepull.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

Our group finally got 11 down last night thank god. with the whole group there for the first time in weeks.

To be honest, seeing 2 weeks of GARF runs made me feel legit bad. You want to take part but know you cant.

 

[Jayhawk]

I spam Shield Lob when I want to Captain America it up.

 

[retrogamer84]

I definitely only use shield lob/tomahawk on pulls, no reason to use them otherwise. I have yet to try provoke on a pull, but I am still only lvl 31 on both WAR and PLD so I don't have much experience yet.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

I definitely only use shield lob/tomahawk on pulls, no reason to use them otherwise. I have yet to try provoke on a pull, but I am still only lvl 31 on both WAR and PLD so I don't have much experience yet.

The only time you should ever Provoke on a pull is if your target is to far to lob safety and you dont want to pull everyone around your target. That is very rare though since most groups are linked and wanderers are few.

 

[studyguy]

The real way to provoke pull is to smash they key the put the bongo <se> in a macro with it so you hear nothing but bongos for a few seconds. Gotta make sure everyone knows you hit your provoke key. In fact you should put bongos on all your skills.

 

[yaffi]

The real way to provoke pull is to smash they key the put the bongo <se> in a macro with it so you hear nothing but bongos for a few seconds. Gotta make sure everyone knows you hit your provoke key. In fact you should put bongos on all your skills.

So that everyone knows you're the King of the Bongo (Bong).

 

[Valor]

Honestly, tanks that never pull with Provoke are just as bad as the ones who just always facepull.

Adding on to this:

If we're doing a slower run, I'll grab a normal group of enemies and voke over another set or so once the herd is thinned. Also, voke is useful for grabbing patrol enemies, especially in places like Aurum Vale or Stone Vigil, where patrolling enemies can stuff your shit in if you approach them in a bad way.

 

[Jayhawk]

Old school AK: Provoke the Succubus away from the other mobs.

 

[scy]

Yeah. In most normal situations, you want to Shield Lob/Tomahawk the pull since it's an actual spike in aggro. Provoke fills niches where the extra range comes in handy. Like I said earlier, my most common use of it is probably when doing big pulls in dungeons. For instance, Qarn HM, the first pull I'll grab the first two groups normally and Provoke to tag the Qarn Facer that is slightly out of range instead of running into range to get him; likewise, the last pull of the dungeon is to Provoke one side and then Shield Lob the other to pull them both at roughly the same time.

There's also some niche coil uses of a Provoke before any threat moves when it comes to adds but that's mostly to just be the first thing to tag the mob so it blows it's first queued attack on you. You can sort of do the same with timing popping a buff right when it spawns but it's significantly easier to just Provoke it the moment it becomes targetable.

 

[LiQuid!]

I'm trying to level up my gladiator and it's so hard. They don't feel as capable as mrd at low levels and I've found myself raging at noobs a lot for failing to attack the same target as everybody else even when I go out of my way to mark an order (which is so much work for such easy dungeons IMO). I'm not a rager you guys (not counting raging at RNG while crafting) but something about playing this class is frustrating. I can spam flash until I'm out of MP at the start of every fight and someone always manages to find a way to pull agro off me, and then I'm the one that looks like an idiot...

 

[retrogamer84]

Gladiator was definitely harder to level for me than MRD. It did get significantly better for me once I got Rage of Halone, but it seems like I will have to wait for shield oath for it to really catch up to my Warrior.

 

[scy]

Personally, I rarely lost aggro when playing either Gladiator or Marauder at low levels. Even with split damage, you can out threat them with Flash and buying time with stuns. Is your gear up to date? Flash is pretty much Overpower now (discounting critting Overpower and minor healing threat with Bloodbath going) so not having the best weapon for the level range will cause the main problems, not any inherent difference between the two skills.

 

[studyguy]

Shield Oath/CoS/Flash post buff feels monumentally stronger than WAR in terms of holding aggro. Snap group aggro still feels like WAR but PLD clings on to mobs like fucking glue.

