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[The Artisan]

I doubt either of them would want to go down the incest road.

Possibly they could pair up first, then find out from Bran later that Jon is actually Dany's nephew.

I dunno about Jon, but when/if Dany finds out, I think that'll make her want to be even closer to Jon. She never got to know her brother Rhaegar but always heard great things about him from Ser Barristan and Jon is the last living relative of hers and her brother's son. She'll never want to get away from him.

Silly me, I actually didn't realise that about the Ed scene

Yeah, that might be true, I'm really looking forward to see Bran interact with people though, hopefully he is not as mysterious as the (last) three-eyed raven.

What I'm most looking forward to is his reunion with his sisters. Can't get enough of the Stark reunions in this show.

 

[The Artisan]

I agree, love the show but I've always been turned off by the gratuitous nudity and sex scenes. It's like, I can just watch porn if I'm in the mood for that..I'd rather they focus on actual plot development.

same here man. GW is my favorite character so it's great to see his love come to full fruition with Missandei, but practically speaking and for storytelling purposes they didn't need to show everything off.

Except for eye candy but it's regrettable that they have to stoop to that to attract viewers.

edit: sorry for double post

 

[Zolo]

I doubt either of them would want to go down the incest road.

Possibly they could pair up first, then find out from Bran later that Jon is actually Dany's nephew.

So Star Wars except going all the way.

Actually not sure if it's something that bothers Dany. She seems to be generally traditionalist when it comes to Targaryan values such as not seeing her father as bad until Barristan as well as still naming a dragon after Viserys.

 

[JustSomeone]

She is!

Damn, she looks so different in real life

 

[JDB]

Damn, she looks so different in real life

ehm

 

[Curufinwe]

same here man. GW is my favorite character so it's great to see his love come to full fruition with Missandei, but practically speaking and for storytelling purposes they didn't need to show everything off.

Except for eye candy but it's regrettable that they have to stoop to that to attract viewers.

edit: sorry for double post

They didn't show everything off, though. Seems a little late in the day to be complaining about a nude scene in GoT, especially one that was actually meaningful to the characters.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/cu...es-season-7-stormborn-grey-worm-missandei-sex

 

[Volimar]

same here man. GW is my favorite character so it's great to see his love come to full fruition with Missandei, but practically speaking and for storytelling purposes they didn't need to show everything off.

Except for eye candy but it's regrettable that they have to stoop to that to attract viewers.

edit: sorry for double post

They don't have to stoop to that. They get loads of viewers. They choose to do that because Martin chooses to have those kinds of scenes in his books. Martin gets no end of joy in seeing all the people clutching their pearls at sex scenes interspersed between all the violence and intrigue. The complaints are bit childish really. A sex scene has just as much value as a battle when it comes to telling a story and there's absolutely no reason not to show it other than that some people, especially in the west, are too prudish to enjoy it as part of the story.

 

[The Artisan]

They didn't show everything off, though. Seems a little late in the day to be complaining about a nude scene in GoT.

They showed more than they had to; almost full frontal nudity. It's never late to complain about nudity if it's something they're still doing and something that's still being talked about

They don't have to stoop to that. They get loads of viewers. They choose to do that because Martin chooses to have those kinds of scenes in his books. Martin gets no end of joy in seeing all the people clutching their pearls at sex scenes interspersed between all the violence and intrigue. The complaints are bit childish really. A sex scene has just as much value as a battle when it comes to telling a story and there's absolutely no reason not to show it other than that some people, especially in the west, are too prudish to enjoy it as part of the story.

Plenty of stories have scenes where the characters are naked fine, but why do cameras need to fixate on everything on screen? Why is that so important? Go ahead and call those against it prudish while I'm going to call those for it perverts.

edit: the violence in the show is all fake while the nudity is all real. I've had this discussion with others before; I'm not a fan of the OD violence in the show either and if someone made a case for that, they'd have an argument too. I feel more strongly about the nudity and that's why I'm more vocal about it

 

[moltonasty]

same here man. GW is my favorite character so it's great to see his love come to full fruition with Missandei, but practically speaking and for storytelling purposes they didn't need to show everything off.

Except for eye candy but it's regrettable that they have to stoop to that to attract viewers.

edit: sorry for double post

This scene didn't bother me too much actually, since this felt like the actual rare moment where the nudity and sexuality was in service of the story, rather than just straight up fan service. It was actually a pretty nice moment especially for GW, but yeah you don't really need to show nudity to convey the emotion of the moment. It is GOT though, can't be too surprised at this point lol.

 

[Beefy]

Any one else starting to have doubts over the White Walkers being evil?

