That´s probably because it isn´t confirmed for PS4 yet, but no worries, i´m not going to support it if it´s coming for PS4 i´m not a rabid fanboy like some other people here.
GAF, we need to start a campaign for no used games/no DRM on the Xbox One
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That´s probably because it isn´t confirmed for PS4 yet, but no worries, i´m not going to support it if it´s coming for PS4 i´m not a rabid fanboy like some other people here.
Shalashaska161
Member
We don't need a MS campaign, the entire internet has been shitting themselves for a week. Don't think MS hasn't heard that.
And it's not like MS is totally oblivious to the Sony campaign either. They know about it, and know the only reason it isn't directed at them is because people think its too late.
And it's not like MS is totally oblivious to the Sony campaign either. They know about it, and know the only reason it isn't directed at them is because people think its too late.
Why do you think? Ulterior motives other then consumer rights, sad to say. Look at the types of replies, kind of tells us everything.
Regardless how you feel about the company, this is about gamers, right?
But that's only for if you want it installed on both.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/4362680/xbox-one-games-will-require-regular-authentication-checks-used-games
You can play your game on any other xbox one for free, just like normal.
That would be right if gaming consoles were aiming at the general populace from 1-100. That is not the case , most people playing video games will use the internet and that´s including message boards, twitter, forums and other stuff.
Spamming the shit out of people probably won't work. Instead, vote with your wallet. Nothing sends a clearer message to these companies than sales. If people buy it, it MUST be good. If sales are poor, well, the game must be terrible....or retail partners didn't do enough to sell the game.....or the devs were lazy.....or it was all because of piracy.....or used games....or consumers are stupid and have poor taste....or maybe it was Obama....
Seriously though, you can make a huge difference by not buying the fucking thing.
I'm doing my part. Unless MS turns ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of this around, I will NEVER own a Xbox One.
Seriously though, you can make a huge difference by not buying the fucking thing.
I'm doing my part. Unless MS turns ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of this around, I will NEVER own a Xbox One.
statham
Member
You should join the twitter movement, It has a small chance to actually work... with both companies. MS definitely felt the outrage.
"Vocal minority" = 2013's "Entitled".
Goodacre0081
Member
why bother now? at least this way we'll only need one console this generation.
I say let them go, they can try to fuck over consumers and we'll see how far it gets them.
I say let them go, they can try to fuck over consumers and we'll see how far it gets them.
robertsan21
Member
haha the train has left already, thank god! we might be able to save Sony, hopefully as that will be my next gen console.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
They're not the kind of people who visit GAF or Gamefaqs though.
You're focusing on the wrong aspect of this discussion. They're not going to make choices based on tweets. They'll do it if they don't see financial benefits.
If you don't think the kind of person who would take part in this action is by definition the minority, I don't know what to say. It's not an insult.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Gamers don't have a very good history of 'voting with their wallet' when it comes to this stuff.
You might not like this, but in the $30 billion games business the vast majority of revenue comes from people buying new games, not used. Used game buyers ARE a minority. They were worth $1.59 billion in 2012
There are hundred of message boards and forums out there, you don´t need to visit GAF or Gamefaqs to get knowledge of this. And there is a good chance that millions of people speak out against this bullshit in one way or the other.
Sony is going to recognize that and they will consider it when they make their decisions.
Probably, but things can always change, particularly before the system comes out.
but if the $1.59 billion dollars were not made, then the $30 billion would be alot smaller, bacause mot of the used money goes towards new games anyway..
Delusibeta
Banned
"let's have a twitter campaign against DRM in the PS4!"
Sony fanboys: "good idea, let's do it"
*campaign gets noticed by gaming websites*
"let's have a twitter campaign against DRM in the XbOne!"
Microsoft fanboys: "no point, it'll be dismissed by a vocal minority"
nyoro~n...
Sony fanboys: "good idea, let's do it"
*campaign gets noticed by gaming websites*
"let's have a twitter campaign against DRM in the XbOne!"
Microsoft fanboys: "no point, it'll be dismissed by a vocal minority"
nyoro~n...
Dave Meltzer
Banned
If you believe that, fine. I don't.
For people saying it's a lost cause: are you serious? They can change their mind any day now.
Hell, they can change in after the console launches if they want. It's not a hardware thing, it's a software thing.
Make enough noise and they will listen. They might not respond the way you want, but they'll listen.
Hell, they can change in after the console launches if they want. It's not a hardware thing, it's a software thing.
Make enough noise and they will listen. They might not respond the way you want, but they'll listen.
People buying more new than used doesn´t mean they have no contact/interest in used games at all.
I´m also buying 99% of my games new, i still get a used one here and there and also sell games if i don´t need them anymore, but what is much more important than that is, it´s a matter of principle.
