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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale

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Trojita

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The only guy who maybe would stand up for the DRG is probably the Bard who gains pierce damage. Other than that? idk. DRG should like boost party defense or some nonsense. God damn.

DRG gets Divine Wind

15% Boost to DEF and MDEF for party.
 

scy

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The only guy who maybe would stand up for the DRG is probably the Bard who gains pierce damage. Other than that? idk. DRG should like boost party defense or some nonsense. God damn.

Trick Attack is roughly just as much damage and the Goad use helps at least a little for delaying Paeon until the Bard needs it. I guess the same applies to Dragoon over Monk just due to better TP duration there too.

DRG gets Divine Wind

15% Boost to DEF and MDEF for party.

Expose Weakness as a debuff, +3% Crit. Let's just further their BRD synergy!
 

WolvenOne

Member
The bosses in WoD are diverse enough, that I'm not certain there is an optimal DPS makeup for all of them. A general mix of Ranged and melee is probably about as good as you'll get.
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
Trick Attack is roughly just as much damage and the Goad use helps at least a little for delaying Paeon until the Bard needs it. I guess the same applies to Dragoon over Monk just due to better TP duration there too.



Expose Weakness as a debuff, +3% Crit. Let's just further their BRD synergy!

Dragon Thrust - Applies a 10% weakness to magic damage.
 

studyguy

Member
Really as bad as DRG is we're all ignoring the real casualty of the current content.

The Summoner. Why does YoshiP hate them so?
 

Nose Master

Member
Anyone having problems with their PS4 version? Application crashed w/ "an error has occurred, use the PS button and close application" every time I tried. Restarted my PS4, and now it's just hanging on a black screen playing the login music. Gooood times.
 

WolvenOne

Member

Cerberus moves around a lot, which can make positionals tougher during certain parts of the fight. CoD jumps around a lot and ranged can probably get back on her more quickly *in a consistent manner at least.*

Besides that, the LB meter would charge suuuuuuper slow.
 

Jayhawk

Member
WoD speed runs need enough Ninjas to maintain 100% Trick Attack uptime.

Just because a mob moves around does not mean MNK stops being top DPS.
 

Valor

Member
The only guy who maybe would stand up for the DRG is probably the Bard who gains pierce damage. Other than that? idk.
Do you need anything else? All DRG are are walking Disembowel Machines.

Trick Attack is roughly just as much damage
I don't know numbers, but how can you justify saying 10% extra damage for 10 seconds every sixty is equivalent to Disembowel debuff being up for an entire fight?

Cerberus moves around a lot, which can make positionals tougher during certain parts of the fight. CoD jumps around a lot and ranged can probably get back on her more quickly *in a consistent manner at least.*

Besides that, the LB meter would charge suuuuuuper slow.
If we're seriously entertaining this notion, then Cerberus wouldn't be moving much because he charges at a target, and if every target is situated on Cerberus' butt and hips, then he wouldn't move very far. It's a chore currently because healers run away the other side of the arena because reasons.

Secondly, the only LB you would even realistically "need" would be in Cloud of Darkness, and you basically insta-charge LB3 during the cloud segments. Don't be hatin' on MNKs just because you're a walking Disembowel Machine.
 

WolvenOne

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If we're seriously entertaining this notion, then Cerberus wouldn't be moving much because he charges at a target, and if every target is situated on Cerberus' butt and hips, then he wouldn't move very far. It's a chore currently because healers run away the other side of the arena because reasons.

Secondly, the only LB you would even realistically "need" would be in Cloud of Darkness, and you basically insta-charge LB3 during the cloud segments. Don't be hatin' on MNKs just because you're a walking Disembowel Machine.

There needs to be some moving around, to avoid, A: Getting a ton of unnecessary people hit by the Minimum status effect, B: to make certain the stomach acid AoE doesn't spawn right on top of the Gastric Juices Add.

A coordinated group can certainly reduce the amount of movement involved there, but coordinating 24 people can be difficult.

Edit: Also, lets not forget that any Monks that need to go into the stomach will likely lose all Greased Lightning stacks. Between running to the acid, waiting for the boss to walk over, to go through the animation, and for the new instance to load. Granted they can start building them back up immediately, but might lose them again when they're ejected from the stomach instance.

This isn't an indictment of Monks mind you. But just because they're generally the highest DPS class, doesn't mean they're the best in every situation in the game.
 

BadRNG

Member
Actually you're all wrong because they're going to use the pommel of their sword. The blade is simply a misdirection, a clever one at that. I can't believe you're all so blind.
What are you guys even talking about? Not supposed to do this but I got ingame footage of DRK.
gfkgrn.png

As you can see, DRK don't even use swords, they get lalafell minions and play like a necromancer with cool hats.

Really as bad as DRG is we're all ignoring the real casualty of the current content.

The Summoner. Why does YoshiP hate them so?
They should of just let the black fire oversight stay. Give SMN some love for at least one fight.

Do you need anything else? All DRG are are jumping Disembowel Machines.

