MissDeviling
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Is there no way of knowing a witch's teleportation range?
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Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia |OT|
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Aaronrules380
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So the tower of Duma was a fucking ordeal
WrenchNinja
Member
Got to act 3. I wish Sacred Stones had done what this game is doing. Being able to alternate between both armies would have been really cool. Course that game was built on the idea that you would inherit the other Lord's army if you chose to switch characters, and their paths weren't that different. Maybe a remake could fix that.
I'm continually impressed by the voice acting and localisation. There's nothing cringey or off base, they didnt throw in a lot of anachronistic dialogue or meme-y lines. Top notch work here. It all fits the fantasy setting well. I love how almost every line in the game is voiced. Just injects so much more personality to the game.
Still really enjoying the game overall. The map design doesn't really bother me much anymore, they work really well as portable game maps, bite size chunks that can be completed in 5 to 10 minutes.
I like the idea of everyone having a default weapon and using other weapons takes up an item slot. Let's you choose if you think your unit should go in with a healing item or go in with a weapon for damage. Also like how you learn Arts from the weapons. Leveling up teaching magic users new skills is great, never really made sense to me how a dude wouldn't be able to remember how to do Elfire because his book "breaks".
Also continuing to like how short and sweet the supports are. They give you just enough information about the characters, their personalies and relationship without being overly wordy and repetitive like they are in Awakening and Fates. Reminds me of the GBA games. Also like how they're set on the battlefield, always got so bored of having to see that same stupid hallway in Awakening and Fates.
I'm continually impressed by the voice acting and localisation. There's nothing cringey or off base, they didnt throw in a lot of anachronistic dialogue or meme-y lines. Top notch work here. It all fits the fantasy setting well. I love how almost every line in the game is voiced. Just injects so much more personality to the game.
Still really enjoying the game overall. The map design doesn't really bother me much anymore, they work really well as portable game maps, bite size chunks that can be completed in 5 to 10 minutes.
I like the idea of everyone having a default weapon and using other weapons takes up an item slot. Let's you choose if you think your unit should go in with a healing item or go in with a weapon for damage. Also like how you learn Arts from the weapons. Leveling up teaching magic users new skills is great, never really made sense to me how a dude wouldn't be able to remember how to do Elfire because his book "breaks".
Also continuing to like how short and sweet the supports are. They give you just enough information about the characters, their personalies and relationship without being overly wordy and repetitive like they are in Awakening and Fates. Reminds me of the GBA games. Also like how they're set on the battlefield, always got so bored of having to see that same stupid hallway in Awakening and Fates.
theprodigy
Member
oh eww Celica Act 4
seriously why is all the bad shit on Celica's side, Alm's route has passable map design
seriously why is all the bad shit on Celica's side, Alm's route has passable map design
I don't think it's random, but I think the AI limits the amount it will do it in a turn. Usually only 2 will port and the rest will run.
It's bonkers.
Cow Mengde
Banned
I would trade all the voice acting in the world for better map design in the remake. They really needed to gut the maps and redo pretty much all of them.
Xenoflare
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Trying to decide what to do with Gray, Tobin, and Kliff. Gray as Merc seems pretty standard. My Tobin so far has been getting poor level ups compared to the other villagers, so Kliff is ahead of him in every stat. Is it fine to just make them both mages and just ignore archer and cavalier? Seems like they both have a great spell list.
Lord of Ostia
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Is it worth waiting to promote mages and clerics for them to learn new spells, or not?
You don't have to wait; prompt or not, you learn spells by leveling up the same number of times. You won't miss them.
For example, if a mage can learn a spell at level 18 but you prompt him to sage at level 15. You just need to level him up another 3 times (in other words, to level 4) as sage, just like as if you haven't prompted him.
That's good. I would of hated to breeze through stuff with that combo lol. Tho honestly my units on Celica's side seems to dwarf my Alm side.
Side note I made a Killer bow for Archer!Kliff and boy he is now crushing fools.
Aaronrules380
Member
In act 5 dungeon, can't find a way further down on the floor after the one with the shrine. I see what looks like an altar, but nothing I can do with it
Lord of Ostia
Member
Oh that's useful, I'll go promote my mage and cleric then. Thanks!
Level ups are set at the beginning of the battle.
My girl friend has been playing SoV during my breaks and she has just reached the end of Act 2 and watched the
. She actually shed a tear seeing that. I asked her why and she said that
I was shocked that I actually hadn't thought of that myself when I was playing the game. My girl friend is not a frequent gamer; she has never played any FE games, let alone Gaiden. She only got interested in SoV because she saw the intro and got impressed by its music, characters and such. She's so new to the Gaiden/SoV story that she's able to view it from a very different perspective, and might be able to notice nice little touches in the remake that I failed to pay attention to.
