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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale
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The one without eyebrows.
DD and AV are the worst dungeons simply by virtue of exposing you to absolutely new players. Like the first 10 runs I was okay with helping them, nice tips here and there doing every run slow. By run 25 I was telling people to fuck off and didn't give a single shit if they complained about my not going for all the mobs.
Too many DD's turned me into a horrible person. Like legit I never want to do that again, the zodiac step can be absolutely brutal, and I fault only the dev team on making it so.
Too many DD's turned me into a horrible person. Like legit I never want to do that again, the zodiac step can be absolutely brutal, and I fault only the dev team on making it so.
Midlanders are highlanders dorky little brothers. I actually started out as a midlander and used my first fantasia to make myself a highlander that looked almost identical only manly as eff. I dunno what I was thinking rolling a middy when I started. Androgyny is not for me.
So you're admitting your alt is better than your main?
Highlander vs Midlander is like Dasani vs Evian. I mean, yeah, I guess you can have that debate.
Zodiac step really highlights the needfor the much-requested weighted RNG. Drop rates should increase to 100% at 20 runs, or something. I get wanting to encourage people to go back, and wanting to keep the anticipation up with there always being a chance for a drop, but forcing people to repeat specific content until they never want to go back (vs the light grind, where slaughtering 80 Garudas in a row was my own questionable choice) is just dumb.
Zodiac is such a nice, innocent-seeking step on its face. It's nice and varied right up until RNG dicks you over, and then it makes you grateful for the light grind.
Zodiac step really highlights the needfor the much-requested weighted RNG. Drop rates should increase to 100% at 20 runs, or something. I get wanting to encourage people to go back, and wanting to keep the anticipation up with there always being a chance for a drop, but forcing people to repeat specific content until they never want to go back (vs the light grind, where slaughtering 80 Garudas in a row was my own questionable choice) is just dumb.
Zodiac is such a nice, innocent-seeking step on its face. It's nice and varied right up until RNG dicks you over, and then it makes you grateful for the light grind.
Much better, it took me a week to go from Nexus to Zodiac.
Mind you, I think I was hallucinating ever so slightly by the end there, but still!
More like a BLT sandwich vs a plain piece of toast bread.
Aeriscloud
Banned
Does the BLT have Mayo?
Oh awesome, thank you both.
Still going to push forward to 50 in all crafts before Heavensward hits, but good to know I don't have to rush through those two.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Right now I'm just slowly leveling classes and building up to the Soldiery cap.
Current class levels
50 Paladin/White Mage
38 Ninja
36 Warrior
35 Scholar/Summoner
26 Thaumaturge
24 Pugilist
16 Lancer
6 Archer
Good way to burn out is trying to do all of this as fast as possible so I'm just doing a little bit here and there instead of trying to heavily grind one class. I only wish Guildhest Roulette gave the same kind of bonus that the Low Level one has.
Current class levels
50 Paladin/White Mage
38 Ninja
36 Warrior
35 Scholar/Summoner
26 Thaumaturge
24 Pugilist
16 Lancer
6 Archer
Good way to burn out is trying to do all of this as fast as possible so I'm just doing a little bit here and there instead of trying to heavily grind one class. I only wish Guildhest Roulette gave the same kind of bonus that the Low Level one has.
Cheezeman3000
Member
During the Alexandrite infusion process it helps having max crafting for Weaver, Leatherworker and Goldsmith. Not for the infusions themselves, but for creating the armor needed to spiritbond your way to a net profit instead of millions lost when it comes to obtaining materia.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
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IonicSnake
Banned
Highlanders are the butch type, like Hildi and Godbert.
Because someone mentioned it.
The Novus grind would've been a great step, if it weren't for two things. The first being, of course, that failed melds destroyed Materia, they should have destroyed the Alexandrite instead. The second issue is that they nerfed Spiritbinding, to make it considerably more difficult to get tier 4s.
These two things dramatically drove up the cost of Materia, turning the Novus grind into either a huge gil pit for players, or a very sizable Spiritbinding grind.
If it weren't for these things, it'd be a fairly varied step with minimal RNG. Instead it's easily the worst step in the process.
The Novus grind would've been a great step, if it weren't for two things. The first being, of course, that failed melds destroyed Materia, they should have destroyed the Alexandrite instead. The second issue is that they nerfed Spiritbinding, to make it considerably more difficult to get tier 4s.
These two things dramatically drove up the cost of Materia, turning the Novus grind into either a huge gil pit for players, or a very sizable Spiritbinding grind.
If it weren't for these things, it'd be a fairly varied step with minimal RNG. Instead it's easily the worst step in the process.
