I can buy why people don't like how something is advertised, but I really don't understand how having Coleman is simply inexcusable or impossible in that world after all the things you've listed. I completely agree.
Final Fantasy XV Demo Previews/Impressions Thread
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I can buy why people don't like how something is advertised, but I really don't understand how having Coleman is simply inexcusable or impossible in that world after all the things you've listed. I completely agree.
Preach it my friend.
brandonh83
Banned
This game is set in another world and universe, but it's asking me to believe that a real-life company, from our world, exists in it. And for the sake of product placement. It's just jarring and shameless. Those other examples he made aren't similar to this because we, as players, need to be able to understand what is written or is being said so that's why our alphabets and calendars exist in it. Our languages show up all the time in fictional stories because, again, we need to be able to understand. That's always been a thing. But putting a real world company into the game when it makes no sense to be there... I mean, the damn Mountain Dew Transformer in Michael Bay's movie makes more sense than this.
Man Called Aerodynamics
Member
Yes.
But I'm not going to be able to play the demo until 3/22 on account of being out of town next week... It's tearing me apart Lisa.
Dead Prince
Banned
when fantasy becomes reality.
now when reality becomes fantasy or when fantasy merges with reality.
Hahaha.
fluffydelusions
Member
Somewhat offtopic but since I'm juniored I can't post a link to the new trailer for type-0.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrj7FE6Ffbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrj7FE6Ffbg
Nightengale
Member
Just to make a random quip on Type-0 for a little bit...
I know it's probably partially due to the fact that Type-0 on its own got very minimal coverage and focus compared to DUSCAEDUSCAE, but I'm quite glad that the game's core cast didn't get media prejudice over them being a bunch of military academy students teens.
I know it's probably partially due to the fact that Type-0 on its own got very minimal coverage and focus compared to DUSCAEDUSCAE, but I'm quite glad that the game's core cast didn't get media prejudice over them being a bunch of military academy students teens.
brandonh83
Banned
If it looks like I'm flippin' my shit or losing my mind, I'm not. It is a small thing, and I'm mostly just laughing about it. But I do think it's really dumb and off-putting, and I'm just trying to explain why. Hell, (believe it or not) I'm an outdoors guy myself. I own Coleman products. I frequently go camping/fishing/hiking. Perhaps that's why the familiarity is so striking and irksome to me.
And again it does make me wonder if this is the extent of it, or just how far they plan on going. They slapped My Hands at the end of FFXIII, which was just terrible, and now we're seeing this. Something tells me this isn't the end of it.
And again it does make me wonder if this is the extent of it, or just how far they plan on going. They slapped My Hands at the end of FFXIII, which was just terrible, and now we're seeing this. Something tells me this isn't the end of it.
It's all good. Your complaints are justified.
Seven Force
Banned
I'd imagine advertising deals like this might help recoup a bit of the costs for the game, which is kind of understandable, I guess.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Good point.
NoctisVsStar
Member
My exact reaction very few things actually bother me nowadays, but I do understand the complaints.
Dead Prince
Banned
For some odd reason i expect to see a random cologne spritz scene.
brandonh83
Banned
They used a Leona Lewis song in the most absurdly irrelevant way they possibly could have because they thought that it would resonate with... someone. I still don't know who. Maybe they thought that it would get a bunch of 12 year old girls to buy the newest Final Fantasy game. It's an example of "product placement" that doesn't make sense. Beyond that, and I'm not saying that FFXIII's ending was good (it wasn't) but I do think that an original song created for the ending that actually reflected the story and themes would have made it at least somewhat better.
Imagine, instead of the original thematic material that Nobuo Uematsu wrote for the various characters, that we got Wrecking Ball playing across the ending of Final Fantasy VI because it's popular and they thought that it would help sell the game better. They've went from caring about actual, original themes and creative ideas to simply using real world elements and in my opinion it's abrasive to the brand. While Coleman appearing in the game isn't destroying any potential emotional value or ruining the story, I feel that it's along the same idiotic mindset that resulted in the Leona Lewis song at the end of FFXIII.
Frankly it's not something I like to see. Or hear.
Not really. And I mean no disrespect to Quite, but again the reason that real-life alphabets and such exist in fiction is because we can understand it. It's not really an example relative to the complaints people have about the Coleman placement. We need to be able to interpret what characters are saying so that we can interpret the story. Should a film or book that takes place in a different realm be completely written in a made-up language? No, because we understand our own languages and it's a necessity to interpret the story.
Pretty much. GAF is funny. Everyone was all for it, now Nomura's words come back and bite them in the ass.
S'what I figured as well.
Lumination
'enry 'ollins
brandonh83 fighting the good fight. It's one thing to put product placement on billboards in racing/sports games where you would normally see them anyway. Keep them out of my fantasy RPGs. Will the next TWEWY stock Old Navy jeans and American Eagle polos?
Nightengale
Member
I'm not a fan of it, but I don't mind it either.
you mean the SHIBUYA game in SHIBUYA SQUARE that place in TOKYO filled with ads that's almost synonymous with TIME SQUARE?
