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[saladine1]

Imo, Turn 10 did the right thing by starting from scratch. Consistency, quality should be the goal. Yes, FM4 assets looks great and could've made the jump to FM5 but it would still look out of place. I understand that they had to make certain sacrifices in content to achieve all of that.
But, with such a low number of cars/tracks, the DLC should not be in place. It just shouldn't regardless of business models and strategies. This was the perfect time and situation to leave that MS reputation at the door and offer up a complete experience from the get go.
This has no doubt damaged the rep of Turn 10, even if it wasn't their decision. Not only is Gaf in an uproar, but the official forums is as well. I haven't seen such a backlash over Forza. Die-hard fans and interested parties alike are up in arms over this. People haven't been this vocal before so it does prove something is amiss.

Forza is a great series. The creators and development team are truly passionate and inspiring people. It's sad to see all of these people's reactions but it's hard to blame them at the same time.
It really needs to be rectified in any capacity.
Be it an inclusion of planned DLC or at the very least, a good reduction in price.

Perhaps I'm exaggerating the situation. Maybe, maybe not. But it'll be interesting to see how Turn 10/ MS reacts to this. I really hope for their sake that they have some good news planned. I really do..

 

[LeBoef]

any words on custom online lobbies?

 

[Xanadu]

Imo, Turn 10 did the right thing by starting from scratch. Consistency, quality should be the goal. Yes, FM4 assets looks great and could've made the jump to FM5 but it would still look out of place. I understand that they had to make certain sacrifices in content to achieve all of that.
But, with such a low number of cars/tracks, the DLC should not be in place. It just shouldn't regardless of business models and strategies. This was the perfect time and situation to leave that MS reputation at the door and offer up a complete experience from the get go.
This has no doubt damaged the rep of Turn 10, even if it wasn't their decision. Not only is Gaf in an uproar, but the official forums is as well. I haven't seen such a backlash over Forza. Die-hard fans and interested parties alike are up in arms over this. People haven't been this vocal before so it does prove something is amiss.

Forza is a great series. The creators and development team are truly passionate and inspiring people. It's sad to see all of these people's reactions but it's hard to blame them at the same time.
It really needs to be rectified in any capacity.
Be it an inclusion of planned DLC or at the very least, a good reduction in price.

Perhaps I'm exaggerating the situation. Maybe, maybe not. But it'll be interesting to see how Turn 10/ MS reacts to this. I really hope for their sake that they have some good news planned. I really do..

MS needs to 180 once more

 

[jizzlobber]

I'm not what you'd call a hard core racing game fan, I buy one every so often... but forza 5 was THE launch title to go with my xbone pre-order especially with Bathurst confirmed.

But 14 tracks? Man... that's disappointing, some of those will be boring shit like Laguna seca too so you're left with a racing game that's VERY light on content.

Not sure what to do, to buy or not to buy?
I might wait for price drops.

I understand the work which goes into re-doing all that content but at the end of the day we are getting a lot less than we have in the past, racing the same few tracks will soon become a chore.

 

[MoGamesXNA]

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[LeBoef]

@amar regarding dan

I dont know how to say that, but you re seeing too much in dans word. I am not saying he doesnt talk bs, but i dont give it so much weight.
Same goes for kaz. I ve read some interviews where he either sounded like a morron or a guy not able to see the world (other racing games) around him.

But as i said. I dont give these things too much credit. First thing is, they re company leaders and have to do their job. Both deliver great products, so i would say they do it.
Both are giving an high amount of interviews, especially in crunch time and they re not really trained pr folks. So while focused on other stuff, they re doing pr. So its not a surprise for myself that their said words are sometimes very stupid.

One more thing i d like to add is, that both said some things years ago which they see different now. I think thats a good habbit, means you re able to adept and change your view on things. Thats better than thinking you re right and all others are wrong.


At the end its good that they re (especially those 2 characters) around and cant ignore each other. Both products deliver things which have impact on the other. Dont think t10 would laserscan tracks if pd wouldnt do such a good job.
On the long term, we ll get better products and their words are just... Words.


Ps: its a good thing pcars is coming. So far they havent got a real competition on their own console for a long time. Now things will become more interesting and we ll be able to judge their work far better, since the competition is on both consoles.


Sorry if i went too far OT. Just wanted to add my thoughts.

 

[Mascot]

It is called PR.

