You won't get huge. 4 months is literally nothing. Just see where you get with some linear progression on your lifts first.
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You won't get huge. 4 months is literally nothing. Just see where you get with some linear progression on your lifts first.
FallingEdge
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You won't get huge. Seriously, you have to work hard to get big, it doesn't just happen. Do you have a pic of what you look like now? A pic of what you want to look like?
Lovely Salsa
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You're telling me I should eat as much as possible. But if I added +1000 calories per day, I'd gain like 15 KGs in 4 months
And I wouldn't get huge from that?
I want to have a lean body with abs showing (somewhat)
And I wouldn't get huge from that?
I want to have a lean body with abs showing (somewhat)
FallingEdge
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Maybe I am missing something but +500 calories a day is fine. Same with +1K. If you feel you are putting on weight too fast, you can always adjust and lower your surplus. I just would like to know what you definition of a "lean body" is and where you are starting from.
I'm sure our definition of "huge" differs as well. Can you post pics of your final goal? And what you look like now?
Chittagong
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Does anyone know how many carbs I am actually supposed to down on a carb nite? Here's my recent carb record, I wonder if I am overdoing it.
You asked how to gain the most muscle possible I gave you the correct answer.
Honestly your attitude sucks dude. You keep getting hit with proper information and then just disregarding it and re-asking the same question.
This is the correct answer. You are a beginner. Quit worrying amount exactly how much to eat, get your ass to the gym, and lift heavy. The terms "bulk" and "cut" are useless to you right now.
You are a beginner. If you haven't taken it serious, that makes you a beginner.
That goal should be a long-term one, not a 6 month goal.
You can't chisel a pebble. You are a pebble.
Doubtful you are overdoing it if you are lifting heavy and hard.
CKD keto carbups for me were 36 hours and over 1,000 grams of carbs during that time.
Lovely Salsa
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Ok I'm going to post 2 shitty pictures of myself in a few min but this is my final goal:
To look as close as to the dude with 10-12% bf
Chittagong
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wow that's a lot of carbs. Maybe I'm ok then. The first 250g is good fun, but then it turns to really hard work, and then I get super tired and asleep. Crazy stuff.
that 12% pic is my goal as well, sweet spot of definition and slickness. Currently maybe just barely below 20.
FallingEdge
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SquiddyCracker
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Ah well, you learn something new every day.
It's a 5 set, 10 rep exercise, but I guess I should still stick to what you guys said.
I do hold my breath when it comes to the deadlift and squat though, so at least I did it right for some stuff.
Lovely Salsa
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Ok the second pic got screwed up so I'm only going to post 1. This is me in relaxed mode:
http://postimg.org/image/7uej1ic0p/
http://postimg.org/image/7uej1ic0p/
Hah not a terrible idea
I think I'll do dips on arm day as well. Might as well. Your triceps can take a beating.
Chittagong
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you look quite lean to me. I would say certainly closer to 15 than 20. Dropping a few percents lower will bring you some benefit of definition but definitely building muscle will bring you the best bang for the buck.
FallingEdge
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Yeah, you are not going to achieve that type of body in 6 months. You have little to no muscle at all. I really would suggest just eating at a 500 calorie surplus and lifting heavy and hard for 6-12 months. Your body will grow and after that period, you can decide what do do from there.
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Deleted member 47027
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Alright breff let me just say this at this point.
You're not going to be happy at the end of 3-4 months no matter what perfect balance with calories in vs your workout you manage. You'll be happiER, but you're not going to get what you want under a year. It's simply not going to happen. To get to the 10-12% picture you said you were after will require significant muscle gain first. Highly recommending a 1k calorie surplus ot 500 if you're really concerned, but if you fall off the wagon on the less of 500 side you'll not be going optimum. Eat extra. Cut it later.
Well Salsa....No easy way to put this other than being upfront and honest with you. Your goal will at least take you 2 years and that is best case scenario. It will probably be closer to three. That's not a bad thing at all BTW. I'm not even sure I look quite as good as your goal and I have been lifting for decades but only with proper knowledge and dedication for about five. There are no shortcuts. If you want it then you can achieve it but don't expect it to be easy. Good luck!
Lovely Salsa
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Ok, thanks for the advices. I think I'll go for 6 months of heavy lifting with +500kcal a day and take it from there
FallingEdge
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oh stfu
we all know about your body and your veins and arms and your grilling
fuck youuuuuuuu
You're cracking me up! I was mostly referring to his abs and bf% but thanks. Never has a fuck you felt so good! lol
Again with the specific numbers. You are a beginner. Eat a ton, lift heavy, see results. You're going to make it even harder to achieve anything with this micromanaging as a beginner.