 

[The Artisan]

This scene didn't bother me too much actually, since this felt like the actual rare moment where the nudity and sexuality was in service of the story, rather than just straight up fan service. It was actually a pretty nice moment especially for GW, but yeah you don't really need to show nudity to convey the emotion of the moment. It is GOT though, can't be too surprised at this point lol.

I ain't surprised, just disappointed. Based off of reactions though it sure does seem like fan service. Just having the scene depicted was a service to the story as it is important development for GW but showing everything on screen wasn't necessary.

 

[Volimar]

They showed more than they had to; almost full frontal nudity. It's never late to complain about nudity if it's something they're still doing and something that's still being talked aboutPlenty of stories have scenes where the characters are naked fine, but why do cameras need to fixate on everything on screen? Why is that so important? Go ahead and call those against it prudish while I'm going to call those for it perverts.

edit: the violence in the show is all fake while the nudity is all real. I've had this discussion with others before; I'm not a fan of the OD violence in the show either and if someone made a case for that, they'd have an argument too. I feel more strongly about the nudity and that's why I'm more vocal about it

Perhaps you'd be happier with something else. I hear Freeform is pretty good at turning Young Adult novels into series.

Any one else starting to have doubts over the White Walkers being evil?

They're not evil. They're a force of nature, just doing what they were created for. Killing humans.

 

[Curufinwe]

I ain't surprised, just disappointed. Based off of reactions though it sure does seem like fan service. Just having the scene depicted was a service to the story as it is important development for GW but showing everything on screen wasn't necessary.

You keep saying "necessary" like the show should be designed around your personal comfort level with nudity.

 

[moltonasty]

Any one else starting to have doubts over the White Walkers being evil?

I feel like the show hasn't exactly been subtle about the whole "HUMANS ARE THE TRUE EVIL" angle. Though I guess we don't really know enough about the White Walkers' motivations just yet.

 

[Guevara]

Any one else starting to have doubts over the White Walkers being evil?

This whole show is actually a parable about Scottish independence.

 

[Volimar]

This whole show is actually a parable about Scottish independence.

William Wallace
White Walkers

WW

Wake up sheeple!

 

[Pagusas]

the violence in the show is all fake while the nudity is all real. I've had this discussion with others before; I'm not a fan of the OD violence in the show either and if someone made a case for that, they'd have an argument too. I feel more strongly about the nudity and that's why I'm more vocal about it

Well to be fair, was that not a body double. So it was kinda fake real, right?

 

[MontyBrown]

I don't think the White Walkers are even interesting. I just want to see how the power struggle for Westeros plays out amongst the humans.

Well to be fair, was that not a body double. So it was kinda fake real, right?

The frontal shots surely weren't..

 

[Guevara]

William Wallace
White Walkers

WW

Wake up sheeple!

whoa.

Also: the wall is Hadrian's wall.

Westeros is the UK (obviously)

And the island is under the rule of a serious of insane and/or asshole monarchs.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Guy has a point

Yeah, can't disagree with any of this. They've paid such close attention to detail in the past that it's already showing that they're doing so no longer.

 

[Beefy]

They're not evil. They're a force of nature, just doing what they were created for. Killing humans.

I also think they aren't just killing humans. I have a feeling that the dragons will turn out to be the 'evil' things.

 

[Netherscourge]

Any one else starting to have doubts over the White Walkers being evil?

I'm rooting for the Night King, but it seems they have too many exploitable weaknesses.

Really, the only way the White Walkers can win is if war breaks out in Westeros before Jon & Dany can assemble their forces to stop them.

 

[Curufinwe]

whoa.

Also: the wall is Hadrian's wall.

Westeros is the UK (obviously)

And the island is under the rule of a serious of insane and/or asshole monarchs.

A lot of it is based in the War of the Roses.

 

[FiggyCal]

I was kinda surprised that so many people were complaining that they didn't show male nudity in that scene, as if it would've made it better. The sex stuff in this series and a lot of the nudity is embarrassing.

 

[Greigor The Fellhand]

watched it last night...

super awkward pointless sex scene.

feels like they are setting up grey worm to be killed by the tallies.

I have a feeling gold hand lannister guy will injure a dragon with the ballista


naval battle was awful and felt completely out of left field.

really not liking arya this season, doesn't seem like shes acting, just phoning it in.

also nymerias dog appearance was just... lack luster

 

[Volimar]

I also think they aren't just killing humans. I have a feeling that the dragons will turn out to be the 'evil' things.

Also maybe giants count as humans. >.>

Look, they're not picky okay.

I was kinda surprised that so many people were complaining that they didn't show male nudity in that scene, as if it would've made it better. The sex stuff in this series and a lot of the nudity is embarrassing.

