The driver penalties are not satisfactory to the fans. I think it makes more sense to go with constructor penalties as it also doubles as a possible financial penalty (finishing lower and receiving less prize money). Make it simple: if a car is using more components than allowed then it can't earn constructors points in the race that those components were installed.
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Formula 1 2017 Season |OT| Japanese Horror Story - Sundays on Sky
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bobnowhere
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Fines for using more than the allotted amount of a component should go straight to teams that haven't over used components. F1 Socialism!
As a McLaren fan since 1996, and one who wanted Honda to succeed I will say this about your fan fiction:
Fuck Honda, and Fuck You.
We are long past Honda being the engine supplier that can come in and dominate the sport. Sure, they may finally turn it around next year but they've lost any trust that they can.
McLaren need to move to Renault until 2020, and plan with a new manufacture to come in with the new regulations after that as a new works partner.
This has the potential of a small team paying money to a big team.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Japanese media says Honda still won't provide the financial package to Toro Rosso that McLaren recieve and Red Bull are demanding, no switch will take place. The plan for next season is still to supply McLaren.
Looks like McLaren will have to pay Honda, RedBull and Renault millions upon millions to use the French manufacturers sloppy thirds to keep that cunt Alonso - what a deal 👌
Looks like McLaren will have to pay Honda, RedBull and Renault millions upon millions to use the French manufacturers sloppy thirds to keep that cunt Alonso - what a deal 👌
People seem to have short memories. It wasn't that long ago that Renault were the bete noir of engine manufacturers and RBR were constantly losing their shit over how they couldn't win every race.
Now it's Honda's turn. They'll leave McLaren, and, with less pressure and more development, they will likely come good. Irrespective of their current performance, their 1980s machines were magical and driven by some of the best drivers of all time. It would be a shame to forget that because they haven't done well in recent times.
Jezbollah
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I mean, lets be real about Honda here. Even in their height of F1 success they really havent been that committed to F1 in the long term. They are disloyal and aren't afraid of bolting when the heat gets too much.
They didnt look back when they bolted Williams for McLaren for 1988, leaving Williams to run a shitty Judd V8. They pulled out of F1 at the end of 1992 in the same fashion leaving McLaren and Senna to run a Ford Cosworth V8 against the dominant Renault V10 in that Williams. Then when they did come back as a maker several years later, they had another disaster with BAR before taking them over (and dumping Jordan with another shitty Ford).
And then they pull out of F1 at the end of 2008, leaving their own team in limbo with a car that they spent all their resources on - that ironically was dominant in a year of new rules (albeit with a customer Mercedes engine deal).
And now it's their own team wanting to pull the plug on them - the shoe is on the other foot and the Japanese aren't happy. Here's the life lesson: You are only as good as your last result. And Honda are fucking pathetic at the moment.
They didnt look back when they bolted Williams for McLaren for 1988, leaving Williams to run a shitty Judd V8. They pulled out of F1 at the end of 1992 in the same fashion leaving McLaren and Senna to run a Ford Cosworth V8 against the dominant Renault V10 in that Williams. Then when they did come back as a maker several years later, they had another disaster with BAR before taking them over (and dumping Jordan with another shitty Ford).
And then they pull out of F1 at the end of 2008, leaving their own team in limbo with a car that they spent all their resources on - that ironically was dominant in a year of new rules (albeit with a customer Mercedes engine deal).
And now it's their own team wanting to pull the plug on them - the shoe is on the other foot and the Japanese aren't happy. Here's the life lesson: You are only as good as your last result. And Honda are fucking pathetic at the moment.
Honda haven't made a competitive engine since 2004.
Their engine before they left the sport in 2008 was easily the worst in the sport at the time.
People have longer memories than you think. Besides, McLaren won't win a WCC with Renault either but the certainty it creates will at least provide a platform for the management to lure a new manufacture in 2020.
If Honda continue the path of making engines that can't last 2 races, there won't be a McLaren team to save because people will go elsewhere and worse, new engineering talent will not want to join.
Better to have an assured decent engine than the promise of progress, given that Honda have fucked up 3 times in a row.
I want some odds on ALonso not having any drive (let alone a competitive one) next year. Big teams won't have/don't want him (even Renault FFS) and no-one else can afford him. If Honda pull out of McLaren, where does that leave the resident comedian of F1?
