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[ponpo]

If you can't make it which most people can't then you have to buy it. That simple.

No but I mean if the melded primal weapon is not that great then why not just farm the primal to get the weapon if you wanted it just to use or wanted it for glamour.

Unless people are so rich they would rather buy it for millions of gil instead of running a primal a few times.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

Spent like an hour last night flipping shit on the market board while waiting for T9 PF (which never filled, rip ;_;7) and question - why are crafted primal weapons so expensive? Is a pentamelded primal that good? Who would pay millions for them. It can't be for vanity since you might as well just farm the items from the primal itself.

It's all for vanity. The crafted primal weps were trash the moment they came out when compared to easy to obtain weps at the time. The weps have some extra effects to them which makes them different from the regular weps, people like the extra stuff.

 

[iammeiam]

Spent like an hour last night flipping shit on the market board while waiting for T9 PF (which never filled, rip ;_;7) and question - why are crafted primal weapons so expensive? Is a pentamelded primal that good? Who would pay millions for them. It can't be for vanity since you might as well just farm the items from the primal itself.

Crafted primal weapons have glow effects not present on the normal HM drops and involve a rare drop item direct to a single player's inventory from the EX fight. It can take a large number of runs to see it drop once, and if it drops to anyone else in the party you're SOL. So if you want, say, a Mog weapon you could run Mog EX (the worst thing still in the game) a hundred times trying to get a Kingly Whisker... Or you could avoid torturing yourself and just dropping five million on the MB for the whisker or a little more for the premade weapon.

Millions for vanity isn't really surprising--the economy is weird and the only things that are really costly at endgame are crafting/gathering melds, max stats Novuses, housing, and then the for-show stuff like vanity gear and minions. I think I've dropped a couple million on vanity gear at this point because... Why not?

 

[tiggerkiddo]

The primal weapons glow, that's the only real appealing thing to them.

 

[ponpo]

It's all for vanity. The crafted primal weps were trash the moment they came out when compared to easy to obtain weps at the time. The weps have some extra effects to them which makes them different from the regular weps, people like the extra stuff.

So the crafted primals have visual effects that differ from the normal primals?

Also, glamoured my diamond claws into mogfists. Much better.

Crafted primal weapons have glow effects not present on the normal HM drops and involve a rare drop item direct to a single player's inventory. It can take a largr of runs to see it drop once, and if it drops to anyone else in the party you're SOL. So if you want, say, a Mog weapon you could run Mog EX (the worst thing still in the game) a hundred times trying to get a Kingly Whisker... Or you could avoid torturing yourself and just dropping five million on the MB for the whisker or a little more for the premade weapon.

Millions for vanity isn't really surprising--the economy is weird and the only things that are really costly at endgame are crafting/gathering melds, max stats Novuses, housing, and then the for-show stuff like vanity gear and minions. I think I've dropped a couple million on vanity gear at this point because... Why not?

The primal weapons glow, that's the only real appealing thing to them.

I see. Paying millions for glow, sickening

Spoiler

and jealous I am poor

 

[tiggerkiddo]

You'll find some of us have gone great and sad lengths for glamour. I'm not about to disclose the time I put in for glamour. Or gil.

 

[Tabris]

1.x was so ugly.

It's like if you designed a game

 

[Tabris]

600 Monk JPS is real.

Moara did 550 DPS, he'll be doing 600 with getting close to i130.

 

[orion434]

I remember my 1st attempt at the Crafted Primal weapon, Spine of the Vortex... failed it because I forgot about affinity. My next attempt was much better, 96% Quality. Still have it glamored, so pretty 😍

 

[Frumix]

I remember my 1st attempt at the Crafted Primal weapon, Spine of the Vortex... failed it because I forgot about affinity. My next attempt was much better, 96% Quality. Still have it glamored, so pretty 😍

That's not funny by the way I lost a million gil that way.

 

[IvorB]

Beware the Black Mage Bot Army. They are quietly amassing and when the time is right they will take over.

Seriously though, why are all the bots Black Mages? I don't think I like the implication of that...

 

[Alrus]

Crafted primal weapons have glow effects not present on the normal HM drops and involve a rare drop item direct to a single player's inventory from the EX fight. It can take a large number of runs to see it drop once, and if it drops to anyone else in the party you're SOL. So if you want, say, a Mog weapon you could run Mog EX (the worst thing still in the game) a hundred times trying to get a Kingly Whisker... Or you could avoid torturing yourself and just dropping five million on the MB for the whisker or a little more for the premade weapon.

Millions for vanity isn't really surprising--the economy is weird and the only things that are really costly at endgame are crafting/gathering melds, max stats Novuses, housing, and then the for-show stuff like vanity gear and minions. I think I've dropped a couple million on vanity gear at this point because... Why not?

