My neighbor still has the valentine and christmas event stuff up. At least his roof is useful for crafting.
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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale
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My neighbor still has the valentine and christmas event stuff up. At least his roof is useful for crafting.
Unknown Soldier
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Are you the HOA
Have you considered crafting on your own roof like any self-respecting homeowner?
tiggerkiddo
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Good crafters find the most isolated spot possible.
My house doesn't have and accessible roof, deliberately. My 3 neighbors houses do, so it work out well.
irfaanator
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anybody in the subdivision ward is pleb status anyways. nobody cares how your house looks or where you craft there
Demoskinos
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Going to take the weekend off and play more DOA 5:Last Round and Resident Evil Remake HD. Once Tuesday hits its grinding for my relic non-fucking-stop until I get it. Basically time to hate myself again next week.
Don't compare me with those subdivision hobos. Better homeless than subdivision trash.
So I've been farming ST for a few days for soldiery and sands of time and got my hands on one of those unidentified allagan tomestones. At first I wasn't sure if I should waste 1,300 soldiery on a weapon because I could always just upgrade my Zenith weapon further, but then I happened to read up on what exactly that would entail.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
I mean holy shit. I can kinda understand people going through all that one step at a time as each step was being added, but doing it all from scratch now? Get the hell out of here.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
I mean holy shit. I can kinda understand people going through all that one step at a time as each step was being added, but doing it all from scratch now? Get the hell out of here.
tiggerkiddo
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I actually want to see who gets every zodiac weapon. I know they are out there.
SliceSabre
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I just recently learned the same. Hadn't played the game in a year. I had my Zodiac and was wanted to upgrade the weapons for both my SCH and WHM and asked my friends if there was another quest like that to upgrade. That both called me crazy if I did that quest and said I should just farm ST then exchange it for a weapon which I did.
Out of curiosity looked up what the quest was about.
Holy. Crap. Hell. No.
I don't see how anyone can worship at the altar of the 2% drop rate RNG gods to try that quest. Yet I've seen some people with those weapons and I'm just like: "What is wrong with you?"
How does the air feel up on that high horse of yours.
Step by step it was pretty easy, to be honest. It's daunting to look at but going one step at a time still isn't too bad since the drop rates for damn near everything have gone up tremendously since old fogeys like myself and others like me did it.
SliceSabre
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I'll tell you when I get my flying chocobo after the expansion.
Last weekend, I fell down the rabbit hole. Asked my FC if anyone was up to anything, and someone said "working on my second relic."
Well, now I'm sitting here on my 4th Animus book and the thought of going back to Outer La Noscea is actually nauseating (I suspect this will only get worse). On the plus side, it's pretty super for SBing crafting accessories to meld my WVR gear!
Well, now I'm sitting here on my 4th Animus book and the thought of going back to Outer La Noscea is actually nauseating (I suspect this will only get worse). On the plus side, it's pretty super for SBing crafting accessories to meld my WVR gear!
Clearly Chesh-sama has no idea who he's talking to. DRG + Style = Lol.
Realistically, as someone who just did a bunch of catch up, it's 'content' that can more or less be done on your own, provides easily measurable progress, and can be done in between other things. It also changes what tedious mind-numbing thing it's asking you to do every phase, so there's some variety. It's filler, and at some point for a lot of people filler is useful.
It's a terrible waste of time that is ultimately not worth it in most cases (although having eliminated the existence of that frigging harp from my armory chest is pretty satisfying) and if you can think of anything else you'd rather be doing you should probably go do that, but it is at least something to do.
I hope they add a harp onto it on tuesday just for you.
Having recently done my Zodiac starting from books it's definitely not that bad. Probably the most tedious part is the Animus books because they force you into checklist mob killing and level sync dungeons of boredom. Light was really nice with the recent buff and that the bonus light tracker is still kept up to date; I could get a tier or two a day depending on how many good bonus windows there were. Alex is really up to you how badly you want to make it. Just doing the freebie map + buying maps with soldiery for doing random stuff was really lax and not bad at all. Mix that in with hunts and fates in downtime and you can get 75/75 at a decent pace.
Trojita
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Spoken like a true ninja.
