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Formula 1 2017 Season |OT| Japanese Horror Story - Sundays on Sky
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DarkJediKnight
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I'm glad Palmer's going out. He belongs in sports cars not F1. I wish him a good career because he seems like a genuinely nice guy. But you have to show moments of brilliance despite car issues. He hasn't shown this at all. Kind of reminds me of Bruno Senna.
His only way of catching attention was not getting obliterated by Hulk in like one race weekend total.
He had his chance.
Motorsport-Total also reports Red Bull could switch to Honda engines in 2019: http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/...el-sorgt-fuer-formel-1-erdbeben-17090906.html
Palmer goes and nothing of value will be lost. Will be a shame Renault won't have a slot for Kubica tho after all the testing they've done for him.
Yeah everyone has expected that kind of deal. If Honda become not shit then RedBull get a works deal and a veto on new customers.
Yagami_Sama
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What a plot. A lot of changes. And poor Palmer.
At least Wax will be able to continue blaming the gear box to justify the Engine failures.
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At least Wax will be able to continue blaming the gear box to justify the Engine failures.
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Well at least we know now that the end game is in sight. I'll be glad to see McLaren working their way back up the grid with the Renault engine, while Renault will have a strong line up for next year at least. Palmer has to go, he hasn't shown any improvements this year, and I strongly suspect that Kubica will go to Williams next year. I doubt Massa is going to hang around next year and if not, We'll probably see Kubica in LMP1 racing for WEC. Now THAT I'd like to see for next year's Le Man 24 Hours.
Wax Free Vanilla
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If the switch happens RedBull will be doing the gearbox according to Horner, so with McLaren's shoddy gearbox out of the picture we'll see a 95% drop in PU problems.
Jezbollah
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Amazing.
I feel like Mark Ruffalo on Shutter Island.
FrankCanada97
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Gasly only has one conflict with Super Formula during the US Grand Prix. Is it assumed that he will be in the Toro Rosso for the remainder if Sainz goes to Renault this year?
Jezbollah
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Feel for Palmer a bit, he doesnt have the pace but he seems like a swell guy and I'm always sad when his engineer tells him to retire the car and he's like 'Oh...ok'
Palmer is talented, but that plateaued at winning the GP2 series. He'd do well to go into WEC or IndyCar. Reminds me of another Justin Wilson.
Fox Mulder
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They'll have the option to if Honda is good enough. Redbull is stuck until the new engine formula, as they're denied the two best engines, so this is the best they can do. They can stay with the current Renault deal, hope Honda gets good, and maybe the new rules attract Porsche or Audi.
It really is the best deal for them. McLaren was stuck between a rock and a hardplace, but with RBR having STR for the beta testing, they now have options going forward, if Honda doesnt work out, nothing of value is lost.
Haryanto wasnt that bad, certainly gave Wehrlein some competition.
Matsushita is so good he is in his third GP2 season and yet still somehow does not have enough points to get an F1 superlicense.
JadedWriter
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Palmer will not be missed. That one interview I saw of him whinging about the car post qualifying was all I needed to see of him.
I can't remember when this was said, as it might have been during one of the broadcasts Sky Sports F1 did, but allegedly Kvyat is being held at Toro Rosso as a warning to drivers in Red Bull Young Driver program in what happens if you screw up in the Top Team race seat.
Fox Mulder
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Or they just need him where he is.
Redbull might lose Ricciardo and or Verstappen in the next few years. They just gave Sainz to Renault and Gasly likely gets pulled up. They can't really afford to just drop Kvyat too.
FrankCanada97
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Matsushita is competent but inconsistent. Being outscored by Nicholas Latifi while being in a top team this late in the season should be ringing some alarm bells. If you want to support an Asian driver, I believe that the Thai F2 driver Alex Albon has more potential than Matsushita. He was runner-up to Leclerc in a tight GP3 championship battle.
And given Helmut Marko's recent comments about the Red Bull junior team's current drivers, it seems like they're aren't likely moving anyone else up in the near future.
He spent his 3 GP2/F2 year with ART, arguably one of the best team
2015
Vandoorne's teammate in his first year, 1 win (sprint race) + 2 podiums (1 sprint/1 feature) 1 fastest lap, ended 9th with 68.5pt while Vandoorne won the title with 341.5pts
2016
Sirotkin's teammate, 1 win (sprint race), 1 podium (feature race), 4 fastest lap, slightly more consistent, ended 11th with 92pts while Sirotkin ended 3rd with 159pts
2017
Albon's teammate, 2 wins (sprint races), 2 podiums (feature races), 2 fastest lap, more consistent, currently 6th with 115pts while Albon is 10th with 66pts.
So he's not trash, he's not a top F2 driver either, I didn't see most of the races but I do think he tends to crash regularly (or maybe that's just the japanese stigma that makes me think that) he doesn't improve much after 3 complete years in the same category, maybe if he had a 4th year he would be able to win the title.
He's somewhere in the ballpark of Leimer, Palmer, Coletti and Valsecchi.
Honda might one day get less shit. I'm not sure that they'll catch Ferrari or Mercedes before the engine refresh, but they might not break every race by then.
With their current performance, who would want to be tied to them for the refresh when it rolls around?
DarkJediKnight
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Feel for Palmer a bit, he doesnt have the pace but he seems like a swell guy and I'm always sad when his engineer tells him to retire the car and he's like 'Oh...ok
I do too. He seems like a good lad. But F1 is about speed and money. Unless you bring in a lot of money, you better have speed. He doesn't have either.
I seem to remember him crashing a lot, including one in the pitlane but I could be making that one up.
Yeah Matsushita doesn't sound promising.
Yeah, he's started to absolutely dominate that series. Looking forward to seeing him in F2 next season.
PdotMichael
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We aren't in the early 90's anymore, when there was so much money pumped by Japanese investors that Japan even got a second GP.
Japan has right now no talented single-seat racing driver, so everything is highly unlikely.
Japan has right now no talented single-seat racing driver, so everything is highly unlikely.
Jezbollah
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I still think Honda's current F1 program was half baked for years - what they are doing now should have been done in private before they officially re-entered.
Re Alex Albon - he's good - but it's his debut year. I think he'll be better next year. But Honda dont want Asian - they want Japanese. And Japanese only. If they put a driver in that seat (if that happens - I can only imagine they'll do it if they're paying STR what they're paying McLaren now...) then it will be Matushita or Fukuzumi.
I dont think Honda will pay STR that McLaren money though - so I suspect Kyvat will keep his seat if he brings any Russian money in at all.
FrankCanada97
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Yeah, there doesn't seem to be many exceptional Japanese talents coming up the feeder series'. The two in F3 are field fillers. Does anyone know if there are any standouts in the Japanese F4 series?
You sure you're not mixing him up with chicken expert Sean Gelael? I'm pretty sure he crashed in the pits at Abu Dhabi a few years ago.
PdotMichael
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Another Taki Inoue would be something though.
Nope, I was half right.
https://youtu.be/8ZPplKJZ5TQ?t=21s
Wasn't entirely his fault though lol, someone sent him out into the Haas.
FrankCanada97
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Oh, you were talking about Haryanto my bad. Speaking of Indonesian drivers, I remembered that Gelael for some strange reason will begin his run of four free practice sessions in Singapore.
dl77
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Another Taki Inoue would be something though.
Lol, still remember that back in the day.
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