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Fitness |OT5| Intermittent Farting, Wrist Curls and Hammer Strength Machine Spotters
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My understanding (for quite some time) is products like Craze contain ephedra extract - which is a different version of the Ephedra that contained ephedra alkaloids (banned since '06, and are significantly more potent and powerful).
In fact, for products like Craze, they use certain Ephedra Extracts that comes from plants like Ephedra Viridis or Nevadensis, each of which do not even contain the particular Alkaloid that contains Ephedrine. i.e The effective component for energy & white loss. Thus, they mix it with a bunch of caffeine, broscience and creatine, and nobody questions the claims otherwise.
Someone can dispute if they like and I'll look it up later when I'm off work. Regardless, comparing it to amphetamines or methylphenidate is pretty silly. There simply is no comparison in terms of effectiveness (imo).
fredrancour
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Center pec isn't a separate muscle. It's impossible to isolate it. The idea you can is a popular myth. The chest divides into upper and lower, not inner and outer; shape in the middle of the muscle is determined by a combination of genetics and how developed the whole muscle is. Just work out the whole thing as hard as you can.
Alright I guess I will just keep working my chest in general more. Also guys, if I work my forearms more, which I have never really done.. Will that help me be able to curl more weight?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I threw the tub to my mother who is an RN and has been for over 34 years. She read the back picked out 3 names I can't remember that sound like chemicals and said they are the deconstructed components of ephedra. The reason she asked to look at it was because I told her "how it made me feel." She then proceeded to say "well, this is why."
I took the shit, it's more than sugar and caffeine. The energy drink I use now doesn't even compare to craze which has 350mg of caffeine and other shit in it.
The way it made me feel (like I was on drugs) is exactly why I stopped taking it.
AdventureRacing
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Hahaha.
Day after day, we see wearers of Cargo Shorts self-consciously hiding their God-given gams when all their legs want to do is experience a little freedom and sunshine.
Why all those pockets? Do you really need to carry that many things on a daily basis? Or is it that the bulk of those pockets serves to further constrict your thighs and extend the confidence-shrinking effect of those ever so lengthy shorts?
Haha. I applaud their mission. But I'm hella confident in the shorts I wear. Even the ones with all those pockets.
I play rugby so at this point i've just gotten used to wearing short shorts.
lawl
I mean, obviously it's going to be more potent than coffee or an energy drink given the amount of shit that is simply mixed together.
That being said, I used to take Craze (and other similar products) until a friend of mine (who is pursuing his Ph.D in biological chemistry/science) absolutely ripped me and every other potential clown for buying into it. Because while it does contain ephedra extracts, they're not from the plants which contain true Ephedrine. I'm assuming that's due to legal ramifications.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Damn, what's up with the salt?
Clearly shit mixed together = Craze's contents. i.e. caffeine, sugar and broscience. Which yes, should be more potent than your average cup of coffee or energy drink.
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A More Normal Bird
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How strong are you? Squat, bench dead numbers. From your posts it sounds like you haven't had much of a structured routine in which case your friend would be right: you're curtailing your own progress.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
If you don't need it, I wouldn't take it. I'd also advise you not to exceed the maximum dosage on the label. I didn't even finish the tub I took because of exactly what you're describing.
Hey all, I would really love a form check on my squats if you have the time. I'm still very much a novice.
http://youtu.be/lz8RdH__Dk0
Upon watching the video I feel like I could do with a wider stance to get lower, however, when I go lower I get a pain on the interior portion of my left knee, not under the cap, but on the divot just to the right of the cap if that makes sense. Also I can tell I have an issue with, I guess I'll call it hip waggle, it looks like I make an "s" motion on the way down/up. Any other tips would be appreciated.
At some point I will upload a deadlift one since that is my messiest lift.
http://youtu.be/lz8RdH__Dk0
Upon watching the video I feel like I could do with a wider stance to get lower, however, when I go lower I get a pain on the interior portion of my left knee, not under the cap, but on the divot just to the right of the cap if that makes sense. Also I can tell I have an issue with, I guess I'll call it hip waggle, it looks like I make an "s" motion on the way down/up. Any other tips would be appreciated.
At some point I will upload a deadlift one since that is my messiest lift.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Hard to tell, but it looks like you're using highbar. To which I say, you need to go deeper, keep your torso more erect and no, you don't need to widen your stance.
