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Final Fantasy XIV |OT7| 1000 years DRAGONSONG War
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I think it's pretty conclusive. It just shows that more movement and less facing is going to lead to lower dps even if your rotation is solid. How much of it is, of course, up for debate, which I know is what you're saying. You can move between auto attacks, just like BLM can move between casts, and not skip a beat. The only thing I was saying really is that auto attacks do account for a large chunk of dps, and if you are willingly missing auto attacks for any reason other than surviving, then you're just flat out doing it wrong - be it from not enough accuracy, to running homing missiles in t8, to dropping meteors, the idea is that you should always try to move in a way to keep your auto attacks up.
I should also add I'm primarily thinking of this from a bard point of view. Melee dps is a bit more "whatever" since you're either in melee range or you ain't to dodge stuff.
creid
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Try moving lock-on button to R3. I'm pretty happy with it since I never accidentally click it (unlike L3.) The only drawback is that R3 also seems to be a hard-coded "get off your mount" button, but this is only sometimes an inconvenience when you're out on the map somewhere.
Soooo... I recorded the doomed enterprise of last weekend to kill Cuca Ferra without cannons AKA The Binding Coil of Cuca Ferra. It was myself, Hamam, Akh Morn, Xtech and shout out to Angry who was on our first attempt. Usual disclaimers apply: sorry for any sloppy play etc etc. This was a nightmare trying to target on pad.
The Binding Coil of Cuca Ferra.
The Binding Coil of Cuca Ferra.
^-The anti-non-BLM discrimination. Maybe I'm useless in cannonless Cuca Fera, but I tanked the shit out of that first boss.
Mehhhh, my objection is more to the quote that sparked the whole thing with lack of lock-on being a gigantic deal. Yes, doing things so that you attack more means you'll do more damage overall, but my guess is that the percentage of skipped autoattacks will add up to less DPS loss than a bunch of other things the hypothetical dungeon 'bad' is doing wrong.
I mean, especially from a bard perspective, movement is a thing but you'll generally never need to be in constant motion (the only fight I can think of I'm in motion most of the time in is Ramuh HM, and that is only because I like locking on and spending the whole fight doing laps), and face target on attacks will keep you pointed at the boss most of the time. I'd guess melee actually suffers more because positionals will force them to spend non-dodge time in motion.
Lock-on is like DPS strats 401, IMO, and like the literal last thing players should work on (not that they shouldn't, just--get all your other rotation shit worked out first, then work on lock-on as a finale.)
Mehhhh, my objection is more to the quote that sparked the whole thing with lack of lock-on being a gigantic deal. Yes, doing things so that you attack more means you'll do more damage overall, but my guess is that the percentage of skipped autoattacks will add up to less DPS loss than a bunch of other things the hypothetical dungeon 'bad' is doing wrong.
I mean, especially from a bard perspective, movement is a thing but you'll generally never need to be in constant motion (the only fight I can think of I'm in motion most of the time in is Ramuh HM, and that is only because I like locking on and spending the whole fight doing laps), and face target on attacks will keep you pointed at the boss most of the time. I'd guess melee actually suffers more because positionals will force them to spend non-dodge time in motion.
Lock-on is like DPS strats 401, IMO, and like the literal last thing players should work on (not that they shouldn't, just--get all your other rotation shit worked out first, then work on lock-on as a finale.)
I completely agree with you about this. It's like the icing on the cake, I guess. Where the cake is like... a dps pizza or something. I'm not sure. Pizzacake.
I'd eat a DPS pizza. Sounds delicious
Lock on is the corn on the DPS Garden Pizza.
Not using macros is the cheese.
Cross-class skills is the sauce.
Not standing in shit is the crust.
Secondary itemization is the peas.
I LIKE THIS COMPARISON.
Yes.
LowParry
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irfaanator
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the peas and corn will go straight through some ppl though. others are lactose intolerant
Indeed. That was grand too but it only occurred to me to record much later. I'll never look at that dungeon the same...
What manner of pizza is this? Where's the meat???