*snip*

And I finally decided to grant his wish - because after all, it is nice to be courteous.

Great post, Amar. Die-hard apologists certainly don't realise the damage they do to the games they claim to love, but I guess some people find it hard to be objective about something they are so deeply invested in, emotionally and financially. It's a classic form of denial, focusing on the positives and denying significant deficiencies. This thread follows a high school debating model sometimes, with views from one camp consciously and deliberately ignoring those of the opposition.

Since E3 when seeds of doubt started to form about the hardware itself and FM5 as the game to play on it I've found it a lot easier to be objective - and more critical - when discussing this game, its content and the policies and ideology enveloping it. Subjection decreased in tandem with my emotional investment which ultimately led to the carefully-considered decision to delay - maybe indefinitely - my active participation with the franchise.

 

[derFeef]

I can't be disappointed AND looking forward to play the game? Guess I am a bit different since I am not a sim racing geek.

 

[JackAubrey]

The thing is though, sad as I am about the number of tracks - I'd take a cut-down Forza 5 over any other console racing game that's been released in the last year. I know everyone has a different expectation of what they would be satisfied with - for me another four or five tracks would round out the game for me in terms of it being a launch release. If we get those over the next few months then the game will probably last as long as Forza 4 did for me. If not, maybe it'll be a game I play for a year rather than two years.

What else is there on console? Grid 2 - that stinks. Need for Speed - fun but not the same at all. For the console gamer who likes a bit of realism in their racing game we really don't have a packed genre. The cost of development and licenses means we have big name games and little else.

pCars - great game on PC so far, but I still don't think when it's finished will be as good as Forza. Has many more tracks, but I doubt the car count will be as high. I'm really glad it's coming to next-gen though as GT and Forza have things too cozy as neither has a rival on its own hardware. pCars and GT will push the next Forza to have realtime change of day and weather which I know many of you really want (I never race at night due to peculiar issues with my eyesight but I still like a choice of time of day).

Sorry, rambling post - only just got up.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

It is called PR.

And am I constraining myself to reply on your nonsenses here for pages and pages now, but now it is not even funny. I do not have a slightest idea how old are you and what is your background, but I can tell you that your replies are sometimes beyond insulting for the common sense of the intelligent people.

Many of us came to NeoGaf because we found something very unique here, especially in the field of driving games. It is called objectivity and constructive criticism. We have been here for years now, some of us (like myself for instance) needed some time to understand the behaviors and way how things are dealt here, but today I find NeoGaf as the most constructive and objective place to discuss driving games. Interesting, isn't it.

All of us have our preferences, I am probably most known for my love towards Gran Turismo, but to be honest, my favorite driving game of all times is F355 Challenge - and I am driving all games on all platforms for decades now. Some guys here are PC drivers for decades, some are Forza lovers, some are GT fans - but somehow we all come together. Damn, even I and Shinn found some silenced mutual understanding after years, despite all differences we had (and I hope he will be back soon). Not even to speak about Iknos, Solal and other great guys who were - just like I was years ago - sometimes too defensive about something.

But this, what you are doing, this is taking everything to a whole new level. I am watching you here for months, since our own great "RUFgate" and you have been very entertaining, I give you that - especially with your rants over NeoGaf on the other forums while you were banned. But your dancing in the waters of blindness have surpassed even those I originally attributed to my good friend Iknos in the legendary GT vs. Forza thread.

What you are doing here the whole day today is something I originally elaborated in the first FM5 thread where I said how behavior of the Forza fanbase is really getting worrisome because it that does nothing else but vocally points out the various perceived shortcomings of Gran Turismo compared to Forza when faced with criticism of fields where Forza series has been stagnant. You are the perfect example. What you do here all day is trying to do damage control of something every Forza fan should be absolutely mad about with Gran Turismo 5. Please, man.

Should I point you (again) on the very words of the Dan Greenawalt prior to very Forza 4 release on X360 regarding possibility to have day/night and rain in FM4 on X360 hardware in 2011? You know, the man that was speaking about "buton passing", "definitive definitive definitive" and such nonsense?

Here, read, from the very Forzamotorsport.net interview:


From the Eurogamer interview:


What do you have to say on all that? Years after those interviews? After dozens million dollars spent? After tens of thousands of man hours invested? What is the 2013 result we should go and spend 700 euros - without new wheel - just to be able to play?