 

[iammeiam]

I'm trying to level up my gladiator and it's so hard. They don't feel as capable as mrd at low levels and I've found myself raging at noobs a lot for failing to attack the same target as everybody else even when I go out of my way to mark an order (which is so much work for such easy dungeons IMO). I'm not a rager you guys (not counting raging at RNG while crafting) but something about playing this class is frustrating. I can spam flash until I'm out of MP at the start of every fight and someone always manages to find a way to pull agro off me, and then I'm the one that looks like an idiot...

Low level gladiator sucked until Halone, at which point it got a lot easier for me. A lot of people make a big thing out of not getting Shield Oath until 40 but I had much bigger issues keeping threat lead with 1-2 in Halatali than with 1-2-3 in Sword Oath in Bray.

I may have also let DPS that couldn't follow marking orders get eaten for a while, because pre-Halone I absolutely could not keep up with two level-synced ninjas going all out on separate targets. As long as you're not losing hate to the healer I think you're fine?

 

[studyguy]

Lmao, they're putting Ifrit's theme in as a FFTheat: Curtain Call DLC.
Ifrit's theme of all songs! Why?! Such a boring track.

 

[scy]

Shield Oath/CoS/Flash post buff feels monumentally stronger than WAR in terms of holding aggro. Snap group aggro still feels like WAR but PLD clings on to mobs like fucking glue.

In my experience from hunts, Snap Aggro from zero is better on Paladin but threat generation ramps faster for Warrior. It's really hard to beat a Paladin's two oGCDs for initial threat. By around 5 or so GCDs in, Warrior should start overtaking it.

Given prepping GCDs and so on, WAR > PLD.

Low level gladiator sucked until Halone, at which point it got a lot easier for me. A lot of people make a big thing out of not getting Shield Oath until 40 but I had much bigger issues keeping threat lead with 1-2 in Halatali than with 1-2-3 in Sword Oath in Bray.

Halatali came to mind as the worst dungeon. No Halone means you're generating 1.5x Enmity per GCD compared to the DPS. This is the worst place to deal with split DPS or Bards/BLMs unloading everything on the pull and you'll basically rely on generating threat on one target (the one being killed slower in the case of split damage), stun locking the one dying, and hoping Flashes at the start work for mobs 3+ not eating the Healer.

 

[retrogamer84]

I hope you are right about Bray, cause tanking that dungeon terrifies me . I had a disastrous first run there as a Bard, and it seems to be a real tank check. I think I will try leveling to the max before the sync kicks in to help out a little.

 

[LiQuid!]

Low level gladiator sucked until Halone, at which point it got a lot easier for me. A lot of people make a big thing out of not getting Shield Oath until 40 but I had much bigger issues keeping threat lead with 1-2 in Halatali than with 1-2-3 in Sword Oath in Bray.

I may have also let DPS that couldn't follow marking orders get eaten for a while, because pre-Halone I absolutely could not keep up with two level-synced ninjas going all out on separate targets. As long as you're not losing hate to the healer I think you're fine?

I'm in Halitali now. It's impossible. I think I am just going to give up and fate grind to 50.

 

[studyguy]

Infuriate > Cyclone a group is pretty hard to beat if you're literally trying to snap aggro in an extremely short span of time for a large group. Either way, it's come a long way from where we started in 2.0 for both tanks. Holding aggro is babies now.

They should have put Garuda's Theme in Theatrhythm, what XIV tracks to they have anyway? Titan and Answers, right?

 

[scy]

I hope you are right about Bray, cause tanking that dungeon terrifies me . I had a disastrous first run there as a Bard, and it seems to be a real tank check. I think I will try leveling to the max before the sync kicks in to help out a little.

If you have of-level gear, you'll be better off stat wise going in non-synced. Level Sync puts you in the equivalent of white gear for the level range of the dungeon.