Sure is fantasy in that there TWEWY
Lumination
'enry 'ollins
Is FFXV set in America? Are any of those brands even real?
brandonh83
Banned
That quote could have been taken in a number of ways. When he said that or they used that phrasing to describe the game, my first thought wasn't "hell yeah, maybe we'll be able to visit the Chattanooga Zoo." I don't need or particularly want my escapist videogames called Final Fantasy to incorporate modern realism. I don't need it to be castles or dragons either (FFVIII is my favorite on some days of the week), but I think that there should be fictional elements to accompany the fictional world. Doing that helps sell that this is its own universe, and for me that has always been paramount to being able to boot up a videogame (or other mediums/forms of fiction) and be swept away. It can still be "based on reality" without going to this extent.
When non-fictional elements begin to trickle into an otherwise fictional world, the logic begins to crumble away and you're not really sure what exactly it is. To me, it's an identity crisis.
I don't know what that has to do with me pointing out how dumb that you're complaining about he possibility of advertising in a game like TWEWY that takes place in a real world location you can go to right now.
I mean I'd not give you flack if you used an actual fantasy rpg, but you used an rpg that's as bad as calling Parasite Eve a fantasy rpg
Lumination
'enry 'ollins
Jesus way to miss the point.
Eh. I didn't find Kimi ga iru kara that much more enjoyable. I'd prefer an orchestral ending song.
Nice! I might play Type-0 someday. Will grab it for cheap when I get my PS4 around Christmas (or rather spring next year now that UC4 is delayed).
Btw, I still can't visually read what's happening in this scene in the FFXV part of the trailer:
I totally got the point. I even noted that I got the point. I'm just giving you flack for TWEWY
brandonh83
Banned
I liked it more by the merit of it being an original song, and I did think it was way better than My Hands. My point was that it was at least an original song. Even if I don't like it, my criticism should be able to end there.
Nice! I might play Type-0 someday. Will grab it for cheap when I get my PS4 around Christmas (or rather spring next year now that UC4 is delayed).
Btw, I still can't visually read what's happening in this scene in the FFXV part of the trailer:
Summons (like Titan) arrive at the world of FFXV presumably by meteors which then become Astral Shards. That could be a meteor that has the summon from the demo.
I liked Kimi ga iru. It's one of the reasons why I liked the final trailer for FFXIII.
https://youtu.be/9BfpWU_Jx0o
Man I remember having quite high expectation of the game watching this trailer......
https://youtu.be/9BfpWU_Jx0o
Man I remember having quite high expectation of the game watching this trailer......
Whining about people complaining is better though?
Agreed. I found the use of a licensed song a bit of a turn off, too. But I am one of those people not super upset by My Hands. In a way it kind of fit FFXIII to me. Melodramatic, came out of nowhere, badly written, etc.
I actually enjoyed FFXIII quite a bit.
I don't have much more to say on the subject.
Lumination
'enry 'ollins
Why isn't TWEWY a fantasy RPG? The setting is in Shibuya, so let's disregard the monsters, reapers, otherworldly beings, etc. Either way, if you want to discuss the actual issue, don't waste time picking at semantics.
Hmm, but that doesn't change the fact that apparently people in a fantasy world read and write in English, which should be immersion-breaking the same way as a real-world product in the game. If they spoke a fantasy language with English subtitles it would be okay, though, as the subtitles aren't part of the game's world and only a visual meta information for the player.
Shouldn't the cast's clothing being designed by Roen be the bigger issue for you? Maybe it's not because you don't know Roen. Same with me and Coleman which I never heard of.
Whatever, no biggie for me. I personally think it's just a cool little "easter egg".
spazchicken
Member
They could do everything you just described and it wouldn't even surprise me at this point. Once I saw the main character slam a fully armored knight's head into a cab that looked very much like a real world sedan, I knew the "fantasy" in Final Fantasy was dead...or at least, dying.
And hey, remember regular ass flip phones in Advent Children? Where's the imagination and "fantasy"? It's jarring and pulls me out of the game/movie for a minute.
But the setting is still heavily shibuya. Sure it's overflowing with mystical aspects, but it's still a very real location with aesthetic taken right out of the real world equivalent. If it was shibuya in name only I'd maybe be with you on the point, but it isn't so I don't see the issue with a game like it having very real world things in it, given the setting itself is still very much the real world just with fantastical elements.
brandonh83
Banned
It's fine to not agree. But there is solid reasoning as to why this is bothersome to some, and it goes beyond just having the Coleman logo slapped on the game; as you've said, the points have been articulated. The Coleman branding, alone, isn't something that is going to ruin the game by any stretch, unlike being told whether or not Stella is in the game before you've had a chance to play it. For me it's the connotation/implication that comes with it; the other possibilities that are enabled due to this mindset.
I jokingly mentioned Wrecking Ball playing during FFVI's ending, but with My Hands and now stuff like this, it's like, can we continue to safely joke about something along those lines? It should be something you can joke about or cut up over, but when you take certain things into consideration that have happened and are happening, these things are no longer out of the question.
Stone Ocean
Member
Wtf where is the "Final", why are there 15 games
Using a song of an english speaking artist in a japanese game does not mean it's product placement. They tried something new, that's all. I understand your issue with the Coleman situation but the bolded part is simply not true. It's also not the first time an existing song was used in a video game. :/