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[TastyOreoFriend]

It's pretty much watching timers, the class. Aetherflow management is fairly lax, the only two cases are when to save for a Bane and when to delay Festers to sync with Raging / Trick Attack if applicable.

I know what your saying, and really doesn't seem like it should be a thing at all, but when you start mixing in boss mechanics it just feels harder then it actually should be versus practically going on auto-pilot on DRG/NIN/MNK. Combine that with the fact that I haven't been playing this class all that long and this is the first time I've done any kind of magery in this game and it just makes it feel really, really different to everything I've done so far.

Our best AoE rotation is to Bane to as many things as we can, fill the time with Blizzard 2.

It's a little depressing.

Oh, and to also look at Tri-Disaster and wonder at how things could have been.

Yeah I've been running the gambit with Shadow flare > Dot stuff > Bane stuff > dot more stuff > bane more stuff > Bliz 2 spam ad nauseam. Everything's "ok" till I get paired up with a good BLM or WHM and then its all down hill

I had someone tell me in game that Bane used to hit everything till they nerfed it into the ground. Never bothered to check the patch notes though so I can't confirm or deny.

 

[Soulflarz]

She's not here either. Do I need to do a quest to activate her?

Uhm...Mor Dhona, 22,6 ...I...dont think theres a minimum requirement?
A-am I missing something guys?
Edit: nevermind, you found it >.>

 

[scy]

Lastly, you basically did just say one cannot complain about bad players who are exceptionally bad on the basis you didnt struggle through t5 the old fashioned way yourself, which is not valid.

No, I said that bad players complaining about bad players leads to hilarity ensues. I was carried through T5 since I started playing after 2.3 so I doubt I'd say "only valid runs can apply." I'm more just focusing on you not knowing that much about the game and encounters but acting like a bigshot about things. That's it. It has nothing to do itself with specific fights, more of a general thing.

How come I can't trade my tome stones and other stuff? Rowena isn't selling anything and I need to get equipment over level 50.

Rowena doesn't actually sell anything, it's the NPCs near the central area (Auriana, Aelina).

In terms of Potency, Fracture is the highest GCD action for PLD. What is the optimal rotation for 100% Fracture uptime?

To be serious for a second, whenever F&F is up and then any opportunity you can get to SwO for it. It's a huge TP trade-off (, though, so goad paeon pls.

Or just fuck it, always.

I know what your saying, and really doesn't seem like it should be a thing at all, but when you start mixing in boss mechanics it just feels harder then it actually should be versus practically going on auto-pilot on DRG/NIN/MNK. Combine that with the fact that I haven't been playing this class all that long and this is the first time I've done any kind of magery in this game and it just makes it feel really, really different to everything I've done so far.

I feel like the melee are interchangeable in terms of how they deal with mechanics, BRD and SMN the same I guess just due to the overall mobility, and then BLM has it's own treatment of mechanics. SMN timings are pretty much all "so what happens in 15s, will you be there to start Bio 2 again?" as opposed to the next few hits like a melee generally worries about. Edit: Though, to be fair, I guess you can always wait until "Bio 2's at 10s, so what happens in 5s..." instead of planning out super far ahead.

And I still screw up Shadowflare once a fight at least. It being a buff icon rather a debuff on the boss still for some reason slips my mind mid-fights and it's been like 4 months.

 

[Teknoman]

Yeah he is (assuming someone else doesnt randomly have the same name as his GAF username >.>)

Lonestar C.? Nah lol that's him.

 

[The Last Wizard]

These item level requirements for these dungeons is annoying since I'm assuming it'll take awhile before I get any.

 

[LowParry]

These item level requirements for these dungeons is annoying since I'm assuming it'll take awhile before I get any.

It's not bad. Just farm soldiery and you'll be up to speed.

 

[The Last Wizard]

It's not bad. Just farm soldiery and you'll be up to speed.

What's the best way to do that?

 

[Frumix]

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/pax_2015_interview

Some cool stuff in here.
There's gonna be a 2 week grace period before Alexander and new endgame currency become available, and they also don't think fast W1 clears of FCOB were actually something to be seriously concerned about (which goes against that one twitter post that supposedly also came from interviewing Yoshida).