Please do. In such a story centric MMORPG, it kills me that people force new people to skip cutscenes. That stuff burned me up back in XI and even more so now since there isnt a timer to worry about before the fight actually starts.
And yes, Bloodborne is taking everyones time lol. Friday-Saturday nights are best though, since those are designated help nights for people to get together and overcome challenges/whatever.
irfaanator
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nope
The idea of locking on as a gamepad dragoon makes me laugh. Adding L3 to my button rotation = no thanks. You automatically /facetarget whenever you use an ability anyways, and only aren't facing the target when you're dodging mechanics, which is heavily restricted by locking on. That seems like another dumb, elitist thing for people to trot out to pretend like they're better than others, like legacy hotkeys instead of QWER in Dota 2.
you.
#banned
You miss the occasional auto-attack when you aren't locked on. Takes some getting used to, but it makes a difference.
No one is forcing people to do it, but no one should say AA is negligible either if you're trying for maximum DPS.
If you want to do as much damage as utterly possible then it requires you face the target as long as possible. That's basically it and lock on allows for this. If you don't want to do it then sure. If you want to edge out more DPS though, this is a way.
I will say Bards who don't face the target are objectively bad. You have no excuse.
I'm glad I'm a bad dps then. That seems like the worse pizza.
Nooooo... I barely DRG and I've auto attacked when shifting positions due to lock on--if you're going from flank to rear or vice versa there's a small window where you're potentially missing AA. It's not huge, but it's there and worth knowing as part of... Like... Things to work on when you've mastered everything else. Turning lockon on and off takes practice and isn't necessarily worth it while learning--and you can do adequate DPS without it--but the concept isn't laughable.
You can have DPS Pizza without corn, it's just better with it.
(Come at me, superior pizza haters.)
This has nothing to do with skill use and everything about auto-attacks. That's ~35% of your damage, give or take, that is simply down to how often you're looking at the boss. I play with KB+M so I just manually circle strafe but that doesn't somehow invalidate lock-on as being something valuable.
It's less about lock-on itself and more about recognizing how important auto-attacks are to your damage and to take measures to minimize losing uptime on them.
We call those people "tanks" and "healers" (respectively).
Well, in that case, I would be very pleased if, when playing the game with other Gaffers, someone who is parsing could tell me my DPS stat. A plate of Braised Pipira to anyone who does me the favor!
Yup, so you remove anything from L3 and instead place Lock-on+Sheathe/Unsheathe (there's a command that does both, when targeting it locks on, when not targeting, it unsheathes/sheathes) on R3. That's what I do. I play on controller just fine.
irfaanator
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you can have someone parse you as you do your rotation on a dummy. obviously it won't be the same as in a dungeon, but is a good way to get a gauge on where you're at
Apparently its roots are in Armenian mythology, it was a water dragon or something?
What the fuck is wrong with you.
Hey, if kayos isn't banned, then why should I be!
Sounds like a trial?
Hopefully with Heavensward, I can be around (and caught up) to enjoy playing some dungeons/raids with no strats. Pretty much missed the initial confusion on everything so far.
TheMan
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picked this up over the weekend since it was on sale at BB for 23 bucks. It's my first MMO, and so far it's a lot of fun. I didn't do enough research and went with a Conjurer, even though my intent was to be a black mage. Still, I haven't felt this enamored with a final fantasy title since XII.
Now you're a chump and a liar.
Currently? That this thread made me want pizza for lunch and the only pizza close by is Mod so I had to settle for a Lucy Sunshine which lacks both peas and corn.
It's cool though because it has artichokes.
In a perfect world it'd launch with an EX mode--Chrysalis kind of discouraged people, so I don't imagine we'll see much that's more difficult and mandatory.
I guess I'd be happy with Chrysalis-tier design, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
What about honey on pizza
You people have no soul
irfaanator
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I thought you were cool. you disgust me now
Preferably in the garbage, where something like that would belong.
fite me
You hear that Angary? Your pizza taste belongs in the garbage.
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