Unknown Soldier
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They're not nearly as bad as other official MMO forums. Honestly most of the time the FFXIV official forums are pretty dull.
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They're not nearly as bad as other official MMO forums. Honestly most of the time the FFXIV official forums are pretty dull.
I'm pretty sure if my biggest objection in a DF group is if/how much the healer is dropping into Cleric, I'm in a much better group than I've come to expect from DF.
I try to stance dance in dungeons/trial roulette mostly because cure spam is boring while Holy spam is awesome. I don't actually care about speeding up kills or whatever.
And there is like nothing outside of current raid-tier content that really requires people to push their class to anything approaching its limits (and even overgearing gradually lowers the skill bar there.) I can't imagine ever expecting a DF group to exhibit the skills necessary to clear the actual hard stuff.
I try to stance dance in dungeons/trial roulette mostly because cure spam is boring while Holy spam is awesome. I don't actually care about speeding up kills or whatever.
And there is like nothing outside of current raid-tier content that really requires people to push their class to anything approaching its limits (and even overgearing gradually lowers the skill bar there.) I can't imagine ever expecting a DF group to exhibit the skills necessary to clear the actual hard stuff.
Demoskinos
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I do Chimera, Hydra,Levi and Ramuh but yes relying on Sol bonuses is basically the fastest way.
Well, just left Brayflox (normal). We had a level 38 Gladiator - not Paladin. Dude was nice, he was new from what I could tell, and despite his handicap he did pretty well, though he had some major aggro issues (stuff-wise, he was full HQ, so that much is pretty nice, I like people who take the time to get/craft good stuff before leveling up characters in dungeons). Things got a little difficult on the last boss, but he listened to me when I explained the strategy, though he was unable to avoid most AoE attacks.
No, they are adding Allagan Catalyst to CT and ST. Don't know what that is but speculation says it's for crafted WoD weapons. At this point it's not even clear if carbontwine/coats are going in WoD yet.
Just assumed the catalysts were carbon stuff, but doesn't really make sense.I hope the WoD weapons look cool, and the drops are not like onion knight minion.
Hmm a friend all of a sudden has issues with version check on his PS4.
Anyone had a similar problem?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ast-version-check-after-clicking-Log-In-(PS4)
Anyone had a similar problem?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ast-version-check-after-clicking-Log-In-(PS4)
Pyros_Eien
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Assuming I don't need to heal too much(tank does single pulls or it's lower difficulty stuff), I generally do 250 or so DPS as my SCH and I have a 110weapon only. 250DPS is noticeable, especially since most random DPS you get in dungeons do 300-350 and you only rarely get the 400+ ones. If you're not DPSing, you're making the run noticeably longer. That's like 20-25% of the total damage, so 20-25% slower if you want a number, though that varies per dungeon and encounter. It's not a "big deal", but at the same time, what are you doing in those dungeons if you don't DPS? It's not like I'd be doing anything if I wasn't DPSing. I could literally /follow on a BLM or BRD or whatever and go afk and do the same thing.
I get that people rolled healers to heal, so I'm not like agressive towards them, but at the same time, there's no other word to describe it than lazy when they're doing nothing at all because healing isn't actually needed. I'm not talking weaving in and out of cleric stance and really pushing DPS and healing to the limit on hard encounters either, just if you're not healing for an entire trash pack, and you didn't at least put dots on stuff, you're wasting everyone's time including your own.
Man, most random DPS are lucky to break 250 much less 300+.
Healers not DPSing annoys me the same way that super low DPS annoy me: They're bad players and it makes me sad. Nothing more, nothing less. All this really changes is whether or not I comm them at the end, though. It's not like I'll yell at them in-game or kick them unless they're being an asshat on top of this.
That said, if the tank isn't dying then it's probably already breaking expectations for DF.
Pyros_Eien
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Housing enthusiast is at the entrance of various housing areas. Like for Mist, he's at the zone line leading to Middle La Noscea.
LTTP but with the PSN sale on the Collectors edition I decided to take the plunge. Played FFXI back on xbox and the FFXIV 1.0 beta but got caught up with other games. Liking it so far so now it seems I'll be splitting my time between destiny and this. Just submitted my application for the guild on Ultros.
Well I am at the entrance of the Goblet but I cant enter the housing area itself...
Trojita
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Anyone can enter the housing areas.