 

[iammeiam]

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/pax_2015_interview

Some cool stuff in here.
There's gonna be a 2 week grace period before Alexander and new endgame currency become available, and they also don't think fast W1 clears of FCOB were actually something to be seriously concerned about (which goes against that one twitter post that supposedly also came from interviewing Yoshida).

!!! He admits that the fishing ring is a stupid mistake!

Also:

And even beyond there’ll be capabilities to add combat capability so you can have sort of a battleship. So it’s going to be very major content that will become available throughout the 3.x patch series. Once you’re able to go out and explore and travel and find those different areas in the sky you may find that some of these areas may have Notorious hardcore monsters that you can’t beat and just end up defeated and having to have to come back. Or you may find that other Free Company have already visited and trashed it and made a mess of it. Or you may end up finding a land where you can find really rare gathering items, materials that you can harvest. So there will be a lot of very interesting things you can look forward to in the 3.x series.

GAF to GAF all airship NMs. Lessgo.

 

[Tabris]

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/pax_2015_interview

Some cool stuff in here.
There's gonna be a 2 week grace period before Alexander and new endgame currency become available, and they also don't think fast W1 clears of FCOB were actually something to be seriously concerned about (which goes against that one twitter post that supposedly also came from interviewing Yoshida).

That's amazing, because I know I'll be working by then so won't be able to go as hard as Asami and Korra will, and our WAR is on vacation during launch time.

2 weeks is plenty of time for everyone to get to 60 and unlock Alexander.

 

[Uthred]

I have no idea why help night would change "bad players complaining about bad players." to something different. You keep dancing around the core aspect of this whole thing: You're a bad player with a bad attitude who got carried through content. You sit there going on about these bad players and "how did they get to this content?" when the same applies to you.

I loathe this line of reasoning, just because you're bad at something doesnt mean you cant recognise that other people are/criticise other people for being bad at it. I'm a bad pilot, but if some fucker flies a plane into a building while drunk I can criticise him for being a bad pilot. Roger Ebert couldnt make a film for shit, didnt stop him being an excellent film critic. Whether or not SF is a bad player or not doesnt mean he cant criticise other players for being bad (whether they happen to be equally bad is a different argument).

 

[Kadmus]

Just had a group get me through t5, so yeah, I'm sure there are some GAF that haven't finished 2nd Coil.

I have not even tried. lol

I am waiting until i watch videos but then i get preoccupied with cards, or beastman quests. there is always something.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/pax_2015_interview

Some cool stuff in here.
There's gonna be a 2 week grace period before Alexander and new endgame currency become available, and they also don't think fast W1 clears of FCOB were actually something to be seriously concerned about (which goes against that one twitter post that supposedly also came from interviewing Yoshida).

This is probably the best lesson they could have taken from WoW when it comes to start of the expac progression. Making everything open off the bat means that the only people that matter for kills, are the ones that poopsock their way to max level within a day. 2 weeks is more than enough time for people to actually be able to sit down and enjoy the new content, without feeling the need to rush through everything to compete.

 

[Kagari]

Delaying the raid is good. It's more fair for people who aren't killing themselves to get to level 60 right away.

Also Yoshida has the best reactions.

 

[Tabris]

I loathe this line of reasoning, just because you're bad at something doesnt mean you cant recognise that other people are/criticise other people for being bad at it. I'm a bad pilot, but if some fucker flies a plane into a building while drunk I can criticise him for being a bad pilot. Roger Ebert couldnt make a film for shit, didnt stop him being an excellent film critic. Whether or not SF is a bad player or not doesnt mean he cant criticise other players for being bad (whether they happen to be equally bad is a different argument).

The main issue people have is his attitude about content he was carried through, calling it easy. That's like someone climbing to the top of a mountain, while you are pulled up by them just dangling on your rope, then you saying climbing is easy.

 

[iammeiam]

I loathe this line of reasoning, just because you're bad at something doesnt mean you cant recognise that other people are/criticise other people for being bad at it. I'm a bad pilot, but if some fucker flies a plane into a building while drunk I can criticise him for being a bad pilot. Roger Ebert couldnt make a film for shit, didnt stop him being an excellent film critic. Whether or not SF is a bad player or not doesnt mean he cant criticise other players for being bad (whether they happen to be equally bad is a different argument).