6 months of heavy lifting with good nutrition and enough sleep will make a very significant impact on your aesthetics and you should be able to grow out of the very skinny physique, just have reasonable expectations; some fitness magazine cover ain't happening unless you go Zyzz Cocktail (which you absolutely should not do). Ideal bodies aren't built in a day. Years of hard work for everyone, but many times that's paired with drugs, and if not drugs then 99th percentile genetics that serve as a replacement.
Worry less about the finish line and more about putting one foot in front of the other and starting the journey of self-improvement. Where you end up at any specific point in time will matter less and less. I know I'm getting stronger and looking better over time, and I look back on morbid obesity and weakness and gain perspective on where I am right now, even if it's not where I want to be ideally.
Amen! You're not going to wake up with 20lbs of fat one day. Eat big and if you notice the fat accumulating a little too much adjust.
FallingEdge
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CherryWoodFuton
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Any opinions on P.A.P.(Post Activations Potentiation) workouts???? I've been thinking about starting those routines (primarily the ones on P90x2) to get better at basketball. Is it based on sound fitness science???
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Deleted member 47027
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since you're not being very specific about what you want to improve, the best way to get better at basketball is to play basketball, a lot.
ViewtifulJC
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yo, dat white bread
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Monday and Tuesdays workouts have been VERY tough. Some of the most tough workouts in the 15 years ive been training.
I think it was mostly damage from the weekend. I was under maintenance on a huge caloric defect since Friday and slept a total of 12 hours from Wednesday night - Sunday night. I was so tired that I couldn't feel my pre workout kick in. I was also so very carb/fat depleted. I was amazing on Thursday where I made sure I got in all my protein and fats.
The rest of the weekend I barley ate. Diet consisted of egg whites, salad and protein shakes till Sunday, where I had some oatmeal and tried to have a refeed day. I kept carbs at pretty much in the double digits because I was drinking all weekend.
Weekend was very hot which destroyed my appetite along with all the events going on.
On a more positive note, everyone at all the day parties were saying I looked ripped or jacked as hell. I looked very vascular. Most vascular ive been since 2007/2008 but with less fat more muscle.
I think it was mostly damage from the weekend. I was under maintenance on a huge caloric defect since Friday and slept a total of 12 hours from Wednesday night - Sunday night. I was so tired that I couldn't feel my pre workout kick in. I was also so very carb/fat depleted. I was amazing on Thursday where I made sure I got in all my protein and fats.
The rest of the weekend I barley ate. Diet consisted of egg whites, salad and protein shakes till Sunday, where I had some oatmeal and tried to have a refeed day. I kept carbs at pretty much in the double digits because I was drinking all weekend.
Weekend was very hot which destroyed my appetite along with all the events going on.
On a more positive note, everyone at all the day parties were saying I looked ripped or jacked as hell. I looked very vascular. Most vascular ive been since 2007/2008 but with less fat more muscle.
Gotta say even with feeling crappy, taking an off week and throwing some pain on my elbow yesterday - I'm crushing it this week. Going up in squats, deads, bench etc. Just throwing that weight on. I attribute this to the inspiration this thread gives me. I definitely do not feel alone in my quest.
Oh god I'm dying over here.
The bread was untouched ;b
Just got back from preserving my gains
Oh lawd now I'm salivating. Please come soon September. Cheat day not even once
Do you just not like PB or nuts? I agree those you listed are good. Argh can't wait till I can have them again.
i dont know, something about the texture bothered me. i think it reminded me too much of old school power bars. i finished my case, but never again.
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Deleted member 47027
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Cinnamon Roll Quest is top tier, especially heated. Shit is a virtual dessert.
I did that when I first started lifting. I ate somewhere in the region of 3,500 calories a day, I did Starting Strength, and I was very dedicated to my workouts. Result? I ended up putting on a ton of weight and fat fucking myself, leaving myself in a worse situation than when I started. Yes, I put on some muscle and I got stronger, but it wasn't enough to make up for the masses of fat I put on. Cutting back down to an acceptable weight took a bloody long time.
Handing out bland cookie cutter advice like the advice you're giving is bad. It may have worked for you, but it's not going to work for everyone.
Must be a form issue, bud. Got any vids of you squatting?
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Deleted member 47027
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Were you a chunk when you began?
No. I was skinny fat. Around 18-20% fat at 200lbs and a height of 6ft3.
From what I've read, the body is predisposed to put on more fat than muscle when at body fats higher than 15%. As such, for maximal muscle gain with minimal fat gain, it's best to cut down to 10-12% body fat before slowly bulking up to 15%, before cutting back down to 10-12% and repeating the cycle all over again.
Lyle Mcdonald has an article about this here - http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/initial-body-fat-and-body-composition-changes.html
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Deleted member 47027
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*strokes his imaginary beard and nods*
It depends, true skinny fats should bulk first but they should know their TDEE and do it right and not go overboard.
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