What do you say about what they did on X360 wheel support? About famous - probably most famous - saying that "night driving" and "pitstops" are rather minor details? Also, I really have to highlight again the super-ego-trip of passing the baton, just take a look at those words used:



Because, you see, I am Forza fan. I have been playing Forza avidly since Forza 2. I have bought 2 damn X360 to play Forza, I invested hundreds (not FM5 "hundreds", but more then few HUNDREDS EURO - not dollars) euro - in the Forza Motorsport series and I am proud owner of FM2/FM3/FM4 LCE's, FM3 GOTY, Forza Horizon and have shovel down hundreds of euro to MS throat for Gold so I can play Forza with my friends and other great drivers I've met.

And for years I am listening to that same guy speaking nonsense with his smug attitude - excuse me Helios if you are reading this, I am speaking only as a fan here - where everything is nothing but large bag of PR talk. Why are you buying that? Why are you trying to downplay the fact they first said all tracks will be laser scanned, and later they've admitted they will not be. Oh, yeah, some will be laser scanned, but some will be "surfaced scanned", including fictional tracks? What kind of nonsense is that? Also, yeah, we remodeled all cars from the ground up. No, you did not. Why are you saying things that are not accurate? And now all this in the past few days, I can't even get myself to comment on this because it is crazy.

Here, read my original reply to Paladin - sorry Paladin to use this as example - regarding my opinion why Forza series needs fans that should wake up.

Yeah, I am probably not going to buy Forza 5. I will not be missed apparently. And trust me that I am deeply honest when I say am deeply disappointed and sad when I see what has Forza series become since the greatness and potential that were FM2 and FM3 to today. Big congratulations to Playground Games (despite the fact how Gavin Raeburn - TOCA and CMR undertaker - is leading the project) for their job on Horizon - that was a great new game - but what we - long-time loyal fans of Forza - are witnessing today with the mainline series is really shameful.

You should understand my position a bit better now, and I also hope a similar position of other people here that are being vocal regarding this situation. You are really sounding like someone who is doing damage control from unknown motifs. And if you ask "why", then please read again everything I said above. All regarding Turn10 have always been PR and nothing but PR. I know there are great people that work there, very competent, very knowledgeable and with AAAA knowledge of their job - my personal congratulations to them and to their astounding work for this franchise.

But this guy... man. He has no single dime of respect towards all of us that have been avid fans of the series he is directing and producing for more than a decade now. And that is the main problem. He treats us like we are not intelligent people, but only an obstacle in his PR crusade where inaccuracy said thousand times becomes a truth. He obviously does not think we are people who love and share passion for cars and that want to have good relationship with franchise they love. Constructive relationship. Permanent two-way-benefitial relationship. From everything I read from him in years, all he want is that we do not exist. And I finally decided to grant his wish - because after all, it is nice to be courteous.

Amazing post.

Bolded Turn 10's bullshit. Why are they lying, not even PR straight up lying. First all tracks are laser scanned then oh well some are. Okay so why are fantasy tracks taken off? They say they have remodelled everything yet its very dubious if they even have.

I don't see why people still believe Dan Greenawalt. He's not even PR. Just straight up horse shit. I remember that time where he said Forza 3 had a physics engine years ahead of any sim racer even on the PC.

 

[Xanadu]

Great post, Amar. Die-hard apologists certainly don't realise the damage they do to the games they claim to love, but I guess some people find it hard to be objective about something they are so deeply invested in, emotionally and financially.

seriously if everyone was like forgtguy the series would be at a standstill, ive not seen one negative comment from him from this whole situation, when the track list was revealed it was "to be expected for a launch game" yet he ignores the fact they are holding MUCH needed content back for DLC..incredible honestly

 

[adelante]

I can't be disappointed AND looking forward to play the game? Guess I am a bit different since I am not a sim racing geek.

Makes two of us. Guess we can kinda seek comfort in knowing that our purchases continue to make Forza a worthwhile franchise investment for MS. Hope FM6 brings the rest of you lot back in.