If you're routinely almost flying into buildings, only being stopped because your copilot is grabbing the controls, and then making it clear you have no idea how close you came to disaster (flying is so simple guys!)I suppose you can bitch about the guy with the less attentive co-pilot, but you probably shouldn't, you definitely shouldn't question how he got his pilot's license, and you certainly shouldn't be surprised when people don't want to hear it.

The lack of self awareness sucks because it makes people less likely to want to give the next guy a leg up, because they don't want a repeat.

 

[empressdonna]

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/pax_2015_interview

Some cool stuff in here.
There's gonna be a 2 week grace period before Alexander and new endgame currency become available, and they also don't think fast W1 clears of FCOB were actually something to be seriously concerned about (which goes against that one twitter post that supposedly also came from interviewing Yoshida).

Nice read, I do wonder what the starting level will be for new jobs if it isn't 1.

Also, I didn't know the fisher ring had GP haha.

 

[scy]

I loathe this line of reasoning, just because you're bad at something doesnt mean you cant recognise that other people are/criticise other people for being bad at it. I'm a bad pilot, but if some fucker flies a plane into a building while drunk I can criticise him for being a bad pilot. Roger Ebert couldnt make a film for shit, didnt stop him being an excellent film critic. Whether or not SF is a bad player or not doesnt mean he cant criticise other players for being bad (whether they happen to be equally bad is a different argument).

While I agree with the sentiment here, the point is more about criticizing things while also making those same mistakes. It's the pot kettle black situation, not necessarily just about the criticism.

You can be "bad" and recognize other mistakes but it's a bit different when you do that while also making said mistakes. Especially so when through doing so you imply yourself above them despite doing the same thing.

Edit: To follow your pilot example, it would be akin to calling out some guy for being a bad pilot ... while you are also in the process of crashing the plane. But then coming out of it going "nailed it" because someone else saved it from crashing and burning. It's the whole package that makes it a problem.

 

[QisTopTier]

The main issue people have is his attitude about content he was carried through, calling it easy. That's like someone climbing to the top of a mountain, while you are pulled up by them just dangling on your rope, then you saying climbing is easy.

But a lot of the content is easy now. I could probably do t5 drunk and blindfolded compared to when the game first launched and I was glued to screen

 

[Uthred]

While I agree with the sentiment here, the point is more about criticizing things while also making those same mistakes. It's the pot kettle black situation, not necessarily just about the criticism.

You can be "bad" and recognize other mistakes but it's a bit different when you do that while also making said mistakes. Especially so when through doing so you imply yourself above them despite doing the same thing.

Edit: To follow your pilot example, it would be akin to calling out some guy for being a bad pilot ... while you are also in the process of crashing the plane. But then coming out of it going "nailed it" because someone else saved it from crashing and burning. It's the whole package that makes it a problem.

But when the pot calls the kettle black hes right, the kettle is black, the complete lack of self reflection and self awareness doesnt invalidate the actual criticism it just makes it really grating to listen to Also I'm so glad I started that pilot example because the mental image of that jauntily incompetent guy rolling out of the plane, giving it a fist pump and muttering nailed it strikes me as hilarious

 

[Tabris]

But a lot of the content is easy now. I could probably do t5 drunk and blindfolded compared to when the game first launched and I was glued to screen

For you, that went through that climbing process. But for someone who doesn't climb and is just pulled along, to call it easy?

 

[The Last Wizard]

Man, it's annoying how people expect you to just know how dungeon strategies and what not. Like there are first timers out there. I just died on amdapor keep and the jackass tells the healer not to raise me.

 

[Soulflarz]

Edit: To follow your pilot example, it would be akin to calling out some guy for being a bad pilot ... while you are also in the process of crashing the plane. But then coming out of it going "nailed it" because someone else saved it from crashing and burning. It's the whole package that makes it a problem.