I don't know why you would complain, to be honest. It's been nerfed to virtually nothing. They even sped up FATE spawns for the books. Any easier and they might as well just hand you the damn thing for free.
UpsideDownAce
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Finally finished my ragnarok last night. I've had it since they added the step but I couldn't bring myself to grind dungeon at as >.<
Bring on the next grind!
Bring on the next grind!
It's not virtually nothing, it's still about a month of solid effort.
This is way, way too far the other direction though. You have to spend a ridiculous amount of time and a decent chunk of change on relic, and a lot of that time and effort is expended getting the thing to the point where it's maybe as good as or slightly better than a soldiery weapon.
Atma grinding is a joke now, but books still take a little time even with increased FATE spawns. Then you need 75 alex and the materia to go with to get a Novus, which certainly feels like it takes forever the first time through. And after all that, you're left with a weapon that's still most likely worse than an upgraded Shiva weapon.
Light grind, especially post-Nerf, and the final step of dungeon atma and bleeding gil, sold, and seals is kind of justifiable because the weapons that you get are still relevant, but the time investment to reward ratio on the early steps is still jacked up.
I remain firmly convinced current relic is something you only do when you have done everything else, and fresh 50s should take the thing to Zenith and then move on to other, better things.
Trojita
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The only thing I foresee myself having problems with is the melding, because I'm poor, and the RNG based dungeon drops. I'm on book 4 and just started. The books don't really bother me too much, and they aren't a necessary part of the game for advancement.
For those that don't want to do it they can do the faster step of
Soldiery -> Shiva Weapon -> Poetic Weapon.
Two-statting a relic isn't necessary. Cool kids aren't gonna laugh at you. Unless you putt Parry +1 on there.
Those relics are a gift. An absolute gift.
Sweet, one thing I never wanted to do at the time was the Atma grind. I'm holding you to the promise that it's easier! I've got 2 Zenith to raise up to it, and soon will have a third.
They will. Actually they already do, but that's because he's a dragoon.
Like Frumix said, it's still a month of solid effort. The thing that annoys me most about it, however, is that each step just has you grinding old content for the sake of improving this one single aspect of your character. There are so many things in the game that I haven't done yet that spending all that time grinding fates and running dungeons that I've already experienced many times before just feels like a really boring way to spend my time when I could be exploring other content instead, while improving other aspects of my character in the process.
I'm working on my third Zodiac and I still have to laugh at considering it virtually nothing.
I'm not going to bother after I finish the one I'm on now tbh. I'd also hesitate to call it virtually nothing given the level of commitment required for it vs other pieces of similar gear ingame now. The RNG heavy aspect of certain steps is really the biggest downer when running it. Feeling like you make no progress over the course of the day just sucks.
I don't really mind Zodiac too much outside the fact that now is after most people ran it so dungeon queues are rather hit or miss. My second Zodiac was pretty much still with the initial rush so queues were fast even as DPS and with people there for Zodiacs. Now it's long queues and most the time it's a Soldiery bonus run or HLDR people.
Atma + Animus is just boring. Atma isn't a big deal anymore so it's really just 2-3 sessions of farming Fates for nothing but Atma and some small amount of GC Seals; even if I got Atma, it still kind of felt like wasted time since nothing else is getting done. Animus books, even after the nerf, is still the worst designed content to me. Waiting for specific Fates on semi-long respawn timers promotes actively not playing the game in order to progress. It's just dumb that I spent most of the time waiting by playing Darkest Dungeon or MH4 (or crafting / desynthing on older book steps) so I didn't miss a spawn and then had 30-40m (3h+ on Brayflox, admittedly two 40m queue misses were my fault) queues for dungeons as DPS.
First Novus really sucks since you can't do any preparing short of materia. 2nd+ Novus steps aren't that big of a deal depending on how much time in between relics. I've been lazy about my daily map real often and still had ~60+ Alexandrite by the time I got back to Novus. After that it's "just" materia so RIP money. Nexus grind is just "do content" so I'm in the camp of actually liking it. It made any old content into something for progressing the weapon so it wasn't too bad, just do stuff when you want to do stuff (and/or whenever Garuda/T4 are bright).