 

[benzy]

seriously if everyone was like forgtguy the series would be at a standstill, ive not seen one negative comment from him from this whole situation, when the track list was revealed it was "to be expected for a launch game" yet he ignores the fact they are holding MUCH needed content back for DLC..incredible honestly

He's always been this way too, lol. Ever since I read his posts at Forzacentral when it was still a pretty new forum, he'll pretty much ignore what other people actually see with their eyes and hear with their ears. He'll believe anything coming out from T10 and Dan's mouth; a true Forza patriot. =P

 

[Xanadu]

He's always been this way too, lol. Ever since I read his posts at Forzacentral when it was still a pretty new forum, he'll pretty much ignore what other people actually see with their eyes and hear with their ears. He'll believe anything coming out from T10 and Dan's mouth; a true Forza patriot. =P

ive known him since forza 2 lol, but i expected even a little bit of disappointment from him, but he really is uncrackable

 

[saladine1]

seriously if everyone was like forgtguy the series would be at a standstill, ive not seen one negative comment from him from this whole situation, when the track list was revealed it was "to be expected for a launch game" yet he ignores the fact they are holding MUCH needed content back for DLC..incredible honestly

You know, if the game ONLY had 200 cars and 14 tracks, I wouldn't be as disappointed. I would totally understand the situation if that was the case. If that was all you could do, fine, I'll accept that and move on.
But that they are holding back content to sell you later, THIS, THIS is what I have a problem with.
The "it's a launch title so you can't expect the world" excuse completely collapses when taking the aforementioned into account...

I'm tired and depleted

 

[hardvibes]

seriously if everyone was like forgtguy the series would be at a standstill, ive not seen one negative comment from him from this whole situation, when the track list was revealed it was "to be expected for a launch game" yet he ignores the fact they are holding MUCH needed content back for DLC..incredible honestly

Is he still around?

 

[p3tran]

Goodmorning!

**** TWO WEEKS LEFT!! GET READY YOU MICROSOFT COCK SUCKERS!!! ****

Sal, in exactly fifteen days I will be raping your stupid aussie cars in bathurst with a fucking gti! ;ppPp
start dealing with it 8)

 

[Xanadu]

Goodmorning!

**** TWO WEEKS LEFT!! GET READY YOU MICROSOFT COCK SUCKERS!!! ****

Sal, in exactly fifteen days I will be raping your stupid aussie cars in bathurst with a fucking gti! ;ppPp
start dealing with it 8)

call them cocksuckers while throwing your wallet at them, they dont mind!

 

[NoPiece]

But 14 tracks? Man... that's disappointing, some of those will be boring shit like Laguna seca too so you're left with a racing game that's VERY light on content.

Man I loved Laguna Seca the first 359 times I raced it (going back to 2005 & Forza One), but I have to agree, the mere mention of it now doesn't just make me bored, it actively makes me cringe.

 

[p3tran]

call them cocksuckers while throwing your wallet at them, they dont mind!

actually I was refering to other guys jumping in day 1!

we had the "lesson" conversation yesterday, you re-read that, not do the discussion again today

 

[derFeef]

Amazing post.

Bolded Turn 10's bullshit. Why are they lying, not even PR straight up lying. First all tracks are laser scanned then oh well some are. Okay so why are fantasy tracks taken off? They say they have remodelled everything yet its very dubious if they even have.

I don't see why people still believe Dan Greenawalt. He's not even PR. Just straight up horse shit. I remember that time where he said Forza 3 had a physics engine years ahead of any sim racer even on the PC.

Why are you especially so invested in this, if I may ask?

 

[p3tran]

Why are you especially so invested in this, if I may ask?

well, some people have virtual interest

also, worth remembering that kaz is not an angel too.
in fact he was the one starting the shit flicking, back when turn10 had a fully featured game out, and when he was asked in interviews about forza features he lacked, he pleaded ignorance of forza (really? heh kaz try harder) and even went on record on a published article spewing shit about gt being a rolex with limited functions, when compared to a ...casio electronic watch. (forza being the casio, and his "rolex" out of sight at the time
and these pr shit aside, he never delivers on time, plus this time its a good plain "cool guys, but fu" to the core, since he easily prefered going for dat large casual moneygrab on ps3, rather that really pushing his core audience to nextgen, in fact he keeps them locked down to ps3. praise worthy, right?

but some people like to not being objective about these things.... who gives a shit anyway..

 

[Shaneus]

Funny (or not so funny?) thing with the car modelling is, we've known for a while that their existing models could look outstanding and genuinely "next gen" with a new shader/lighting technique (or engine or whatever). I couldn't find the thread/posts on GAF, but I found it on GTPlanet with what could be done with decent *enough* models and a good engine:

If T10 really did spend most of their time rescanning and remodelling the existing cars, I'd say (stating the obvious, already been said already etc.) that they were wasting their time... especially if it was only so every car could be Autovista'd.