Can't you get some of the primal stuff from ventures?

 

[orion434]

That's not funny by the way I lost a million gil that way.

I lost 3 million 😢 was the 1st week they came out.

 

[ponpo]

Can't you get some of the primal stuff from ventures?

I got a vortex feather so yup.

 

[Ludono]

should just make sure you're up to date on story/dungeons. Also based on the pic you may want to upgrade your weapon/armor as well

Yeah I actually stopped the story a while back somewhere around the Slyphlands...not quite sure how far that is. Been running ST a bunch to grind for gear and soldiery since it's currently the easiest to do... Should I upgrade my Relic Weapon to the next stage, buy new chest armour or new jewelry first?

There's not much that needs to be done to prepare for expansion, unless you're looking to make gil. For that you would stock up on items expected to rise in value with the expansion, but that is largely guesswork. It's likely most of what we have currently won't be as high value with the amount of new things expected to come with the expansion.

There are three new classes right, so like, the new healing class would like share some traits with the old ones so possibly stuff relating to classes?

 

[Alrus]

Yeah I actually stopped the story a while back somewhere around the Slyphlands...not quite sure how far that is. Been running ST a bunch to grind for gear and soldiery since it's currently the easiest to do... Should I upgrade my Relic Weapon to the next stage, buy new chest armour or new jewelry first?

Get some sold gear/accessories before bothering with Relic after the Zenith version. If you can get a tomestone from ST then get the sold weapon (1300 soldiery) from that then upgrade it with sands from ST too. When you're done with Soldiery gear, you can go back to your relic but otherwise the price is just too high for the returns compared to upgrading all your other gear.

 

[irfaanator]

Yeah I actually stopped the story a while back somewhere around the Slyphlands...not quite sure how far that is. Been running ST a bunch to grind for gear and soldiery since it's currently the easiest to do... Should I upgrade my Relic Weapon to the next stage, buy new chest armour or new jewelry first?



There are three new classes right, so like, the new healing class would like share some traits with the old ones so possibly stuff relating to classes?

yea you can easily get a tomestone and the soldiery and just get a soldiery weapon. it'll be the yagrush for the whm. can then use a sand to upgrade it

 

[Qvoth]

Beware the Black Mage Bot Army. They are quietly amassing and when the time is right they will take over.



Seriously though, why are all the bots Black Mages? I don't think I like the implication of that...

blm rotation is the simplest, thus easiest to program a bot on i guess

 

[tiggerkiddo]

I like how the bots are just more and more blatant and seem to be everywhere now.

 

[BadRNG]

Spent like an hour last night flipping shit on the market board while waiting for T9 PF (which never filled, rip ;_;7) and question - why are crafted primal weapons so expensive? Is a pentamelded primal that good? Who would pay millions for them. It can't be for vanity since you might as well just farm the items from the primal itself.

People already covered why one would want the grafted primal stuff as vanity, glowy glow.

But as for why they are so expensive, it's the EX primal drop. It's a fairly rare drop and goes randomly to a person in the group when it actually does drop. Said items are also used in glowy primal furniture. Combine all of that with the fact not many people even bother to farm those primals anymore, and well, prices skyrocket.

 

[Kagari]

It's here *-*.

 

[Qvoth]

It's here *-*.

i've only seen it on my server once, last year some jp fc did a player managed auction, bunch of people went there and i saw it

 

[Kintaro]

I like how the bots are just more and more blatant and seem to be everywhere now.

And SE seemingly not doing anything about it. My blacklist is full. I'm under assault by tells whenever I'm in DF queue. It sucks. ><

 

[Ludono]

yea you can easily get a tomestone and the soldiery and just get a soldiery weapon. it'll be the yagrush for the whm. can then use a sand to upgrade it

Get some sold gear/accessories before bothering with Relic after the Zenith version. If you can get a tomestone from ST then get the sold weapon (1300 soldiery) from that then upgrade it with sands from ST too. When you're done with Soldiery gear, you can go back to your relic but otherwise the price is just too high for the returns compared to upgrading all your other gear.

Ah alright. I just assumed Relic was the way to go but I was getting a bit intimidated reading up all the requirements for the later levels of it...

Grinding for soldiery gear it is then! Thanks for the advice guys

 

[Trojita]

It's here *-*.

The creep twins?

 

[Kagari]

i've only seen it on my server once, last year some jp fc did a player managed auction, bunch of people went there and i saw it

Getting it was a huge hassle. I wouldn't do it again...

 

[Augemitbutter]

i get 5 bot tells a month. so not that bad. i hang out in housing area when not in an instance. maybe they can't penetrate the energy field that surrounds it?