Brayflox isn't anything special for the tank short of being well geared. The pulls are simple so basic Shield Lob -> Flashx2 -> Rotate threat combo as needed is about all you worry about there. Make good use of your cooldowns to help lower damage taken but don't just blow them all.

It's more of a tank check in how you deal with the final boss there. Healers need to pay attention to healing here which isn't really a tank concern outside of actually having tank gear on + using defensive cooldowns.

Infuriate > Cyclone a group is pretty hard to beat if you're literally trying to snap aggro in an extremely short span of time for a large group. Either way, it's come a long way from where we started in 2.0 for both tanks. Holding aggro is babies now.

Off-hand, the combined potency of Flash + Circle of Scorn (without DoT) is slightly higher than Steel Cyclone's by itself. Trying to fight against Berserk + Unchained Overpower is a lost cause, though.

 

[Flying Toaster]

Played this on the PC early 2014.. how is this on the PS4? Is it worthwhile?

 

[Trojita]

Played this on the PC early 2014.. how is this on the PS4? Is it worthwhile?

PS4 plays the game at high PC settings. Definitely worth it if you can't play on PC. I use DS4 controller on my PC to play the game.

 

[studyguy]

Played this on the PC early 2014.. how is this on the PS4? Is it worthwhile?

Really solid from what I've seen.

 

[Flying Toaster]

PS4 plays the game at high PC settings. Definitely worth it if you can't play on PC. I use DS4 controller on my PC to play the game.

Really solid from what I've seen.

Thanks! I appreciate the feedback. I loved the game from what I played back last year but never had time to get into it. I figure it would be a fun trot for a while.

 

[retrogamer84]

Yeah I definitely don't want to go in synced, since I have been keeping up with my gear to almost an extreme. I probably upgrade gear more than is necessary, but it helps to level my crafting and gathering classes up in the process. I will have to give it a go at Bray after I tank Haukke, thanks for the tips!

 

[WolvenOne]

Old school AK: Provoke the Succubus away from the other mobs.

Also WP speedruns, you can use Provoke in one area to get a distant sethe of mobs running to you while dealing wit the first set.

 

[studyguy]

Off-hand, the combined potency of Flash + Circle of Scorn (without DoT) is slightly higher than Steel Cyclone's by itself. Trying to fight against Berserk + Unchained Overpower is a lost cause, though.

Aye post buff that's most likely true now that you mention it.

Berserk Unchain is still super nuts. Unchained in general is crazy.

 

[Shamdeo]

Primal Judgment (aka spicy meatball ifrit theme) will be available as a DLC in Curtain Call on Jan 8. *u*

 

[Frumix]

Lmao, they're putting Ifrit's theme in as a FFTheat: Curtain Call DLC.
Ifrit's theme of all songs! Why?! Such a boring track.

You had one job SE.
White Raven. All you had to do.
Goddamit.

 

[dark_chris]

Believe got T11 down last night. Woohoo! =D

 

[Sorian]

Infuriate > Cyclone a group is pretty hard to beat if you're literally trying to snap aggro in an extremely short span of time for a large group. Either way, it's come a long way from where we started in 2.0 for both tanks. Holding aggro is babies now.

They should have put Garuda's Theme in Theatrhythm, what XIV tracks to they have anyway? Titan and Answers, right?

Garuda is already in, so is Moogle Mog.

 

[crazygambit]

Low level gladiator sucked until Halone, at which point it got a lot easier for me. A lot of people make a big thing out of not getting Shield Oath until 40 but I had much bigger issues keeping threat lead with 1-2 in Halatali than with 1-2-3 in Sword Oath in Bray.

I may have also let DPS that couldn't follow marking orders get eaten for a while, because pre-Halone I absolutely could not keep up with two level-synced ninjas going all out on separate targets. As long as you're not losing hate to the healer I think you're fine?

While I was leveling up Ninja I had no problem if the tank lost aggro on the mob I was wailing to. At such low levels melee DPS are almost as tough as tanks and the enemies don't hit very hard (almost like it was designed for tanks to suck), so it's really no issue if tanks lose hate up until Haukke Manor or so.