 

[hardvibes]

well, some people have virtual interest

also, worth remembering that kaz is not an angel too.
in fact he was the one starting the shit flicking, back when turn10 had a fully featured game out, and when he was asked in interviews about forza features he lacked, he pleaded ignorance of forza (really? heh kaz try harder) and even went on record on a published article spewing shit about gt being a rolex with limited functions, when compared to a ...casio electronic watch. (forza being the casio, and his "rolex" out of sight at the time
and these pr shit aside, he never delivers on time, plus this time its a good plain "cool guys, but fu" to the core, since he easily prefered going for dat large casual moneygrab on ps3, rather that really pushing his core audience to nextgen, in fact he keeps them locked down to ps3. praise worthy, right?

but some people like to not being objective about these things.... who gives a shit anyway..

Source?
I read most of Kaz's interviews and I don't remember any of what you say.

I think you are exaggerating a little bit.

 

[derFeef]

well, some people have virtual interest

also, worth remembering that kaz is not an angel too.
in fact he was the one starting the shit flicking, back when turn10 had a fully featured game out, and when he was asked in interviews about forza features he lacked, he pleaded ignorance of forza (really? heh kaz try harder) and even went on record on a published article spewing shit about gt being a rolex with limited functions, when compared to a ...casio electronic watch. (forza being the casio, and his "rolex" out of sight at the time
and these pr shit aside, he never delivers on time, plus this time its a good plain "cool guys, but fu" to the core, since he easily prefered going for dat large casual moneygrab on ps3, rather that really pushing his core audience to nextgen, in fact he keeps them locked down to ps3. praise worthy, right?

but some people like to not being objective about these things.... who gives a shit anyway..

I'd like to hear hit from him (or her, sorry I don't know).
We all hate those practices, I don't think there is need to argue about that, it's bullshit for us customers and it hurts the brand, as we see.

Yet there are some people that clearly had no intention to play that game anyway and just waited for the inevetible bad news so they can start to move the topic again, as if there are no problems on the other side.

 

[p3tran]

I don't trust without source.

I think you are exaggerating a little bit.

I have been following these games for years. its an old article, but im sure you can google it. (kaz, rolex)
I think some older gt players can also verify this..

I say again, for me its no big deal. both dudes pushing their product, both pushing a "customizable dream" to potential buyers, each one with his own (successful or failed) Pr style


edit: funny thing, i'm not used to people questioning me for lying, but anyways here's a link for you to embark on your discovery journey
http://**************/forums/topic/1792-yamauchi-praises-forza-2-says-gt-is-still-better/

 

[sinnergy]

Funny (or not so funny?) thing with the car modelling is, we've known for a while that their existing models could look outstanding and genuinely "next gen" with a new shader/lighting technique (or engine or whatever). I couldn't find the thread/posts on GAF, but I found it on GTPlanet with what could be done with decent *enough* models and a good engine:

If T10 really did spend most of their time rescanning and remodelling the existing cars, I'd say (stating the obvious, already been said already etc.) that they were wasting their time... especially if it was only so every car could be Autovista'd.

Totally not the same.. these are oflline renders. Probably ray traced images. The quality with offline and real-time in game is with todays technology still not comparable.

Some of the images could even render for hours for just 1 frame.
But lighting makes or breaks everything ill give you that and forza's lighting imprved a great deal.

Also a staged scene is something different than real-time as you can hide flaws etc..

In autovista you can look around the whole car, and also when you are racing. Same for environments.

 

[Xanadu]

especially if it was only so every car could be Autovista'd.

this IS why, also so they can sell them back to you at a price

 

[faberpach]

I am just disappointed that we still have not seen any menus, any description of the features... no crazy painted cars... no explanation of the photo mode...

I mean it launches in 14 days I was expecting some kind of countdown feature....

 

[Xanadu]

I am just disappointed that we still have not seen any menus, any description of the features... no crazy painted cars... no explanation of the photo mode...

I mean it launches in 14 days I was expecting some kind of countdown feature....

ikr, where is the lug nut guy?

 

[faberpach]

ikr, where is the lug nut guy?

I am close to buying you the game so you enjoy it and end being that sad.