 

[tiggerkiddo]

i get 5 bot tells a month. so not that bad. i hang out in housing area when not in an instance. maybe they can't penetrate the energy field that surrounds it?

Ultros lacks such power. Gilgamesh isn't much better.

 

[aceface]

It's here *-*.

Oh hey it's xtech, that is pretty exciting.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

And SE seemingly not doing anything about it. My blacklist is full. I'm under assault by tells whenever I'm in DF queue. It sucks. ><

The best thing is, if you send in a report, you get absolutely nothing but a canned response. I honestly could care less if I'm told what happens to them, I just want to know wtf happened to this so called "team" that they had taking care of this shit. For over the last month we have gotten bombarded by these people and we don't even get the weekly "look at this guys, we took care of some of them" on the front page anymore.

Blacklisting them doesn't do shit either when it's never the same character sending you a tell. Every single one of them now just sends everyone on the server a single tell and then they create a new character to do it again, completely bypassing the usefulness of the blacklist. After noticing about 3 weeks ago that that's all they do now, I don't even waste time with the blacklist because it's so much of a hassle to get rid of names on it when it's full.

 

[dramatis]

There are three new classes right, so like, the new healing class would like share some traits with the old ones so possibly stuff relating to classes?

The three new 'classes' are actually new 'jobs' without base classes, so we're unsure of how cross-class skills are going to apply to the new jobs. Technically it's safer to get the necessary cross-class skills such as Swiftcast and Virus and whatnot just in case.

 

[Qvoth]

Getting it was a huge hassle. I wouldn't do it again...

i gave up after my 1st sightseeing

 

[Killthee]

I got a vortex feather so yup.

Which venture did you run and what's your retainer stats? I've been spamming quick ventures the last couple of days hoping I get one.

 

[LiQuid!]

Did I ruin FF14 by doing dailies and hunts to farm soldiery for gear out of vendor instead of doing all these hard mode dungeons first? All the loot in them is trivial and bad and the dungeons aren't even hard it's just massive pulls and AOE spam.

I still haven't cleared a whole lot of hard mode dungeons. I just got past Leviathan in the main story and haven't done any EX primals yet. I don't feel like I should have been able to jump all my gear up from i50 to i100 so easily. Hell if I ever level either of my tanks up to 50 they will instantly be i100 too since I already have nearly a full set of Noct armor due to trying to find ways to spend my glut of Soldiery.

 

[Ludono]

The three new 'classes' are actually new 'jobs' without base classes, so we're unsure of how cross-class skills are going to apply to the new jobs. Technically it's safer to get the necessary cross-class skills such as Swiftcast and Virus and whatnot just in case.

Ah, so you wouldn't need to level a base class at all, is that how Ninja works as well?

 

[Vox Chaotica]

It has been 3 months after my most-likely-infamous 6 months of doing nothing but farming for Atma, and I'm almost caught up on endgame content - all I have left is coil, Zodiac, and levelling up my DoL/DoH. My eventual goal is to clear T13 before Heavensward hits and obtain Final Coil gear, so I can actually be of use to any Alexander statics that form around the expansion. Since I may have "arrived" too late to join a static for Final Coil, my fingers are crossed that I'll be able to find one for Alexander and future raids. If not, I'll just start one of my own, as I'm sure I'm not the only one in this - or a similar - situation.

With that in mind, anyone willing to help me through T8 and T9 this weekend? I got lucky with T7 in the Duty Finder, as the bonus sold was enough for my party to explain the fight to me. I also got the High Allagan Coat of Healing on my first try, but I'm currently using it for glamour as I already have an Ironworks chest for my WHM. :V

 

[BadRNG]

Did I ruin FF14 by doing dailies and hunts to farm soldiery for gear out of vendor instead of doing all these hard mode dungeons first? All the loot in them is trivial and bad and the dungeons aren't even hard it's just massive pulls and AOE spam.

I still haven't cleared a whole lot of hard mode dungeons. I just got past Leviathan in the main story and haven't done any EX primals yet. I don't feel like I should have been able to jump all my gear up from i50 to i100 so easily. Hell if I ever level either of my tanks up to 50 they will instantly be i100 too since I already have nearly a full set of Noct armor due to trying to find ways to spend my glut of Soldiery.

Nope, this is pretty much how the game is designed, they want new players to be able to gear/catch up quickly. That's why old tier of gear is made easier and easier to obtain with every new patch. They don't want people having to farm each old tier of gear.

It's also worth noting even when the dungeons are first released they are not hard, people already outgear them and they turn into massive pulls as soon as mechanics are understood. Dungeons are there for dailies/tomes, not to actually give you any sort of challenge.

Ah, so you wouldn't need to level a base class at all, is that how Ninja works as well?