Put another way, if I could skip to just having to grind Alexandrite, I'd probably have 6+ Zodiacs by now.
Yeah it still needs a bit of time. But, like you say, you can just work on it on the side if you like the idea of a customised weapon. Alex is pretty quick too now with the increased FATE drops. If people don't want to do it then they can get another weapon. I will surely get a welfare poetics weapon when they come out but I can just keep working on the relic on the side. Maybe one day it will be the awesome, all-conquering weapon I need it to be...
Nexus is probably the most lenient step looking back. At least with that one there's a solid progression that you can quantify, time and an expect to finish given your level of commitment. If every step was Nexus I'd probably go mad, but I mean having the ability to say... I'm going to complete 5%-10% today and stop and know how much time it'll take is perfect to me.
If I didn't have Animus bullshit to do, I'd probably have done more Zodiacs alongside the last few of my classes to 50.
I mean, hell, that's the entire reason I did this third one. I already had the DD/AV drops. With those out of the way, I might as well do the rest.
I'd be laughing if I wasn't crying. You can go 50, 80, 100 fates without a single drop. You have an interesting definition of "quick", sir.
At any rate, over the course of the week I got 71 alexandrite, just 4 short of the full set and I played a lot, more than I usually do.
This is of course still way faster than like... 7 weeks Thyrus took me back in 2.3 but yeah.
Assuming you're caught up and you didn't meld garbage during Novus, the relic is already more than sufficient to kill everything in the game. There won't be any content pre expac that you need anything higher than Zodiac for, and whether the next step is i130 or i135 we're firmly beyond need and into hilarious overkill (I just like seeing Misery's End crit for over 1K. I am a simple person.)
I mean, I don't think anybody's arguing relic doesn't ultimately turn into a pretty decent weapon, it's just that the amount of time you dump into making it moderately stronger yet still useless seems kind of pointless starting from zero.
Nexus is my favorite step because I could do whatever and feel like I was making progress, even if I didn't do anything specifically for Nexus. Somebody needs an alex map? Sure. Farm T6 for two hours even? Why not. Run WoD all day looking for the aiming tabard? Sure. It was a really non-disruptive step that rewards doing pretty much anything, as opposed to most of the others.
Basically <3 light grind.
That's the best part about it, Nexus is basically the DO WHATEVER step since virtually everything gives you progress towards your goal. If only Hunts gave you light.
how did I fuck that quote up wat
Why do people dislike DD/AV so much? I admit that AV is my least favorite dungeon, or was for a very, very long time, but it was because I could not wrap my head around the cyclops boss and had a pretty much 100% death rate against him up until recently.
DD seems like a pretty standard, easy enough dungeon and so does AV, that boss excluded.
DD seems like a pretty standard, easy enough dungeon and so does AV, that boss excluded.
DD takes FOR EV ER for one.
If you didn't do it during the zodiac rush, you also get stuck with newbies who aren't super adept. So far I've had healers who couldn't keep up with more than two mobs, archers who didn't know about DoT usage, DRG/NIN/MNK who fought infront with tanks eating AoEs.
An argument can be made for it being cool to teach new players, but like nearly 10 runs in now and holy shit man fuck that dungeon. It takes way, way way too long. Also holy shit the second boss wrecks new players like nothing else. Seen a ton panic and just die from all the AoEs.
They're not objectively hard (UNLESS YOU LET BARA NEAR FRUITS), they're just too long, kind of boring, and level-sync you to just shy of your best skills. Including them in the dungeon atma steps is particularly offensive because every other dungeon in the zodiac step can be steamrolled. Even at i110 level sync, you can just obliterate everything no problem and at least reflect on how much more OP you are than you used to be. DD and AV sync you down to prolong the experience. One DD or AV for a book isn't a huge deal. Spamming to level up a character at least makes you feel like you're doing something. 5 back-to-back DDs that serve absolutely no purpose because RNG doesn't see fit to give you your drop is aggravating.
On the bright side, they did finally force me to get used to using Quick Knock. Sadly I still accidentally pop an Xpot about half the time, but at least I'm getting used to the positioning.
Well, Succor shield seems to work?
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