If i buy something it´s my god damn right to do with it whatever i please as long as it´s not against the law. That´s the much more important factor here.
Console warrior shit, basically. It's funny, should it turn out that Sony had a similar DRM policy the whole time ( frankly i always found it odd that MS would look to be the sole company doing this when it could be used against them quite effectively by competitors who weren't going through with it.) people will blame MS for setting some sort of precedent for it.
Why has Sony not been talking a bunch of shit lately toward MS and making a point that the PS4 would have no such DRM policies through this whole event? Why are they so quiet?
Saw that thread too. A few insinuated that they would still get the PS4 even if it had the DRM shit on it! "Hardcore gamers" indeed.
Nealand Liquor
Member
Fanboys. Plain and simple.
nice try OP but most people here want Microsoft to stick with DRM because they think this would help them fail and allow Sony to dominate next gen. It makes for a nice wet fanboy dream...
Just look at this thread and all weak excuses not to participate...
Most care more about console wars than gaming....
Just look at this thread and all weak excuses not to participate...
Most care more about console wars than gaming....
It's not quite that simple. While a lot of it is this, Microsoft has said they are implementing a way to block unverified used games. We know this. It's fact, at least for now.
Sony hasn't said anything of the sort. Of course, they've been alarmingly quiet about it, seeing as how they take any chance they can to jab at MS, but they haven't said that they are going to block unverified used game sales.
That's the difference, and it's a big one.
Uno Venova
Banned
Keep up the defeatist attitude and us vs them fanboy shit my breh's. Still tweeting both hashtags.
So...your problem with Sony fans is that they are more proactive than Microsoft fans?
Nothing was ever stopping MS fans from doing what Sony fans are doing.
Winterfang
Banned
That's no in twitterers hands. Wasn't this about our rights, and not having big companies redefying the meaning of ownership. Or is it, I want Sony to not have DRM so it can win?
If you really care about the lack of DRM you should # for both.
According to Gamestop about 50 % goes towards new games.Worst case scenario: Loss of used games leads to overall shrinking of 800 million (that's like half a CoD). But: The games that are mostly sold used are those with limited long term appeal. Customers aren't interested in buying them new when they offer only a couple of hours and can be bought cheaper. So there is interest, if you take away the alternatives customers will buy new.
R3TRO
Member
That sounds fantastic.
AzraelKans
Banned
Well, it seems they finally realized it was not a good idea at all
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/43...uire-regular-authentication-checks-used-games
The xbox one wont have a fee for used games anymore.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/43...uire-regular-authentication-checks-used-games
The xbox one wont have a fee for used games anymore.
Or maybe it's the fact that if MS hasn't heard the hundreds of blogs, hundreds of angry videos, tons of YouTube comments to the point that they disabled all replies on ALL of their videos, then they're obviously not gonna be swayed by a few dozen tweets.
Microsoft has already heard their fans loud and clear. Sony hasn't really had any direct messages to them due to all this MS stuff, so that's why the spotlight is being shifted.
Also I am so damn tired of the victimized "wah GAF is so pro Sony anti MS" sentiment.
As well as this.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
We already have the PS4 twitter campaign, there is no use doing two campaigns. Focus all the attention on Sony so that they hear us and decide not to do it, and then MS should be forced to change their mind due to Sony's new competitive advantage. It's more beneficial if Microsoft realise the hot water they are in by themselves rather than just moaning at them.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
I didn't recognize him without all the blood covering his entire naked body.
kerotan_eater
Banned
I think our focus should be on Sony. Once MS realize what they have done (they have already been told countless times before btw), they'll stop it. That is if, Sony does not do block games and as I predict will result in them winning the next gen.
Once Sony start kicking Microsofts ass, they'll abandon this practice.
Once Sony start kicking Microsofts ass, they'll abandon this practice.
Old, and not relevant. This just means that used games won't have a fee to the gamer, not that they won't have a fee for the retailer. They make it very clear to point that out.
Edit: Hmm, maybe not as old as I thought, but the point still stands.
And I'm the one saying it's never too late. I'm not giving up.
I just proved to you that the $1.59 billion used game sales participants are a minority. That's the whole point. Used game blocking will not decide the fate of X1, if it doesn't come now it will come in six to seven years. It's inevitable. And the majority is long used to digital sales being non-sellable. iTunes, AppStore, Google Play, Facebook ... Get used to the fact that you don't buy a physical good, you're buying a license. And with it comes the right to use it for a certain period of time under the terms the platform creator offers. The BD for X1 games is just a means of transporting the data to those without fast internet. Since every game has to be activated it becomes a digital copy the moment it is installed.
jacksepticeye
Member
EXACTLY ! I was talking about this in the Sony thread and was accused of having bias :/