I consider myself a fan of Gaiden and took everything for granted; I thought I know Gaiden in and out so I probably didn't give SoV enough credit for the meaningful new additions to the game. The plot, world-building, character background have been fleshed out a lot; the one my girl friend pointed out is just an example. I see the prologue as a "nice to have" because I already know what's going to happen later, without appreciating how the prologue makes the events to follow more relevant and impactful. SoV has added much deeper characterization like that to Gaiden, but self-proclaimed old-school FE fans like me, who are holding a "I know this shit well enough" attitude may often fail to realize that.
Anyway, just wanted to share some self-reflection thoughts I just had. One's experience with SoV could be vastly different depending on whether he treats it as a standalone "new" game on its own or a mere "Gaiden Remake".
fight between Alm and Celica
in the very first moment of the opening scene, kid Celica herself was actually wondering why Duma and Mila have to fight, "can't they just say they are sorry". But years later when things happen to the protagonists themselves, they actually waste no time and get into fighting within seconds, ruining what should have been a sweet reunion. None of them said anything about being sorry, just like Duma and Mila.
I was shocked that I actually hadn't thought of that myself when I was playing the game. My girl friend is not a frequent gamer; she has never played any FE games, let alone Gaiden. She only got interested in SoV because she saw the intro and got impressed by its music, characters and such. She's so new to the Gaiden/SoV story that she's able to view it from a very different perspective, and might be able to notice nice little touches in the remake that I failed to pay attention to.
I consider myself a fan of Gaiden and took everything for granted; I thought I know Gaiden in and out so I probably didn't give SoV enough credit for the meaningful new additions to the game. The plot, world-building, character background have been fleshed out a lot; the one my girl friend pointed out is just an example. I see the prologue as a "nice to have" because I already know what's going to happen later, without appreciating how the prologue makes the events to follow more relevant and impactful. SoV has added much deeper characterization like that to Gaiden, but self-proclaimed old-school FE fans like me, who are holding a "I know this shit well enough" attitude may often fail to realize that.
Anyway, just wanted to share some self-reflection thoughts I just had. One's experience with SoV could be vastly different depending on whether he treats it as a standalone "new" game on its own or a mere "Gaiden Remake".
TheMoon
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DecoReturns
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Playing this game makes me want a Sacred Stones remake now.
I'm thinking it would've been cool to control both Army's in that game. Although technically the situation was different those games. You always had the same people except two.
I'm thinking it would've been cool to control both Army's in that game. Although technically the situation was different those games. You always had the same people except two.
Splash Wave
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I apologize if this has already been asked several times, but should I be worried about when to promote my starting villagers? Is it terribly important, and which classes do y'all recommend for the starting cast?
DecoReturns
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TheMoon
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It's anywhere on the entire map. Yes, it's exactly as bonkers as it sounds. Be thankful that the AI doesn't abuse it to its fullest potential.
Aveyn Knight
Member
It's an exit. Just ignore it.
DecoReturns
Member
I don't think it's anywhere extacly. It's anywhere where you can be targeted. if they teleport. It means they are going to attack
Then again. If your always going to get attacked, then your are right. It's anywhere on the map.
Witches are weird. Can't figure out how to bait them
Aveyn Knight
Member
Invoke maybe?
I hear they only target outliers so you can try moving your low Res units near the middle of your army.
If I never see another swamp or desert it will be too soon.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Even the non-swamp and desert maps are boring and generic in their design.
Damn. I can see how this game is the black sheep of the series. And much like Shadow Dragon it really shows it's age as a remake. With that said at probably 5 hours in this is possibly my favourite Fire Emblem game I have played yet.
Hard Classic didn't seem so bad until the first unlucky crit. But that's why we play these games.
The lack of durability is kind of bugging me though. Was that a thing in the original NES release?
Hard Classic didn't seem so bad until the first unlucky crit. But that's why we play these games.
The lack of durability is kind of bugging me though. Was that a thing in the original NES release?
Cow Mengde
Banned
Yup. You can only have 1 item with you at a time. There's no durability. Magic costs HP to use.
Really enjoying this, quite refreshing to go back to the more basic classes and a solid story and characters after the more recent games. Even simplified character development makes a nice change from the near-unlimited options in Fates/Awakening.
Quick question- why do some items have little circles beneath them when equipping them? At first I thought it was rarity, but an iron Sword has five and a Levin Sword has three. Is it 'suitability for the character' or 'skills they can learn'?
Quick question- why do some items have little circles beneath them when equipping them? At first I thought it was rarity, but an iron Sword has five and a Levin Sword has three. Is it 'suitability for the character' or 'skills they can learn'?
think of it as a level up bar of sorts
there's different combat abilities characters can learn by using the weapons enough
Starwolf_UK
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Ah the summoning logic when you get a bit too close to a cantor meant inside a fortress that some of the monsters spawned outside the fortress down a cliff because those were the nearest unoccupied tiles.
...and then walked into an ambush and a bow knight ORKOd Silque so I reset and got different characters appearing the in the village so maybe entering an exiting a village until Grey shows up will help.