 

[Xanadu]

I am close to buying you the game so you enjoy it and end being that sad.

i am a happy person i dont understand

 

[Shaneus]

Totally not the same.. these are oflline renders. Probably ray traced images. The quality with offline and real-time in game is with todays technology still not comparable.

Point being, they're still using FM4 models. And when a "last-gen" model can look that good with the right lighting, should they be spending time remodelling the cars?

 

[saladine1]

ikr, where is the lug nut guy?

Isn't he a tuner or something?

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Why are you especially so invested in this, if I may ask?

Because it pisses me off when pubs get away with this shit. I've already said I never planned on getting Forza or the XB1. However when I see practice like this these pubs need to be called out on it. Not just the Forza community. This could affect other racing games as well.

When the XB1 was announced with its DRM do you think it was just the Xbox community that was calling MS out on their stupid policies? No it was from the gaming community because people feared that other pubs may follow. Thats not a gaming future we wanted to be part of.

When Capcom had their on disc DLC do you think it was just the people that bought the game that were annoyed? No, a lot of gamers recognised this poor practice and wanted to hear Capcom's response to it.

Like what Amar said, several of you guys have got to get over this its us vs them mentality between franchises. Yes I'm a GT fan, yes you could be Forza fan, the other guy could be a Need for Speed fan but we all love racing games no? Are we not all part of the same racing game community?

 

[p3tran]

Isn't he a tuner or something?

represent 8)

Like what Amar said, several of you guys have got to get over this its us vs them mentality between franchises. Yes I'm a GT fan, yes you could be Forza fan, the other guy could be a Need for Speed fan but we all love racing games no? Are we not all part of the same racing game community?

agreed, my modus operandi too, except I buy all the shit too.
but just to make sure you are genuine, and not like some people would suspect, and since you criticized so much of dan's bullshit (rightfully), please do acknowledge what I wrote above about kaz to my friend Hardvibes who seems to question me

 

[Rains]

I am just disappointed that we still have not seen any menus, any description of the features... no crazy painted cars... no explanation of the photo mode...

I mean it launches in 14 days I was expecting some kind of countdown feature....

Indeed i want to see how the car leveling system works,upgrades ect hopefully in the next few days

 

[derFeef]

ikr, where is the lug nut guy?

Che works at 343i now

 

[p3tran]

Che works at 343i now

Spoiler

take your morning pill derFeef, thats not che in dat pic DD

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

represent 8)


agreed, my modus operandi too, but just to make sure you are genuine, and not like some people would suspect, and since you criticized so much of dan's bullshit (rightfully), do acknowledge what I wrote above about kaz to my friend Hardvibes who seems to question me

I would acknowledge it if the link you provided actually worked

 

[derFeef]

Spoiler

take your morning pill derFeef, thats not che in dat pic DD

Well I see no pic, site is blocked at work I guess. But wasn't Che that tweeted that back then during the F3 pre-launch?

 

[sinnergy]

Point being, they're still using FM4 models. And when a "last-gen" model can look that good with the right lighting, should they be spending time remodelling the cars?

In an controlled environment.. offline you can't look around the car.
In forza you can. So you now have 200 Autovista cars to look around and have near autovista on the track, maybe lod 0 when standing still (don't know the ins and outs)

So if you look around in a race they look great.

You tell me if they used Forza4 models and you looked at the car on the track you wouldn't bitch if you saw polygonal edges etc.. (last gen models.. not the autovista ones from forza4) I saw comments on lod switching even about forza 5.

Also they did upgrade the lighting.

And making a game costs time.. and it's a launch game, something gotta give, be it delay the game or finishing it and cut some corners .

 

[p3tran]

I would acknowledge it if the link you provided actually worked

I did, forum put asterisks on it.

how long have you been following gt? was it after gt5 era, or before? because if before, then none of you should say that he "follows ALL kaz interviews" yet doesnt remeber this one...

it was a couple of months after forza 2 launched. basically it was an interview because of forza 2. he downplayed the livery editor, he said the premium gold watch vs cheap electronic as a retort on that, he blatantly LIED about his standard being 1920x1080 , 60 hz, as he didnt deliver neither the first, not the second
he flaffed about the high rez models, then THREE FUCKIN YEARS LATER HE PUBLISHED HIS FREAKIN' GAME WITH 800 PS2 MODELS IN!


so either acknowledge that, or give us a break.

here's another link, hopefully you can click on this one
http://archive.videogamesdaily.com/features/gt5_kazyamauchi_iv_oct07_p1.asp

 

[Dzidza1978]

I did, forum put asterisks on it.

how long have you been following gt? was it after gt5 era, or before? because if before, then none of you should say that he "follows ALL kaz interviews" yet doesnt remeber this one...