Except the difference is where I crashed flying through a city with skyscrapers everywhere my 2nd time I had ever been in it while they crashed flying over an open sky that we had both been flying through for hours now, yet suddenly "shut up, you crashed too that one time, you can't be talking". I can still criticize in the manner I have and on the content I have. They still aren't the same situation you're describing, nor telling me that I shouldn't be able to criticize on said content that was run to death be a valid view.


Edit: Also, for days now, I have said I said "t5 too easy" was not meant to be taken seriously. I feel like we're picking my statements apart, taking the part we can counter, and ignoring the part that we cant. Then, when it comes up the next day, we use the same logic for the fifth time, and I end up saying this mini rant again, but I feel like this part doesn't matter, because it will probably be skimmed over yet again.
No, seriously. I said it on the last page, and some people are still using it as their key point. Lay off on that one.
That was literally said in the sense of "Yeah, t5 too easy, I totally wasnt playing with amazing people, nope, not at all!" yet here we are, still.

The actual topic of whether t5 is a difficult fight in reality has nothing to do with that, and that is probably up to each plays opinion.

 

[Aselith]

Man, it's annoying how people expect you to just know how dungeon strategies and what not. Like there are first timers out there. I just died on amdapor keep and the jackass tells the healer not to raise me.

Did you say you were new and ask for the dungeon strategy?

 

[scy]

But when the pot calls the kettle black hes right, the kettle is black, the complete lack of self reflection and self awareness doesnt invalidate the actual criticism it just makes it really grating to listen to Also I'm so glad I started that pilot example because the mental image of that jauntily incompetent guy rolling out of the plane, giving it a fist pump and muttering nailed it strikes me as hilarious

Yeah, it's not necessarily just the calling the kettle black but the lack of self-awareness. There's plenty of people like this as well. The standout example are all the DPS players that call out the rest for bad DPS ... despite being the worst one there. It's fun to laugh at, I guess.

Or cry at, that works too.

I feel like we're picking my statements apart, taking the part we can counter, and ignoring the part that we cant. Then, when it comes up the next day, we use the same logic for the fifth time, and I end up saying this mini rant again, but I feel like this part doesn't matter, because it will probably be skimmed over yet again.

This is literally the only thing you've done so far, find a statement to append the "BUT GUYS WHEN I SAY EASY I MEAN THIS" to and ignore that people are pointing out you don't actually know much about the game at all and still act like you do in general. The "this is easy" is only a portion of it, not the whole thing yet you keep focusing on it as if it was.

 

[The Last Wizard]

Did you say you were new and ask for the dungeon strategy?

Nope, I shouldn't have to when the game states it at the beginning of the dungeon.

 

[Munba]

GC Airship stuff is really nice. Pity we have to wait 3.1 for using it pratically :/

 

[QisTopTier]

For you, that went through that climbing process. But for someone who doesn't climb and is just pulled along, to call it easy?

I have a huge ass ego, but I wouldn't get offended if something is easier and someone that does it later says it is easy. I'd just say

"Yeah they nerfed the shit out of it. You should have seen it back in the day!"

They are not even saying that they are super good when they say that either it could be taken and should be taken as "it's so easy now even I can do it lol"


The key thing is to not get offended like someone is making fun of the time you invested in a video game because honestly who gives a shit in the end play the game have fun, do the shit you want to do when you want to do it and unless someone else is literally preventing you from enjoying said content there is no reason to get upset.

Edit: If said person is someone that doesn't really get on your nerves for mistakes and such and you don't mind having them around drop advice. Otherwise you don't really need to interact with said people and you'll enjoy things a hell of a lot more.

 

[Uthred]

For you, that went through that climbing process. But for someone who doesn't climb and is just pulled along, to call it easy?

But isnt a lot of the content objectively easy? I mean whether I've done it via progression/being carried through it/or hell not run it at all, the observation that, say T1-4 or LotA, is easy is generally true irrespective of the observers particular situation. Whether because its been nerfed our in the general run of things groups running it wildly outgear it a lot of content can be accurately described as easy.

Nope, I shouldn't have to when the game states it at the beginning of the dungeon.

This late in the game it could be argued that people have the reasonable expectation that new players have researched the fights and if they havent they ask for tactics. If they dont do the latter I dont think its unreasonable for the other players to assume theyve done the former

 

[scy]

They are not even saying that they are super good when they say that either...