That's all from a very hard angle to read.
Gotcha. I'll try to find a better angle. That area of the gym is super crowded unfortunately. Thanks for the feedback though. Yes it is very much a high bar stance (can't do low bar very well yet), so I'll give the changes a shot next time I'm there.
Craze is definitely some potent pre-workout, and it is a devil's tool. I once made the mistake of taking a regular size dosed around oh, I don't know, 4pm? That night I was tossing and turning and probably got about 2 hours of sleep. I don't have the tub anymore, but after that I only ever took it in the early AM hours. Oh, it also made me last a lot longer during sexual activities. That was kinda nifty.
You were most likely experiencing the effects of the caffeine and it's synergy with other possible synthetic drugs. Which some people do claim Craze contains. Keep in mind Craze is a Proprietary blend, meaning while the ingredients are listed - their specific amounts and/or types aren't always listed.
For example, Craze is/was facing a lawsuit this time last year. The lawsuit claimed that one of Craze's ingredients dendrobium (or Dendrobex as they've trademarked) contained amphetamine drugs, more specifically phenylethylamine.
Some experts questioned whether or not phenylethylamine occurs naturally in dendrobium plants. Further more, that Phenylethylamine is a stimulant with effects similar to amphetamine. Those claims were never proven iirc.
So if you factor in client's feedback (even AlienShogun's), such as "It made me feel like I was on drugs", then it's entirely possibly that it's the body's affect in dealing with synthetic stimulants (amphetamine-like ones in that example). However, as someone who regularly takes true amphetamines - and has built up a fairly good tolerance to them over time, the comparisons really aren't concrete. I suppose I could see how people who aren't familiar with it might react. But I'm fairly confident if I gave anyone here 30mg of generic Aderall v.s. Craze there wouldn't even be a debate. I witnessed this first hand.
Simply put; just because any pre-workout makes you 'feel' a particular way, doesn't mean it's actually effective and not just your body spinning out of control being introduced with unfamiliar substances. Thus, instead of spending $30-40 on a supplement that could potentially be more hazardous to your health - you might as well visit your PCP and complain you're having trouble concentrating. Get a prescription for something like aderall, and spend infinitely less money (assuming you have insurance) while reaping the same (greater - safer) benefits at a fraction of the cost. Just my pro-tip for the night.
You pretty much picked the worst angle possible for that video.
But yeah, your squats look a tad high. Your stance is fine but you could point your feet outwards, maybe 20 or 30 degrees, and consciously shove your knees out so they track your toes.
We'd need a video from a better angle though.
You pretty much picked the worst angle possible for that video.
But yeah, your squats look a tad high. Your stance is fine but you could point your feet outwards, maybe 20 or 30 degrees, and consciously shove your knees out so they track your toes.
We'd need a video from a better angle though.
Figures I would grab the worst one lol. Next time I'll do one using the mirror that is to my right, should give a much better view. Thanks!
I mentioned this above. Based on the (ongoing?) class action lawsuit - I believe those claims have yet to be scientifically proven - just suggested through 2 studies done two decades ago.
I'm not going to debate the ingredients of Craze. I'm not a fan of what I call "kitchen sink" pre workout supplements.
I am curious about you suggesting acquiring a prescription for a drug that is very commonly misused and then suggesting that that is the safer method of supplementation though.
Really?
Eh, okay... So it's what then?
What does college kids abusing it have anything to do with taking them for personal use in a responsible manner?
Squat form check please:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ8alc3Ms_8&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AINJo9yPe8&feature=youtu.be
I notice my knees lurch forward so I'm doing hack squats instead of leg press as assistance to help with that.
Any questions/ advice is appreciated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ8alc3Ms_8&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AINJo9yPe8&feature=youtu.be
I notice my knees lurch forward so I'm doing hack squats instead of leg press as assistance to help with that.
Any questions/ advice is appreciated.
You guys should be getting paid advertising fees by that company
I really need to look into these Quest bars. My current protein bars have 20g of protein with 2g carbs but they taste like shit.And microwaving them does nothing to improve that.
Your comment didn't read like a suggestion for someone to properly get assessed for attention issues, then seek the help of a doctor that can prescribe a pharmaceutical to help them with those issues.
Your "protip" was get some adderal and take it cause its safer than the ingredients in a pre workout supplement.
