They did just fine
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They did just fine
To be fair the problem wasn't the marshalls but the lack of opportunities to get the car away (same problem happens in Monaco and to a lesser extend singapore).
PdotMichael
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There was like one case when a car needed to moved out of the track. The real problem was that there was no coordination of cleaning the track despite a SC.
What a fucking crazy race. Disappointed in the overall result, but Ricciardo recovering well and seeing Stroll on the podium is a silver lining of sorts.
Vettel's move was totally stupid. No idea if Hamilton brake-tested him like he claims, but what Vettel did was completely transparent from the replay footage. I would have loved to see him get DSQ, but a 10-second stop/go hopefully acknowledges that Vettel was primarily to blame. Vettel coming out ahead of Hamilton after the penalty just added insult to injury.
Utterly livid at the headrest thing. Hamilton would have cruised to victory if it weren't for that.
Hopefully Hamilton can bounce back in Austria.
Vettel's move was totally stupid. No idea if Hamilton brake-tested him like he claims, but what Vettel did was completely transparent from the replay footage. I would have loved to see him get DSQ, but a 10-second stop/go hopefully acknowledges that Vettel was primarily to blame. Vettel coming out ahead of Hamilton after the penalty just added insult to injury.
Utterly livid at the headrest thing. Hamilton would have cruised to victory if it weren't for that.
Hopefully Hamilton can bounce back in Austria.
They red flagged the race because of debris.
Craziest race of the season. If anyone bet on that podium they'd be rich now.
Can't believe I was cheering for Stroll at some point.
I want Vettel to win the championship over Lewis but that angry stunt was disgraceful.
Verstappen, Massa and the force Indias will chew on today's missed opportunities for quite a while.
Can't believe I was cheering for Stroll at some point.
I want Vettel to win the championship over Lewis but that angry stunt was disgraceful.
Verstappen, Massa and the force Indias will chew on today's missed opportunities for quite a while.
theignoramus
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The contact was caused by his decision to pull alongside Hamilton and gesticulate angrily. Whether the contact was deliberate or not, it still stemmed from reckless driving and it's still a bad look for him.
My view on the incident. I am not a "fan" of both. So i think i am not biased on that.
Lewis slowed down indeed. But it was not that much. Also when you see the replays. Lewis isnt paying attention to Vettel really. Watching mirrors etc so i doubt he was planning a brake check.
Vettel was also really close to Hamilton his rear. Like really close. So it was his own risk of being so close.
After that Vettel passed him and side swept Hamilton. Thats pretty clear. Hamilton only was going straight. Again not even paying attention to Vettel really. And then bam Vettel comes from the left and slams him.
Lewis slowed down indeed. But it was not that much. Also when you see the replays. Lewis isnt paying attention to Vettel really. Watching mirrors etc so i doubt he was planning a brake check.
Vettel was also really close to Hamilton his rear. Like really close. So it was his own risk of being so close.
After that Vettel passed him and side swept Hamilton. Thats pretty clear. Hamilton only was going straight. Again not even paying attention to Vettel really. And then bam Vettel comes from the left and slams him.
Risk Breaker
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When did he admit he did it on purpose?
Are you referring to the Sky interview? Because he was talking about the rear contact when he said "he slowed down so I hit him".
A gif would better show what was going on. Hamilton was working his tires and brakes like everyone else does behind a safety car. Vettel was too aggressive before it was actual go time.
PdotMichael
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It's not the first time that the stewards give relative weak punishment for something if the other driver was at fault at well.
Also without Lewis unrelated exta pit stop he would have gained more than with at least a 10s penalty (break testing and causing a collision) and a DSQ for Vettel.
Also without Lewis unrelated exta pit stop he would have gained more than with at least a 10s penalty (break testing and causing a collision) and a DSQ for Vettel.
PdotMichael
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Braking after a slow corner is not a way of getting heat in your tyres. We haven't seen that move in all SC phases for a reason.
Business
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Today's penalty is a joke, he got what others get for racing incidents. Then again he got away with yelling fuck off to the race director so it shouldn't be a surprise. A true gentleman, again.
Braking Bad(ly)
Look at his onboard. Exact same pattern for hundreds of meters before Vettel went into the back of his car. There was no brake test from Hamilton.
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Vilix
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Indy Light is the only race showing up on Dish today.
nature boy
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3 points away from a race ban
3 points away from a race ban
IIRC points drop off after 12 months - how old are the oldest points he has?
Silverstone.
GrizzleBoy
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I think he'll be dripping a couple by Silverstone.
brotkasten
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I assume it's the last time we'll do this bet since Ferrari can't keep up with Mercedes anymore. So you can do as you please and even pick one of yours if you like.
PdotMichael
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Well, it wasn't a break testing in the sense that he wanted Vettel to drive into him that would be quite silly. It was an attempt of getting a gap to the SC in a point and not give the other drivers the oppurtunity to gain any momentum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M2PcFEqhYc
It's just Vettel's onboard but you can see the braking happened (see the screenshot above) at the exit of the corner. That's not something you normally do.
Standard stuff that all leaders do when the Safety Car period ends. Also notice how Vettel doesn't keep a gap to Hamilton like everyone else in the frame does.
Sorry, but Vettel was in the wrong even if Hamilton could have handled the leading a bit better.
PdotMichael
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It's still racing so not keeping a gap is not really an excuse. In fact we see that all the time when the SC is coming in.
Upon second look, Vettel was indeed too close. I still think Hamilton shouldn't have braked at that point of the corner, but otherwise, Seb could have avoided that by being half a length back.
PdotMichael
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"in the road" is the key part here. There is a reason why brake testing as dangerous driving is a term in racing.
GrizzleBoy
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Lolshock
PdotMichael
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Well, braking at the beginning of the corner exit obviously influenced Vettel's later punishment.
So at the end of the corner?
Imagine if this was Schumacher or Alonso?
Death becomes them!
That's interesting - do they fall off *before* the race in Silverstone, or after? Curious whether he's got one 'danger race' or two.
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