Pyros_Eien
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I think you need to do the quest first? Quest is in Uldah somewhere.
Mr. Bubble
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The housing quest just unlocks using Aetheryte Plaza > Housing District teleport option. There's no requirement to enter a housing zone.
In the goblet the housing enthusiast is actually in the middle of the map, on the "island".
I was being a noob. I only saw the choices of plots in the specific wards and didn't realise I can select to travel. Got my chocobo back.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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So the servers are going to be down for the entire day today? Bad timing for me unfortunately since I have time today but won't have any tomorrow when it goes back up.
Yes? Or I can just say being lazy, I guess, since that's the case too. Like, I'm not talking about people needing to do 100% their damage in four-man content but about i120 geared people doing ~150 DPS. That's barely above right-clicking an enemy. They're just along for the ride at that point. I don't know why you seem to think it's okay to essentially AFK in content.
Not the whole day, just 12 hours XD
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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PhillipCostigan
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oh thank god I don't have to do sastasha hard ever again
fuuuuuuuuuuck that garbage dungeon
fuuuuuuuuuuck that garbage dungeon
Amen! I just hope the next ones aren't worse.
Yeah I really don't have this notion. I'm content enough if the DF healer prevents the party from exploding in the first pull.
What does it matter to you?
Oh no! Your run is like 5 minutes longer now!
Regarding low DPS numbers in random groups, I complain in party chat if somebody is killing plumes in Garuda HM. Hello, WHMs spamming Holy on those plumes instead of DPS'ing Garuda. I would like to keep my stacks up and stay above 400 DPS. I am going for light/buttons-pushed ratio if I actually want to put effort into farming light.
When Garuda can't die quickly enough with the two sisters up and party members start dying and possibly wipe, I facepalm and type RIP in party chat. A lot of people with novus weapons put out some pretty sad numbers.
When Garuda can't die quickly enough with the two sisters up and party members start dying and possibly wipe, I facepalm and type RIP in party chat. A lot of people with novus weapons put out some pretty sad numbers.
By the way, if anyone from Balmung doesn't have a Free Company and is planning to return because of Patch 2.5, feel free to PM me if you wish to join one.
Oh shit there are GAF people on Balmung? That's awesome. I'm all good with the FC thing but you should send me a friend request. My character name is Lenz Sabre.
Cheezeman3000
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See this is what really confuses me. Are they just not using the optimal skill rotations? Are they not hitting their cooldowns as often as possible? At the point you have Novus you really should naturally be doing good DPS without having to try too hard IMO...
It's a respect thing I think. Most everyone wants to get their one exdr out of the way each day and it's lame having the one guy who thinks it's fine to just click a button every 20 seconds and call it good. I know low level healers can have a problem DPS and healin and that's fine but when you see the healer in half coil drop gear obviously letting eos do everything while maybe putting adlo up once in awhile, it just shows a lot of laziness.
I have my parser up for fun most days. It's a very common occurrence for the other DPS in the group to be ilvl 110ish and be doing 250 at best. You can really feel it if I stop rotation for a sec to type something in /fc because the health will considerably stop dropping.
This is a thing I've discarded a long time ago.
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Do you guys who expect DF healers to DPS ever call out the DF DPS for low numbers?
Pyros_Eien
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If you're content wasting other people's time because you're too lazy to actually play the game, then it's fine really. I don't get angry at people doing it, I don't engage in arguments or even mention it, I just ignore it. I still think it's rude and I would never consider doing it, but that's me.
It's like having DPS in crafting spiritibind gear, whatever, the dungeon gets cleared anyway. Still sucks for everyone involved besides the person spiritbinding.
People on GAF like to
No, ERP is right. That's why I'm creating a balmung character right now.
It never others me if a healer doesn't DPS while I am in a dungeon, mainly because I am not a tank in EXDR. However, what does bother me is when I am doing dungeons for say an animus book and I am clearly marking the target, yet the bard is sitting hitting every other mob except the one I target.
Stone Vigil is already a bitch sometimes; I don't need an already long dungeon inflated to an hour. True story. Healer was DPSing, though let me died quite a bit, the bard refused to target the target I marked (Was only a level 42 bard, so don't give me crap that she was overgeared, because she was not), and when said bard died, she didn't use return. She instead waited for the healer to revive her, especially after party wipes and had the weakness debuff. Then, during the final boss, proceeds to say "Gotta go, but I will keep my character here" and then dips out. Also, people still don't know how to dodge the AoEs in that dungeon.