Retreat can also work to more gradually wear down the enemy count. Unless you're talking dungeons of course.
I was going to mention Faye but you meant the rescue command rather than the rescue staff.
It is one of the village dialogues. I got that convo in Act 3
after freeing Matilda
Thanks- do you mean it's showing how far along you've mastered the weapon?
You mean directly below the name? Sounds like you're talking about the stars that indicate how many times a weapon can be upgraded at the forge.
That's shown by the bar right under the weapon's icon.
Cow Mengde
Banned
So there's an interview with the director of this game. Says he wants to remake Binding Blade next. I say go for it!!! We need to finish the Elibe saga anyway.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/18/15658120/fire-emblem-echoes-nintendo-3ds-remake-interview
Maybe someone can start a new thread based on this info. Ok, it's not confirmed or anything, but still interesting.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/18/15658120/fire-emblem-echoes-nintendo-3ds-remake-interview
Maybe someone can start a new thread based on this info. Ok, it's not confirmed or anything, but still interesting.
Ah, lovely, thanks! Haven't unlocked forging yet.
Interesting that the abilities aren't always worth it for some characters. The first iron Sword ability to hit a bit harder is pretty good on swordsmen with low speed, but practically worthless for those fast enough to be hitting twice against most normal enemies. Seeing as that includes Alm and most units on the Merc class tree, it just feels a bit odd. Nice to have the option when facing faster/heavier enemies though.
That's the number of times you can forge a weapon. You can upgrade a iron sword 5 times while you can only upgrade the Lightning Sword 3 times. Before forging, all those "circles" are grey, when you upgrade it once, the first "circle" will turn gold, to indicate you have reach forge lv1.
Weapon skills (or "arts" as the game calls it) are different thing. First of all, in the character portrait page, under the symbol of the equipped weapon or shield (in the top middle of the screen), there will a bar which fill up when as you fight. This is to indicate your progress in learning a weapon skill (if there is one), if you have learned all the skill this weapon has to offer, it will show the text "MAX". On the right hand side where your skills and magics are shown, any unlearned skills will be displayed as "???".
Interesting, I thought for sure they'd go for Genealogy. It has everything old school and newer fans could want. It could be truly be the game foretold in legend that brings the fanbase together
Can't deny Roy's popularity and how well this would go over in general though. I'd be up for it, as long as they get round to Genealogy and Thracia eventually. I wonder if they'll include the Blazing Blade in it too, it'd make for one hell of an experience. It might be best they do them separately though, so they can really flesh each one out.
Either way, sign me up.
Shit, this would be on Switch too. Shiiiiit.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Interesting, I thought for sure they'd go for Genealogy. It has everything old school and newer fans could want. It could be truly be the game foretold in legend that brings the fanbase together
Can't deny Roy's popularity and how well this would go over in general though. I'd be up for it, as long as they get round to Genealogy and Thracia eventually. I wonder if they'll include the Blazing Blade in it too, it'd make for one hell of an experience. It might be best they do them separately though, so they can really flesh each one out.
Either way, sign me up.
Shit, this would be on Switch too. Shiiiiit.
The Elibe story needs to be finished first. We only have half the story. People that don't play imports won't know what happens after Eliwood, Lyn and Hector won. Athos gave a grim vision before passing away.
Plus, I can't imagine FE4's plot being easy to localize with the incest, rape, and child hunts. You have a Nintendo character born from rape for crying out loud.
Excellent, that's really clear, thanks!
Not looking forward to the sound of these teleporting witches up ahead, but I suppose we've got the turnwheel on our side too. I remember other mechanics being just as annoying in the GBA games, like having one of your faster, stronger melee units hit with Berserk from the other side of the map and having no healer who could get close enough to cure them without also dying. Extreme caution and stuff like multiple healers with rescue and cure staves eventually got me through it but it was still several attempts, at least now we can just rewind the turn, have vulnerable units retreat and try again.
Isn't it said in SoV that
Celica's mother was kidnapped -and raped- by the king
Yeah, it would be something special to fans who have never played it yet played the Blazing Blade. How cool would it be seeing (FE 6 character spoilers!)
Hector's daughter or an older, maturer Karel for the first time?
As for Genealogy, yeah, it would be pretty hard.
I'm not sure how Ninty would tackle it to be honest. They do have games for the older audience such as Bayonetta after all, but FE has recently become a pillar for them, and they'd understandably want it to appeal to broadest audience possible.
Whether they merely hint at certain dark actions taken by characters (there is clear rape intentions in SoV after all), or outright go for broke and promote it as a Game of Thrones style story to pique interest is fine by me. As long as it gets its due eventually. I feel it's an experience every FE has to have.
Without using those words, but yes. There are an awful lot of girls and young women kidnapped, sold, or mind controlled in this game, too (though again, the words used are never quite so sinister as they could be).