No, NIN has a base class (Thief). 30 THF and 15 PGL is needed for NIN, and you can't switch to THF at all until you have at least one class at level 10.

It has been 3 months after my most-likely-infamous 6 months of doing nothing but farming for Atma, and I'm almost caught up on endgame content - all I have left is coil, Zodiac, and levelling up my DoL/DoH. My eventual goal is to clear T13 before Heavensward hits and obtain Final Coil gear, so I can actually be of use to any Alexander statics that form around the expansion. Since I may have "arrived" too late to join a static for Final Coil, my fingers are crossed that I'll be able to find one for Alexander and future raids. If not, I'll just start one of my own, as I'm sure I'm not the only one in this - or a similar - situation.

If this game continues to follow the WoW model, and I'd be surprised if it didn't, you won't need final coil gear for any endgame content in the expansion. You'll get equal/better gear while leveling or doing entry level dungeons. I don't think you've really arrived late for a coil static either, even our dead server still has pf groups needing people. It's not really ever too late until there is no longer a need for a static (ie they remove the lockout), and that will not be for several months, plenty of time for even a completely fresh group to fully clear coil.

 

[Augemitbutter]

Ultros lacks such power. Gilgamesh isn't much better.

either means those servers have strong buyers or SE doesn't care enough to assign any staff to them.

 

[Hasemo]

I honestly don't think I got any tell spam after the first month of two after the release. Maybe Japanese players don't like buying gil.

 

[Shamdeo]

I'd urge new players to go back and read some old patch notes/version updates pre 2010 and laugh about just how far we've come. Be amazed at the lack of literally everything we started with. Past topics by date are at the bottom.

Points of Interest:
Final Fantasy XIV Version 2.0 !!! http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/teaser/
An Important Announcement for FINAL FANTASY XIV Fans: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=c499e4c5df4f3f0fde1fb47a28574cb9c3991c9f

a page we'll probably never see again http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/community/index.html

 

[Killthee]

I honestly don't think I got any tell spam after the first month of two after the release. Maybe Japanese players don't like buying gil.

I envy you.

That's with 200 gil sellers on my blacklist.

 

[theSlacker]

I envy you.

That's with 200 gil sellers on my blacklist.

Reported for advertising rmt sites. Enjoy your ban.

 

[BadRNG]

Honestly the gil spam doesn't bother me, I don't feel like I get that much. I don't spend large amounts of time in-game idling in the higher pop areas though like some do, maybe I get looked over by however it is these guys find names.

At release it was really really bad, but then they kinda disappeared completely for awhile before coming back recently, but it's still pretty tame.

I envy you.

That's with 200 gil sellers on my blacklist.

Is it weird that the first thing I thought of was that the prices seem different than some of the tells I get.

 

[Tomat]

i get 5 bot tells a month. so not that bad. i hang out in housing area when not in an instance. maybe they can't penetrate the energy field that surrounds it?

If only that were the case for Hyperion as well. Doesn't seem to matter where I'm at, I still get a bunch every day.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

I envy you.

That's with 200 gil sellers on my blacklist.

Take out the fc chat and that's about what it looks like over the course of 1 1/2 - 2hrs if you just idle in an area. Sure you can flag yourself as busy and get rid of all tells, but why do we have to go through any amount of hoops when it comes to having a spam free experience in a game that we pay for on a monthly basis? I haven't seen spam even close to this bad for years in WoW and even GW2 has a much better handle on it, and that game doesn't even have a sub.

 

[ponpo]

I honestly don't think I got any tell spam after the first month of two after the release. Maybe Japanese players don't like buying gil.

The only tells I've never received have been FC ones. I've not seen anyone spamming actual non-FC spam once.

Which venture did you run and what's your retainer stats? I've been spamming quick ventures the last couple of days hoping I get one.

I don't know about retainer stats but I just did non-quick ventures until QV were unlocked and then did those. I don't care about getting specific things so I haven't bothered gearing up my retainer, just wanted random garbage from QV so I kept doing those.

Aside from the feather and darklight earings, most of it has just been fish and furniture though, so I don't really bother anymore.

 

[Ludono]

No, NIN has a base class (Thief). 30 THF and 15 PGL is needed for NIN, and you can't switch to THF at all until you have at least one class at level 10.

Ah, okay. Pardon my ignorance I've been out of touch with the past few updates... xD

 

[Qvoth]

i remember seeing 1-2 gil seller shouts early when i transferred to tonberry, that's about it
ninja base class is actually rogue, not thief lol

 

[kiryogi]

lol Nandi S rank at 40-50%. Server finally DC-es ;-;

 

[rubius01]

I think i read or heard somewhere that gil spammers weren't all the prevalent on the Japanese servers. And if that is true, it is most likely that yoship and crew have no idea how bad it is.