Except this is actually the case here. It's just a lot of inflated ego from it. I agree that the content is super easy now (and, arguably, isn't that hard in general once the initial learning shock is put aside).

It's not really about calling old content easy, it's just the ridiculing of other people using the carried content as "proof of skill." It's mostly an attitude thing and not really about the content, it just keeps getting steered back to the content because reasons I guess.

The key thing is to not get offended like someone is making fun of the time you invested in a video game because honestly who gives a shit in the end play the game have fun, do the shit you want to do when you want to do it and unless someone else is literally preventing you from enjoying said content there is no reason to get upset.

Eh, it's not really a case of being offended. Most of this is "just because."

At worse I'm losing MH4 time. At best I'm having something to do while waiting for a queue pop.

 

[dramatis]

How long did it take from reveal for the devs to talk more about specific Rogue/Ninja actions?

Feels like there's no specifics on the new jobs...

 

[scy]

How long did it take from reveal for the devs to talk more about specific Rogue/Ninja actions?

Hm ... that sample footage was like September?

Feels like we should have seen something at PAX but at this rate it seems like we'll be waiting for 2.55+ period? ;__;

 

[QisTopTier]

Feels like there's no specifics on the new jobs...

That's because there isn't and it's annoying as fuck.

 

[Soulflarz]

But isnt a lot of the content objectively easy? I mean whether I've done it via progression/being carried through it/or hell not run it at all, the observation that, say T1-4 or LotA, is easy is generally true irrespective of the observers particular situation. Whether because its been nerfed our in the general run of things groups running it wildly outgear it a lot of content can be accurately described as easy.

I think that it's simply a matter of perspective. Some people believe you can't find it easy if you did not run it the hard way, some think you can. Needless to say, the majority of the FC probably believes it is not a valid statement to make.

Regardless, this doesn't justify people claiming I cannot call other people bad for fights that are not equally difficult, nor taking my "t5 too easy" message into their very long rant that has turned into all of this, because that wasn't said with seriousness. In reality, I doubt T5 would be impossible to do with i110+ gear and using 30m-1hr to learn it, but thats a different thing. But my original "T5 too easy" thing that started this did not deserve this long chain.

 

[scy]

That's because there isn't and it's annoying as fuck.

Please be excited.

But my original "T5 too easy" thing that started this did not deserve this long chain.

Actually, your Garuda EX started it. The T5 was what caused it to all sort of come out.

 

[QisTopTier]

All I want to know is why *at proper gear levels the fights are balanced around* Is Garuda Hard HARDER than garuda ex? LOL


Garuda Ex should have been Garuda Hard

 

[Aselith]

Nope, I shouldn't have to when the game states it at the beginning of the dungeon.

What if you were an alt? I mean just communicate with people. Don't be suprised if people get upset with you when you don't communicate with them because you "shouldn't have to." Just a quick "yo guys what the strat is" probably would have saved you some heartache.\

They shouldn't "have to" tell you how to do the dungeon either since it's readily available online.

 

[QisTopTier]

Just use,

"Sorry I'm new <se.11> "

 

[scy]

All I want to know is why *at proper gear levels the fights are balanced around* Is Garuda Hard HARDER than garuda ex? LOL

Is it? I think EX is a bit more complex for the mechanics (since it has the tether distance, Spiny) but breaks easier. Garuda HM is more straightforward but follows script better.

That said, I'd say Garuda Normal is harder than them all for the appropriate level of the fight :x

 

[Redx508]

Hm ... that sample footage was like September?

Feels like we should have seen something at PAX but at this rate it seems like we'll be waiting for 2.55+ period? ;__;

I am hoping for a big live letter a week or two before 3.0

 

[Soulflarz]

Actually, your Garuda EX started it. The T5 was what caused it to all sort of come out.

Oh, okay. The run I actually did try for 6 hours and had incompetent DF members.
Yeah, because I ask the FC to do it with me so I could cut out the "I just joined and didn't watch a guide, what do I do?" aspect, it doesn't mean I cannot note people who didn't understand the fight.
You see, I thought you were going off about t5/9, because I wasn't all that sure on what to do for those fights. But the fact I know Garuda EX makes this seem very...unneeded. You're telling me I cannot mention things on that fight because I did it with the FC. If that was truly what started it, you're simply going out of your way to start arguments.