You left this part:
He stated that when asked about his opinion of Forza Motorsport 2 on the Xbox 360, "Straight off the bat, I think that in terms of feature sets, Forza is ahead of us. They have more options, you can do basically anything. We take a different approach obviously - we try to concentrate on what are the core values for a racing game, and we try to elevate those standards up as high as we possibly can. I am having difficulty trying to explain the differences, but one way you can look at it is, you can buy a watch that is super multifunctional, but economical, or a watch that is reduced in functions, but premium - higher end."

At least put every thing that he said. Yes he thinks GT is better, but also thinks Forza is much feature wise richer.
And he also said, when was asked about racing games in general, does he plays them to see what they offer, Kaz replied he doesn't.

On topic: The only thing that I hate is the wheel support (Fanatec) and DLC scheme. If Fanatec was suppored, I would buy X1 just for Forza, even though it's lacking numerous tracks and cars. I just love racing games, no matter on what hardware it is.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I did, forum put asterisks on it.

how long have you been following gt? was it after gt5 era, or before? because if before, then none of you should say that he "follows ALL kaz interviews" yet doesnt remeber this one...

That means its a banned website. Thats why the link isn't working. If you could put spaces in the url so I can see it than I could visit the site.

I first played GT on the PS1 with GT1 (later than most people did though. Probably the year the PS2 was going to launch). I only properly started following GT since GT4.

Is this the quote:

Straight off the bat, I think that in terms of feature sets, Forza is ahead of us. They have more options, you can do basically anything. We take a different approach obviously - we try to concentrate on what are the core values for a racing game, and we try to elevate those standards up as high as we possibly can. I am having difficulty trying to explain the differences, but one way you can look at it is, you can buy a watch that is super multifunctional, but economical, or a watch that is reduced in functions, but premium - higher end.

He's actually complimenting Forza here lol. You could almost say the roles have reversed nowadays.

 

[derFeef]

Please, this is our last Forza thread until the OT, can we not turn this into versus again?

edit: also what Mascot said, there is a line.

 

[Mascot]

Anyone else getting a little uncomfortable with the level of mud-slinging aimed at named industry people here? Both Kaz and Dan are passionate about the games they make, but they are personal visions, personal voyages. We'll never agree with every decision they make or with everything they say but we do need to remember that neither game would even exist if it wasn't for these two. I'm also inclined to believe that Forza policies regarding DLC and game content aren't driven by Turn 10 at all. I'd say those things have Microsoft or Xbox Division's fingerprints all over them. Let's cut Turn 10 and Polyphony a little slack her, shall we? Some of the comments aimed at certain individuals have been quite personal and offensive, and believe me - I'm not easily offended..!

 

[SystemBug]

Anyone else getting a little uncomfortable with the mud-slinging aimed at named industry people here? Both Kaz and Dan are passionate about the games they make, but they are personal visions, personal voyages. We'll never agree with every decision they make or with everything they say but we do need to remember that neither game would even exist if it wasn't for these two. I'm also inclined to believe that Forza policies regarding DLC and game content aren't driven by Turn 10 at all. I'd say those things have Microsoft or Xbox Division's fingerprints all over them. Let's cut Turn 10 and Polyphony a little slack her, shall we? Some of the comments aimed at certain individuals have been quite personal and offensive, and believe me - I'm not easily offended..!

Yep, I agree with Mascot. There are certain things that both Dan and Kaz cannot control.

 

[saladine1]

Anyone else getting a little uncomfortable with the mud-slinging aimed at named industry people here? Both Kaz and Dan are passionate about the games they make, but they are personal visions, personal voyages. We'll never agree with every decision they make or with everything they say but we do need to remember that neither game would even exist if it wasn't for these two. I'm also inclined to believe that Forza policies regarding DLC and game content aren't driven by Turn 10 at all. I'd say those things have Microsoft or Xbox Division's fingerprints all over them. Let's cut Turn 10 and Polyphony a little slack her, shall we? Some of the comments aimed at certain individuals have been quite personal and offensive, and believe me - I'm not easily offended..!

 

[Mascot]

Oh man, but for a hover hand in that second picture...