The healer might get pissed though.

 

[Wilsongt]

Lmao, they're putting Ifrit's theme in as a FFTheat: Curtain Call DLC.
Ifrit's theme of all songs! Why?! Such a boring track.

Well, considering Garuda and Titan are already there... Seems only logical.

 

[PhillipCostigan]

SO I just discovered the Fat Chocobo mount was added to the digital collector's edition for PC as well, not just PS4. Having not upgraded previously, clearly there was only one correct course of action...

THEY SEE ME ROLLIN'

 

[Rentahamster]

Fucking finally

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-or-Triple-Triad?p=51872&viewfull=1#post51872

 

[LiQuid!]

Can't get over the groups I am getting in my trek thru low level duty finder. Level 30-something Scholar in Thousand Maws, never casts a single Physick. I die like 3 times. Ask for a raise and he "can't use it in here for some reason" and it took like 3 minutes of explaining before he realized that arcanists got their own resurrection.

I am trying to remain calm people! Smiley emotes. More smiley emotes!

 

[studyguy]

Ifrit is a gross holdover of the 1.0 pre YoshiP era Soken where no one was there to tell him to REDO REDO.

Spoiler

Poor soken

Hell I don't even know if you could really credit Soken with that. I don't even remember seeing his audioblog start mentioning song creation till YoshiP came aboard and we got sneak peeks of new music before each patch through his little blurbs.

Simply the worst song in the game bar none.

 

[retrogamer84]

I hear ya on that. The last 2 nights I have wound up with a lvl 48 MRD and a lvl 46 white mage that had only done the first job quest. So frustrating.

 

[Wilsongt]

Can't get over the groups I am getting in my trek thru low level duty finder. Level 30-something Scholar in Thousand Maws, never casts a single Physick. I die like 3 times. Ask for a raise and he "can't use it in here for some reason" and it took like 3 minutes of explaining before he realized that arcanists got their own resurrection.

I am trying to remain calm people! Smiley emotes. More smiley emotes!

I think they have adjusted the DF so that you are now being grouped up with newer people on the cluster when you do LL roulette as opposed to everyone who is already level 50 and only doing dungeons for books or something. I noticed that a lot when I was leveling up my PLD as opposed to a few months ago when I leveled up BRD and and I was always thrown into dungeons like Satasha and Copperbell with people who were way overgeared.

 

[Hyrule Warrior]

Well...after consideration for a while, I've finally reactivated my account for this. Updating my PS3 version right now.

What server do most people here play on? I don't think I really knew anyone on the server I was playing on, but I'm not sure if I can move or not.

Looking at my account, looks like my gladiator was only level 20...thought I had gotten higher.

 

[Wilsongt]

Ifrit is a gross holdover of the 1.0 pre YoshiP era Soken where no one was there to tell him to REDO REDO.

Spoiler

Poor soken

Hell I don't even know if you could really credit Soken with that. I don't even remember seeing his audioblog start mentioning song creation till YoshiP came aboard and we got sneak peeks of new music before each patch through his little blurbs.

Simply the worst song in the game bar none.

You do realize that Soken didn't make that song, right?

 

[studyguy]

If Fat Chocobo can't fly in Heavensward then I riot.

You do realize that Soken didn't make that song, right?

That's why I mention the blurb afterward, I don't even remember seeing him credited pre Garuda.
I don't believe it was all Uematsu either beyond a few tracks. Someone made that junk track.

 

[retrogamer84]

Well...after consideration for a while, I've finally reactivated my account for this. Updating my PS3 version right now.

What server do most people here play on? I don't think I really knew anyone on the server I was playing on, but I'm not sure if I can move or not.

Looking at my account, looks like my gladiator was only level 20...thought I had gotten higher.

Ultros is the server that most of GAF plays on.

 

[scy]

I was recently told to not use Hallowed Ground when doing big pulls.

Some people, I guess.