I don't know numbers, but how can you justify saying 10% extra damage for 10 seconds every sixty is equivalent to Disembowel debuff being up for an entire fight?
Fixed.

Also I assume because disembowl only works on one class and the TA affects everyone. It's like 2-3% extra total group dps on most fights and disembowl is like 7-8% for BRD alone? Or something close to those numbers.
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
Actually more than half the conversation here is about the game. Other half is Ultros GAF FC discussions that don't have anything to do with half of us and that we (or at least I) don't care about. Thus the suggestion for 2 threads. Also I was just responding to Asami.

A good portion of GAF members are in the Ultros GAF FC. What else did you expect would be talked about here?
 

WolvenOne

Member
If you're going to talk about a best-case scenario speed run, you don't even consider baddies.

Baddies nothing. That's a large number of people to coordinate, and unless they're all used to running together they're likely to be slightly out of synchronization to start with. Oh sure, if they're all good than with a little practice they can get everyone on the same boat, and get well synchronized. However, you're probably not going to get 24 people to do 2-3 WoD runs back to back, just to see what the lowest Speed-run time is. I guess I was envisioning something a little less formal, ie, everyone on their main classes, with running with the people they're used with. Getting a group of 24 people together like that seems far more realistic than what other people are suggesting.

I mean, considering how much time it takes to get 24 people together, when roughly a 3rd are shoe-horned into an alt class, and all that.
 

studyguy

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Nope, I'm taking part in "KanColle avatar" for the month of February.

If you don't know what KanColle is, you're one of the lucky ones. Your wallet is safe.

KanColle is trash.
Your waifu is trash.

Much like cats in this game.
Gotta keep it topical
 

BadRNG

Member
Baddies nothing. That's a large number of people to coordinate, and unless they're all used to running together they're likely to be slightly out of synchronization to start with. Oh sure, if they're all good than with a little practice they can get everyone on the same boat, and get well synchronized. However, you're probably not going to get 24 people to do 2-3 WoD runs back to back, just to see what the lowest Speed-run time is. I guess I was envisioning something a little less formal, ie, everyone on their main classes, with running with the people they're used with. Getting a group of 24 people together like that seems far more realistic than what other people are suggesting.

I mean, considering how much time it takes to get 24 people together, when roughly a 3rd are shoe-horned into an alt class, and all that.
It's not a synchronized swim contest. Knowing your class/the fight by itself is enough, there really doesn't need to be chemistry or something.

I don't understand Slaughter.
Kill all the things, bitch about BLM/BRDs, question why the developers waste their time with these half assed pvp modes.

Nope, I'm taking part in "KanColle avatar" for the month of February.

If you don't know what KanColle is, you're one of the lucky ones. Your wallet is safe.
When is the Japanese Plague Inc game where all the deadly diseases are anime girls.
 

ApharmdX

Banned
What should my rotation be like as ninja for single-target and AoE pulls? I'm struggling a little bit because of lag on ninjitsu, servers have been a little iffy for me this week.

I really like FFXIV but in-game there are problems with the community. It's more similar to WoW than FFXI in that regard since there's a random party finder. Also hunts bring out the worst in people. I'm loving playing but I miss the old XI community.

I don't remember the ilvl min for Sycrus but the first tower is ilvl50 so you should do

first tower for ilvl 80 stuff > get ilvl 120 stuff with poetics and ilvl 100 stuff with soldieries > Sycrus tower for ilvl 100 stuff > second coil for ilvl 110 stuff (and the mat to upgrade soldieries stuff to ilvl 110) > WoD for ilvl 120, don't bother with hunt.

You should NOT skip hunts. Each A rank gives 30 soldiery but more important you can use the allied seals for augmented poetic gear. The rest of this is spot-on, though.
 

scy

Member
I don't know numbers, but how can you justify saying 10% extra damage for 10 seconds every sixty is equivalent to Disembowel debuff being up for an entire fight?

Trick Attack's total damage to the group vs Disembowel's bonus to the Bard is what I meant. That said, Trick Attack vs Disembowel for a Bard isn't vastly different still since one works on DoTs and the other doesn't.

It's not a synchronized swim contest. Knowing your class/the fight by itself is enough, there really doesn't need to be chemistry or something.

Yeah, individual chemistry isn't super important, just the whole competency thing.
 

studyguy

Member
When is the Japanese Plague Inc game where all the deadly diseases are anime girls.

Pretty sure ebola was personified into some anime character a while back...

Also as far as the community in XIV vs XI's on a random PUG to PUG basis. I'd take DF any day over having to deal with some incompetent or outright rude people in XI leveling parties for hours due to no one else being available.

At least in XIV if I hate a party member they're gone in a few minutes. In XI you stuck out bad parties too often if you didn't have a static.
 

WolvenOne

Member
It's not a synchronized swim contest. Knowing your class/the fight by itself is enough, there really doesn't need to be chemistry or something.


Kill all the things, bitch about BLM/BRDs, question why the developers waste their time with these half ass pvp modes.