Wut. Any step with RNG drops is the worst. It was atmas and now dungeon atmas. This game gives you a ton of ways to make money. Also it's something you can do before you get to that step if you know it's coming up. If not for alex grind it would have been a laughable step.
I would rather do the Alex step 5 more times than do dungeon Atma. Alex was easy as hell to obtain and even tho I went broke in the process of buying materia, it was something that I gradually worked at getting over the course of the quest.
Dungeon Atma, even the idea of it kind of makes me mad. FATEs were different. I can do a hundred FATEs in a row and it does not phase me because they are tiny, disposable pieces of content. Queuing for and completing a dungeon is an actual commitment. As a DPS it's even worse. You have to commit up to a half hour just to get into one and then a half hour to complete it. And then you get to the end and have a tiny chance of getting an item. It's a scummy, hateful quest design and I don't think any western MMO developer would get be able to get away with including it in their game.
Dungeon Atma, even the idea of it kind of makes me mad. FATEs were different. I can do a hundred FATEs in a row and it does not phase me because they are tiny, disposable pieces of content. Queuing for and completing a dungeon is an actual commitment. As a DPS it's even worse. You have to commit up to a half hour just to get into one and then a half hour to complete it. And then you get to the end and have a tiny chance of getting an item. It's a scummy, hateful quest design and I don't think any western MMO developer would get be able to get away with including it in their game.
Echoing that "failed" attempts should boost the chance for next time. Doesn't have to be for every piece of content, but there's those days where you can play a lot but RNG is against you so by the end you feel like nothing actually happened. I play WoW too and when they added that in it was AMAZING and GLORIOUS.
Those last few items for Zodiac took the better part of a month for me. AK/Tamtara/Pharos took over 50 runs combined and doing them all day for days with nothing worth mentioning at the end of said day for over a week of playtime spread out over the last month felt like sh*t. And some people have less time to play or worse luck than me. Of course a lot of folks will get salty about it. If I had luck that bad with AV or DD it genuinely might have broke me.
Zeta is cake and cookies in comparison. Delightfully so.
Those last few items for Zodiac took the better part of a month for me. AK/Tamtara/Pharos took over 50 runs combined and doing them all day for days with nothing worth mentioning at the end of said day for over a week of playtime spread out over the last month felt like sh*t. And some people have less time to play or worse luck than me. Of course a lot of folks will get salty about it. If I had luck that bad with AV or DD it genuinely might have broke me.
Zeta is cake and cookies in comparison. Delightfully so.
Guys, I swear we've had this discussion before, and I stand by my earlier conclusion: All the steps are the worst. All of them. Even our lord and savior, Mahatma Grind of Less Than A Day, is the worst. Books are the worst, materia is the worst, atma of all shapes and sizes is the worst. Any appearance of not being bad is mostly due to mental scar tissue from previous steps or denial in anticipation of future steps ('at least I'm done with books!', 'at least I don't have to dungeon atma yet!')
The last 'good' step is killing Titan and getting the base relic. Beyond that it's all trying to convince yourself it'll be worth it in the end as you go through multiple worst steps.
Having a ridiculously OP weapon for everything I actually do is kind of hilarious but the path to getting there is just a trail of tears and worsts.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Oh and I think I have over 300 wins vs elmer now and no Bahamut. I hate this game again.
Yes, you can get the pieces to do Novus ahead of time, but even for well off players, going full crit or full determ can be massivly expensive. Keep in mind that Tier 4 materia can cost the better part of a million gil, and if the meld fails you have to buy another. I have the better part of five million gil to work with, and even I worry about getting those last few points of determination.
The only real saving grace here is that you can split stats three ways and avoid those last few pieces of the most expensive Materia. Regardless, players shouldn't be so heavily punished for wanting to split stats in what is probably the intended manner.
Aaaaanyhow, the reason I single the Novus step out, is because it could have been massively better with just a few subtle adjustments to its design. Well, that, and if they hadn't made those changes to the Spiritbinding system back in July.
Rng gonna rng. Take him into an instance and wipe him, he'll cough it up.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Can I just tie him behind my chocobo when I go racing? I'll be extra sure to get the thorns power up
Revolutionary
Member
Just got two Kan-E-Sanna cards in a row. One hand after another. This game's RNG...
Gonna try a Gold Triad card to see if my luck holds up.
Edit: nope, Baderon Tenfingers once again. I've wasted like 15k on shitty cards from Gold Triad, even though I'm missing half of them.
Gonna try a Gold Triad card to see if my luck holds up.
Edit: nope, Baderon Tenfingers once again. I've wasted like 15k on shitty cards from Gold Triad, even though I'm missing half of them.
RellyRell28
Banned
AK and WP both wanna be stingy with there drops looks like. I choose not to count though cause it's less painful that way.