You guys should be getting paid advertising fees by that company
Dat 18g or so of Fiber along with the delicious makes them far superior!
Interesting. I was led to believe the the concern was that dendrobium was being spiked with other synthetic stimulants. Not so much unlawfully administering amphetamines (considering Phenyl is legal). Well, that and being manufactured in a non-compliant facility, and that the ingredient, dendrobium, is a new dietary ingredient (NDI), which required FDA notification or some shit.
That being said, it appears the lawsuit was thrown out of court. Thus, it seems the claims would be concurrent with potential side effects interacting with caffeine. But considering those side effects have never been conclusively proven - then yeah, who knows. Fuck proprietaries.
Actually that was my suggestion. However, taking them in a responsible manner. I don't see the problem unless you're going to introduce an anti-controlled substance argument.
I mean, lets look at Craze. It contains Dendrobium. Dendrobium contains several chemicals. Some of these chemicals might have effects in the body. They might lower blood pressure, increase blood sugar, and reduce pain. They might also increase the chance of seizure. However, none of these effects have been studied in people (to my knowledge). Therefore, the effects of dendrobium in people are not clear. In addition to some of the other shit it contains.
Meanwhile, psychostimulants like aderall have decades of research. They're proven safe and effective. The amphetamine effect is, quite frankly, an added bonus for some. They can be quite beneficial towards anyone willing to workout for a variety of a reasons.
So when comparing the two; something that might contain amphetamines with potentially a bunch of other hazardous chemicals that haven't been studied, versus a drug with known pathology and mechanisms - I'd almost certainly recommend the latter (costs not withstanding).
I understand the argument. And I think you make a good point. But the other side of that argument would have plenty of valid reasoning as well.
I'm not here to defend either side. I just thought it was interesting that you called a product bioscience and then casually suggested a very "bro" way of getting similar or even better results by just using a prescription drug.
I think you write intelligently and it would be easy for someone less educated then yourself to come in here and just take that advice without consideration to common sense.
I'm not here to defend either side. I just thought it was interesting that you called a product bioscience and then casually suggested a very "bro" way of getting similar or even better results by just using a prescription drug.
I think you write intelligently and it would be easy for someone less educated then yourself to come in here and just take that advice without consideration to common sense.
It's kind of hard to judge anything. The camera is just way too close. Sorry
I will fix this tomorrow. I just worry about someone snatching my phone lol.
That's when you shrug off the weight you're squatting and chase the guy down with your piston legs.
Aye. To be honest, there's really no other way to legally acquire psychostimulants. In fact, chances are unless you're very tight with your doctor (which I was), you're going to have to jump through some hoops. For example, say you want Aderall, -most- responsible doctors will require the opinion of someone in the mental health field first. So chances are you're going to get a referral to a shrink. As long as you don't mind paying the extra co-pay, you would then essentially articulate to them the same thing.
To me, the "bro way" would be asking on craigslist or knowing some dude who wears three chains and sells them in the dorm basement.
Also, one last thing on Craze. I used to take it - a lot. I certainly don't advocate against anyone using it, but -personally- I feel like it's a waste of money. In my opinion, there's certainly cheaper, safer and equally/more effective alternatives available.
FallingEdge
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Or you can embrace it, let it grow, get more swole, and just be Goku.
I prefer this option.
FallingEdge
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Then he can spend 30 minutes in front of the squat rack powering up, leave the gym, and finish his lifts next week.
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Brah, you're set. Make it happen.
Same, although I usually have under armor under it.
MrOogieBoogie
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After a month of wearing a wrist brace, I've finally started working out again (upper-body), and I was wondering if it's normal to experience bruising in the injured area. Is it just because it's still sensitive from prolonged inactivity?
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AdventureRacing
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I'm a back i don't need to worry about that sort of thing (although opposition players seem to hate the 5/8).
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Alien, I see what you mean about LBEB now. Pastor put up a sloppy looking deadlift PR video and he's jumping on anyone that questions his form. He told one guy to get a stronger back, and that guy answered back with a video of himself doing the same weight at 165 pounds with perfect form.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
If anyone was wondering, here's the 165lb guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NokJkB7LWAM
Damn, I just noticed hes using double over hand too. Awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NokJkB7LWAM
Damn, I just noticed hes using double over hand too. Awesome.
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