People going off on me for my t5 thinking I was being very serious about t5 being too easy? Thats one argument. But getting mad at me for my reactions to a fight I did for 6 hours first? Stop trying to start arguments.

Is it? I think EX is a bit more complex for the mechanics (since it has the tether distance, Spiny) but breaks easier. Garuda HM is more straightforward but follows script better.

That said, I'd say Garuda Normal is harder than them all for the appropriate level of the fight :x

I found
EX>Normal>Hard. Hard could be DF'd, Normal could but you might get people who dont understand how the rocks work, and EX you risk the chance of people running into it as their first EX and not knowing you need to look up a guide before you DF that.

 

[Frumix]

HM and EX both collapse into nothingness with proper current DPS before they do anything of value.
Normal mode isn't very hard either, it's just the concept of dodging a thing is new I guess?

What if you were an alt? I mean just communicate with people. Don't be suprised if people get upset with you when you don't communicate with them because you "shouldn't have to." Just a quick "yo guys what the strat is" probably would have saved you some heartache.\

They shouldn't "have to" tell you how to do the dungeon either since it's readily available online.

To be frank if you see somebody's new and isn't performing you don't go "Don't raise him lol", you just work with/around him because people of different experience and capabilities are playing this game and if you're gonna go out of your way to be a jerk to each and every one who doesn't perform exactly like you want them to, well, I think you need a reality check. You're being a horrible person to somebody online over some dumb item in a video game. The hell dude.

 

[QisTopTier]

Is it? I think EX is a bit more complex for the mechanics (since it has the tether distance, Spiny) but breaks easier. Garuda HM is more straightforward but follows script better.

That said, I'd say Garuda Normal is harder than them all for the appropriate level of the fight :x

Garuda normal is when the game suddenly get's hard for some reason. I really wish the king was a harder fight in the final 2.0 story dungeon his moveset was awesome.

From a healer view point I found HM harder just because of how much fucking burst happens through the fight with the damn twins. Maybe EX is technically harder but coming from learning HM makes it feel like a less intense fight.

 

[The Last Wizard]

But isnt a lot of the content objectively easy? I mean whether I've done it via progression/being carried through it/or hell not run it at all, the observation that, say T1-4 or LotA, is easy is generally true irrespective of the observers particular situation. Whether because its been nerfed our in the general run of things groups running it wildly outgear it a lot of content can be accurately described as easy.



This late in the game it could be argued that people have the reasonable expectation that new players have researched the fights and if they havent they ask for tactics. If they dont do the latter I dont think its unreasonable for the other players to assume theyve done the former

What if you were an alt? I mean just communicate with people. Don't be suprised if people get upset with you when you don't communicate with them because you "shouldn't have to." Just a quick "yo guys what the strat is" probably would have saved you some heartache.

They shouldn't "have to" tell you how to do the dungeon either since it's readily available online.

Why do you need to research vids, why can't you just learn as you play by mimicking everyone. There was no heartache on my part it's just very rude to do something like that imo in a "community" game. I notice higher level players seem to be snobby about inexperienced people, but I guess I've gotta say I'm new every damn dungeon since certain people don't have a little courtesy.

 

[QisTopTier]

Why do you need to research vids, why can't you just learn as you play by mimicking everyone. There was no heartache on my part it's just very rude to do something like that imo in a "community" game. I notice higher level players seem to be snobby about inexperienced people, but I guess I've gotta say I'm new every damn dungeon since certain people don't have a little courtesy.

Dungeons you don't need vids for, 8 man content stuff like coil and primals are stuff that needs to be watched at least.

 

[Soulflarz]

Dungeons you don't need vids for, 8 man content stuff like coil and primals are stuff that needs to be watched at least.

For the most part, this

Dungeons? Dungeons you don't need to, because a lot of mechanics are ruined by "burn the boss" legit strats

Why do you need to research vids, why can't you just learn as you play by mimicking everyone. There was no heartache on my part it's just very rude to do something like that imo in a "community" game. I notice higher level players seem to be snobby about inexperienced people, but I guess I've gotta say I'm new every damn dungeon since certain people don't have a little courtesy.