If you never want Cerb to move, so there's 100% up time, yeah there's probably going to need to be some coordination for that. Nothing insane, but there's bound to be some imperfections in the first run.

Also, I reiterate, I never suggested trying for THAT degree of speed run. There's a big difference between that, and getting three parties together where everyone is on thier main.
 

BadRNG

Member
What should my rotation be like as ninja for single-target and AoE pulls? I'm struggling a little bit because of lag on ninjitsu, servers have been a little iffy for me this week.
Priority is DE > SF > Mut > AE on single target. For mudra you can do Shuriken rather than Raiton if your mudra lag is really bad.

On aoe just spam death blossom with katon when available. Worth noting Kassatsu will make every target hit by Katon crit and not just the targeted mob(like Life Surge). Doton works same way.

Pretty sure ebola was personified into some anime character a while back...
Nothing says moe like blood coming out both ends.
 

Jayhawk

Member
Also, I reiterate, I never suggested trying for THAT degree of speed run. There's a big difference between that, and getting three parties together where everyone is on thier main.

You brought up bringing together the best GAF statics, so good job confusing everybody with your criteria.
 

WolvenOne

Member
You brought up bringing together the best GAF statics, so good job confusing everybody with your criteria.

I believe that the wording was, "some of the better GAF statics."

Admittedly that is imprecise, but it's still a leap to assume I was talking about a highly polished super swift 100% up time speed run.

Heck, when I got into specifics I stated, "nobody on alt classes, and one healer per party." That's considerably different than what certain people assumed.
 

Jayhawk

Member
I believe that the wording was, "some of the better GAF statics."

Admittedly that is imprecise, but it's still a leap to assume I was talking about a highly polished super swift 100% up time speed run.

Heck, when I got into specifics I stated, "nobody on alt classes, and one healer per party." That's considerably different than what certain people assumed.

You are the one making the leap from "some of the better GAF statics" to "nobody on alt classes, and one healer per party". Your first statement implies some semblance of skill, and knowledge of encounters and classes. The statement makes you think of people who are already farming T13 or progressing into it, meaning they can push enough DPS to push phases like getting only four Bennus in T12. Your second statement has no indication of skill. That is not getting specific at all. Color me confused when trying to play your hypothetical games.
 

Valor

Member
scy said:
Trick Attack's total damage to the group...
Group!? Who cares about that!? I got Bard DPS to worry about. Give me a walking Jumping Disembowel Machine any day of the week.

What should my rotation be like as ninja for single-target and AoE pulls? I'm struggling a little bit because of lag on ninjitsu, servers have been a little iffy for me this week.

For AoE typically you want to Katon > Kassatsu + Doton > Katon > Huton, and if Kassatsu is down you want to basically Doton > Katon > Huton with rotations. I think you're "supposed to" drop like 10 Death Blossoms or something, but I don't really think it matters how precise it is. Single target is obviously Suiton > Kassatsu + Raiton > Raiton > Huton

BadRNG is pretty spot on though with dropping Shuriken instead of Raiton if the lag is pretty bad. You'll lose dps, sure, but you'll end up missing less time on GCDs. Mutilate basically can be dropped if A) it has fallen off and B) You finished a "combo" [In which combos end in DE/AE/SF].

Also good to note: if you're running with a warrior who doesn't drop Storm's Eye without good reason, vote kick them. Your time is too valuable to be wasted on Dancing Edge.
 

Jayhawk

Member
Group!? Who cares about that!? I got Bard DPS to worry about. Give me a walking Jumping Disembowel Machine any day of the week.

There was that short experimental period of Natasha DRGhawk when we were doing T6 progression. Would the faster limit break-building aspect from not having double MNK and the increased Galen Austad damage make up for the switch from MNK? The answer was no.
 

WolvenOne

Member
Some of the better statics could mean a lot of things. Though in this case I was thinking, "everyone knows thier class, and has progressed past T9 together. "

Again, I wasn't using precise wording, but I think that's a bit more reasonable than finding 24 people that have T13 on farm.

I mean, that'd be such overkill for trying to beat that 23 minute GAF run that happened the other day.
 
Joined a Shiva EX PF Pony farm to try to get WHM/DRG weaps cause I didn't bother rolling on them back when I farmed in the nightly Korra pony farm group. I got a pony instead. Not sure if lucky or not, cause still no weapons.
 
Actually more than half the conversation here is about the game. Other half is Ultros GAF FC discussions that don't have anything to do with half of us and that we (or at least I) don't care about. Thus the suggestion for 2 threads. Also I was just responding to Asami.

Interesting, your comments seemed to have worked.
 

Jayhawk

Member
Again, I wasn't using precise wording, but I think that's a bit more reasonable than finding 24 people that have T13 on farm.

Speaking of precise wording, I said farming T13 or progressing into it. There are at least 50 people in the FC with T12 cleared and have some experience in T13. It is not far-fetched to make a WoD group with these people and try for a speed run.
 
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