Red Bull TAG Heurereere boss Christian Horner is going to try and get the planned "3 engines per season" dropped for next year, his second attempt. He believes that after Monza he can get more support. Says nobody is saving money as they are still buying the engines and carting them all over the world anyway, and that maybe going back to 5 per season would be best.
McLaren seem confident of him staying which I think indicated they are expecting to get Renault engines and so Alonso sings on. He might have to take a pay cut with no huge money coming in though. Just change the contract so he get more if he gets points.
McLaren seem confident of him staying which I think indicated they are expecting to get Renault engines and so Alonso sings on. He might have to take a pay cut with no huge money coming in though. Just change the contract so he get more if he gets points.
SkySports has joined the rumor train 48h later than others........
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/32...awn-in-mclaren-renault-toro-rosso-honda-talks
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/32...awn-in-mclaren-renault-toro-rosso-honda-talks
Only if you forget they talked about this during their broadcast last weekend.
nekkid
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Stop dampening the "Sky is shit" narrative!
xrnzaaas
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Man Daniel would fit right in at Ferrari. His Italian is almost perfect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u56LqM5b5U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u56LqM5b5U
Jezbollah
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Dude how can you not love this guy. That smile...
Found out today that like most companies, Ferrari is actually a Dutch company since it was spun off from Fiat.
So... you know.
I kind of want a Will Buxton and Danny Ric talk show. Buxton would die from laughter, it would be great.
Fox Mulder
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Three engines a season is insane. It doesn't cut costs as PUs still have to be engineered for durability. Most of the cost in these complex engines is in R&D.
It looks even more insane when it looks like it might only be Mercedes that can even get close to only using 3 a PUs a season.
Ferrari might just make it too, but everyone has been expecting them to need some penalties some time soon.
I think that only Mercedes factory team would make it with three engines.
Norwegian Rudo
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Wax Free Vanilla
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Honda's Yamamoto yesterday says they are still in discussions with Red Bull and McLaren. Had a meeting on Monday with the bossman of Honda.
Says stories about Red Bull demanding same deal as McLaren are false, their demands are reasonable. Him and Hasegawa happy to make switch, but it all depends on a final decision from the top.
Says stories about Red Bull demanding same deal as McLaren are false, their demands are reasonable. Him and Hasegawa happy to make switch, but it all depends on a final decision from the top.
xrnzaaas
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Speaking of Honda, I had a nice laugh after reading this:
https://wtf1.com/post/mclarens-honda-engine-is-also-broken-in-the-f1-2017-game/
Can anyone confirm it's true? If so I hope they'll keep it that way or at least add some "GP2 Engine" option to career settings.
https://wtf1.com/post/mclarens-honda-engine-is-also-broken-in-the-f1-2017-game/
Can anyone confirm it's true? If so I hope they'll keep it that way or at least add some "GP2 Engine" option to career settings.
Jezbollah
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Dutch Gronk
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Played half a season, put all my research points into the engine....
Fucking Mclaren (It's just too perfect)
JadedWriter
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Fucking lol.
Absolutely barbaric!
brotkasten
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Seems accurate.
PdotMichael
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Are quite okay, especially they have less calories than the normal variants.
Always have two cans of them in my car.
Always have two cans of them in my car.
FrankCanada97
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I don't know how anyone can drink all these different energy drinks. I can't even handle the caffeine in coffee. A good night's sleep is all I've ever needed.
Psychotext
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I drink insane amounts of coffee, but those energy drinks taste like ass. I guess you have to condition yourself over time to deal with anything that sweet.
Han Seoul-Oh
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So they're going to try and make the halo as hideous as possible...
marvelharvey
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Only if you win at Bathurst and get the polka dot halo.
FrankCanada97
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They should award a green halo for the driver who most often leads at the halfway point of the race. Or a white halo for the highest placed driver in the championship under 26 years old.
frontieruk
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Can we have a red halo for the driver with the most crashes?
Lemonte
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https://twitter.com/GrandPrixDiary/status/906094020803383299
edit. Guess it's not that big deal. He just changed banner image. Nothing else...
xrnzaaas
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It'll be reserved for when Maldonado makes his comeback
Looking like a wet DTM race on the Nürburgring in a few minutes. Live stream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67rEoOuvG0Y
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