What a terrible dungeon run that was. A decent dungeon ruined by lazy folks.
Stone Vigil is already a bitch sometimes; I don't need an already long dungeon inflated to an hour. True story. Healer was DPSing, though let me died quite a bit, the bard refused to target the target I marked (Was only a level 42 bard, so don't give me crap that she was overgeared, because she was not), and when said bard died, she didn't use return. She instead waited for the healer to revive her, especially after party wipes and had the weakness debuff. Then, during the final boss, proceeds to say "Gotta go, but I will keep my character here" and then dips out. Also, people still don't know how to dodge the AoEs in that dungeon.
What a terrible dungeon run that was. A decent dungeon ruined by lazy folks.
This "wasting other people's time" thing is weird to me. Do you always solo queue for EXDR with the expectation that you'll be out in 15 minutes and anything higher than that is people wasting your time?
Honestly, it's kind of funny thinking about people imposing expectations on solo queue land of Paladins showing up without shields, BLMs sitting in UI3 95% of the time, and BRDs that Wide Volley single targets.
Honestly, I only really care about it much when they're literally just sitting there doing nothing. If the tank hasn't exploded yet, that's usually beating expectations anyway.
Basically this. I get people find EXDR boring and don't want to be there but why does that mean you get to be the lazy one doing nothing the entire run?
No. It's more just one of those things you notice while running, basically. Like a tank not using cooldowns, the healer not DPSing, or a DPS being low. An observation and an "oh well" to go with it.
shiftplusone
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Do I need to do anything else to get into the GAF company?
I applied on the site and in game on like Friday or Saturday and still waiting
I finally got my white Mage soul so I've got to work on the next 20 levels!
I was gonna level conjurer to start paladin but I've enjoyed healing so much I might just stick it out
I applied on the site and in game on like Friday or Saturday and still waiting
I finally got my white Mage soul so I've got to work on the next 20 levels!
I was gonna level conjurer to start paladin but I've enjoyed healing so much I might just stick it out
I don't think I made it clear at all but I was arguing against people using their own expectations of DF roles as a reason to call out others in party chat like
Which then turned into speed runs and lazy players.
If you don't call people out on it in party chat then I don't really care. If you do call people out then it really shouldn't always just be exclusively the healer?
Did you apply to the FC in-game?
Pyros_Eien
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I don't expect anything. I never said I did. I said it's rude to waste people's time, not that I expect people to not waste my(or others) time. Those are two different things. What you're saying is I shouldn't be surprised it happens. I'm not. I don't expect it happens everytime, but I don't expect is never happens either, I'll just take whatever I get and get on with it. That doesn't mean I think people being lazy is great. And that doesn't mean they're not wasting people's time. It doesn't really matter that people expect it or not.
DF healers that don't DPS are wasting other people's time and are therefore lazy and rude. Hmmm. Ok.
While I personally love to find the perfect balance between healing and dpsing (I am a min/maxer) I don't agree that they are bad players. They don't play to the best possible potential sure but they are not bad unless they actually let you die..
I personally find your position rude..it's up to everyone how they spend their time in the game. After all they have as much right to play the game like they do as you do. If you feel it's a waste of time or feel that random player slow you down then don't use DF and use friends. I bet you are also annoyed if you want to grind sold and a new player wants to watch the cut-scenes?
I find Vets rude who run the dungeons for light or the last relic step and start nerd raging at new players for not being able to keep up or heal them if they pull the whole freaking dungeon. Seriously, people, a bit of understanding goes a long way.
Thinking about it, I kind of want to see this dysfunctional group together and see what happens.
Maybe we have a different definition or connotation associated to the word bad. I just mean they're underperforming. I'm not like judging them or anything. They're just being subpar, below average, whatever word/phrase of choice gets it across better. Though, yeah, for healers it's more of a case of basically just doing the bare minimum or being lazy and not really being bad when it comes to not DPSing. Well, unless the tank explodes, anyway.
It only really becomes a case of "this is a trash player" if they're doing that while also being an asshat. Like, a healer not DPSing at all and complaining about things going slow or just yelling at people for whatever reason. Though, at that point they're an asshat regardless so it's whatever.
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