Its because it's an MMO and you have internet access, so if it's not a learning party, many people dislike new people when you can google. At least, I think thats the logic.

But yes, Sold bonus is generally used to pester rather than the intended reward for helping a new player out.

 

[Aselith]

Why do you need to research vids, why can't you just learn as you play by mimicking everyone. There was no heartache on my part it's just very rude to do something like that imo in a "community" game. I notice higher level players seem to be snobby about inexperienced people, but I guess I've gotta say I'm new every damn dungeon since certain people don't have a little courtesy.

Only the ones where you're new, boss. And I'm not a higher level player. I just hit 26 on my first character and every dungeon when we get to a boss I say "anything I should know here?" and people are happy to oblige.

If you don't ask, they don't know you need help. Why rely on them to know you need help when you can just ask? You talk about community but don't want to talk to people? ayyy lmao

To be frank if you see somebody's new and isn't performing you don't go "Don't raise him lol", you just work with/around him because people of different experience and capabilities are playing this game and if you're gonna go out of your way to be a jerk to each and every one who doesn't perform exactly like you want them to, well, I think you need a reality check. You're being a horrible person to somebody online over some dumb item in a video game. The hell dude.

No, yeah, that was a jerk move to be sure but this guy seems just as bad tbh with his "I shouldn't have to" crap.

 

[Uthred]

Why do you need to research vids, why can't you just learn as you play by mimicking everyone. There was no heartache on my part it's just very rude to do something like that imo in a "community" game. I notice higher level players seem to be snobby about inexperienced people, but I guess I've gotta say I'm new every damn dungeon since certain people don't have a little courtesy.

Theres certainly no excusing the "dont rez" thing, thats just someone being a dick. As to why you should look up tactics (which takes less time to read over than the confirmation queue takes to pop) or ask about them, most fights that rely on specific mechanics dont lend themselves well to learning via mimickry. While overgearing means its less likely to happen not knowing the tactics can cause a wipe, which in turn wastes people time in a manner which could have been avoided had you simply asked for the tactics. Because its in vogue in the thread at the moment, complaining about people lacking courtesy because they dont psychically divine that you dont know the tactics when you wont even take the minimal effort of typing "Tactics?" strikes me as a little hypocritical.

 

[Soulflarz]

Yeah, I don't know fights I haven't done, but I know to ask before boss rooms.

Now, I'm on a ps4, and I don't always play with my laptop up, so yeah, I know it can be annoying to look stuff up. But they'll almost always give you the 20 word version of your mechanics so that the group doesn't wipe.


-Exception to this is if you PF/DF the coil/primals. Youll want to google stuff for those first.-

So basically, just ask, now you know

 

[scy]

Oh, okay. The run I actually did try for 6 hours and had incompetent DF members.

The run you spent a week going "please get me the clear my sub runs out soon and I don't want to resub just for this please please please." That's what started things, everything built off of that.

To be frank if you see somebody's new and isn't performing you don't go "Don't raise him lol", you just work with/around him because people of different experience and capabilities are playing this game and if you're gonna go out of your way to be a jerk to each and every one who doesn't perform exactly like you want them to, well, I think you need a reality check. You're being a horrible person to somebody online over some dumb item in a video game. The hell dude.

Generally speaking, I don't care if people are new. I don't ever mind explaining mechanics to people. That said, I'm not really going to see the Soldiery bonus and go "Oh, clearly this person knows nothing at all about this instance / fight." If they say nothing, I won't throw out the "who's new?" or go into "HERE IS HOW FIGHT WORK" spiels unless there's some specific reason to do so. If they ask, I'll explain things. If they don't and things go fine, who cares. If things go badly, I'll explain things and hopefully it won't happen again.

But, yes, I am going to totally assume that you know the encounter if you don't say otherwise. I still prefer to think people will know things rather than immediately assume otherwise. Contrary to this thread, I'm fairly laid back about how things run. I'll make commentary about it (in Mumble) because observations are observations and I like to share despair about AFK people. For the most part, I don't really care about how things go when it comes to random stuff.