I've never grinded this terrible quest line. I've done every relic step half assed since atma, always way behind and take it slow. I'm on Nexus step now and I doubt I will have it done before expansion. Novus step would not of gotten done had I not needed EXDR for weekly tomes.
Just ain't worth it to me. My advice to newer players is to just not bother at all at this point.
Call my crazy but having just finished Novus, I'd rather have a long list of stuff to do like that and books with a guaranteed weapon at the end then try to deal with bullshit rng for a weapon. I have no patience for farming anything for an rng drop that takes any significant amount of time. I think I put in about two real hours of shiva farming before deciding it was enough. I also refused to do atmas before they nerfed em, that's why I'm so far behind. At least now I can do Shiva for light and still get something out of it.
Yeah just go triple stat and cheap out if you have to. I was only going to do 100% level IV melds on mine, got greedy and tried to meld a crit IV at 96%, it broke, rip. But honestly, what was I going to be using that money on anyways?
Unfortunately you're coming in a bit too late to take advantage of sealants from which you could make millions of gil a month for about 30 minutes of effort a day. You can still make a good amount (about 500k a week if prices are ok?) and there's always spiritbonding.
SliceSabre
Banned
Titan EX and Ramuh EX are my bane right now.
Hi folks, finally decided to give the game a shot thanks to the 10 day promotion.
Have one quick question - anyone know of a good guide for PS3/PS4 controls and customization? I'm having a really hard time selecting enemies during fates.
Oh, actually, two quick questions - have there been hints that they'll add more option for controller buttons? Currently, L2 is set to Auto-run, a feature I've never cared to use. I was hoping to change it to lock on, freeing my L3 to become Assist target, but alas.
Have one quick question - anyone know of a good guide for PS3/PS4 controls and customization? I'm having a really hard time selecting enemies during fates.
Oh, actually, two quick questions - have there been hints that they'll add more option for controller buttons? Currently, L2 is set to Auto-run, a feature I've never cared to use. I was hoping to change it to lock on, freeing my L3 to become Assist target, but alas.
Allagan Man has spoken.
I am still on books so I'm going to have to say books are the worst, until next week when materia is the worst. More as it develops.
Real talk- can someone ballpark how much I'd conceivably want to spend in total on materia for PLD sword/shield step? I know that's a super broad question because (a) prices fluctuate and (b) you can cheap out on this step or go overboard, but curious what folks end up spending (in approximation).
skLaFarebear
Member
Something I'm still trying to figure out myself. I'm also having a hard time selecting specific enemies during dungeons/fates. I just center the camera on the enemy I want to target with my bow and usually that works.
Its worth doing the initial quest, and then you might as well do Zenith, just for the iconic look. Generally after that new or returning players are better off spending their time elsewhere, levelling other jobs, etc.
tiggerkiddo
Member
You'll find the ones who grinded the relic out by now are in the vast minority heh
I'm not sure if it's the same but I play on PC with a gamepad. You can quickly tab thru enemies by holding down either of the triggers (which "opens" up your hotbar) and then using the bumpers to tab left and right. I actually find it a lot easier to target enemies on the controller than the keyboard and mouse.
Again, if it's the same on PS as PC: System > System Configuration > Gamepad Settings
It's not the most robust button config, but you should be able to swap your autorun and lock on buttons, or at least I can on PC.
Demoskinos
Member
Getting a 30th card to unlock the next tier deck is becoming a real pain in the ass. As basically my only options are to grind out trials until I get a drop. 
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Maxing out a relic isn't necessary. The advice I've been given is to either get a Soldiery weapon and upgrade it with sand of time to ilvl 110, or get a Shiva weapon which goes to ilvl 115. I saw someone with a Dreadwyrm sword at ilvl 135 so I guess there are weapons which perform the same as the maxed out relics.
If they make the relic significantly less painful to upgrade in Heavensward I will consider pursuing mine past Zenith. If not I'll go with whatever weapons are available.
If they make the relic significantly less painful to upgrade in Heavensward I will consider pursuing mine past Zenith. If not I'll go with whatever weapons are available.
I fantasized about specific titles for each relic instead of a flat "Z" for every class.
texhnolyze
Banned
So, I'm a Dragoon at average 78 iLevel. Will I do fine in Hullbreaker Isle?
I'm aiming for the Divine set.
I'm aiming for the Divine set.
skLaFarebear
Member
Yup, R1/L1 do it. I was originally using the left and right on the dpad and all that does is switch it over until you attack an enemy, then goes back to the initial target, but now it works. Thanks.
That's why you're my second in command. Everyone should become a racist.
tiggerkiddo
Member
You should be fine to do it.
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