They showed his bum. Honestly that's pretty much all he brings to the table. What did they want, CGI scarring where his pillar and stones used to be?

 

[Beefy]

Also maybe giants count as humans. >.>

Look, they're not picky okay.

No, I meant as in they aren't killing people just for the sake of it.

 

[Sande]

Not really. Guy is being way too nitpicky and is missing the point of a lot of scenes.

1. He goes at length about why Dany didn't meat Ellaria and the others in Dorne instead of the other way around even though the series has explained at length about customs and how one is to treat their superiors. If Dany is to be respected, they would come to her, not the other way around. It isn't about strategy, it's about respect. It's the same reason Jon doesn't send an emissary to meet with Dany instead, she's a Queen, you come personally to her.

Under regular circumstances? Sure. When you have to go out of your way to set up camp on your enemy's doorstep and far away from your allies? Absolutely not.

2. His complaint about Sansa publicly undermining Jon is also a thing explained by the show. Jon challenges her directly about it and she explains that it's because she thinks if they don't get through to him, they're all going to die. The Stark men have been making bonehead decision after decision throughout the run of the show with no one able to convince them otherwise on their own. She wants the group to pressure Jon into not making what she views stupid calls all the time. Sure it hurts Jon's standing with the group, but she honestly believes he'd die if he does things his way, and she has good reason to believe this based on what she's been through.

It's still not the place for it. The article stated that she has a point but it absolutely should not be made in front of everyone.

3. The Cersei giant crossbow complaint is a pure nitpick. "It totally should have been invented by now!" is massive reaching and I think we all know it.

Agreed. It's a bit disappointing that it's "just" a ballista, but it's fine. Not a big deal.

I agree. And even worse the one with the big and nice tits who made Bronn say she is the most beautiful woman in the world , that actress got replaced and wasn't in episode 2 anymore

She wasn't replaced. It's just the hairdo.

 

[moltonasty]

I also think they aren't just killing humans. I have a feeling that the dragons will turn out to be the 'evil' things.

Ice Dragons are gonna cause some serious damage in Season 8.

 

[KHlover]

Actually the Lord of Light and the King of the White Walkers are best buddies and having a giggle while humanity desperately tries to survive.

 

[MontyBrown]

watched it last night...

super awkward pointless sex scene.

feels like they are setting up grey worm to be killed by the tallies.

I have a feeling gold hand lannister guy will injure a dragon with the ballista

I feel like the backlash against sex in the show has reached fucking ridiculous levels.

They've had sexual / romantic tension for seasons, Grey finally opened up about his emotions, the nudity was Missandei embracing him in a way that nobody had and making him feel at ease about his mutilation.

I don't even care about nudity and sex for the sake of it - it's nice to look at attractive people naked and I can do it all day long - but I don't see how people think that one scene is anything other than 'justified'.

 

[FiggyCal]

Also maybe giants count as humans. >.>

Look, they're not picky okay.



They showed his bum. Honestly that's pretty much all he brings to the table. What did they want, CGI scarring where his pillar and stones used to be?

Well some people seem to think he has a penis, but has been castrated.

 

[Volimar]

Ice Dragons are gonna cause some serious damage in Season 8.

There goes the FX budget. Next episode:

 

[MugiwaraCole]

Yeah, can't disagree with any of this. They've paid such close attention to detail in the past that it's already showing that they're doing so no longer.

Like, I still love the show.

But the writing has become noticeably worse. I wouldn't even call it bad. Just worse.

 

[TheOctodad]

Damn, she looks so different in real life

That's the actor's sister, not Yara.

 

[FiggyCal]

Like, I still love the show.

But the writing has become noticeably worse. I wouldn't even call it bad. Just worse.

Its been two episodes...

And that first one was great.

 

[MugiwaraCole]

Its been two episodes...

And that first one was great.

What?

No one here has been complaining about the writing for only the last two episodes. lol we've been here for the last 2 seasons or so. As soon as the show started approaching where the books left off, it happened.

But, yeah. These last two episodes were awesome. Really. I can love them and still critique the writing.

 

[Sande]

Its been two episodes...

And that first one was great.

It's not something that happened this season. It's been a thing since season 5.

 

[The Artisan]

Perhaps you'd be happier with something else. I hear Freeform is pretty good at turning Young Adult novels into series.

I'm happy with Thrones, but it isn't perfect. Way to be condescending, btw.

You keep saying "necessary" like the show should be designed around your personal comfort level with nudity.

The show doesn't need all this nudity to be a great show, that is an opinion I'll stand by from beginning to season 8. To argue nudity as a "necessity" to me is just adding a level of gratuity and perversion.

Well to be fair, was that not a body double. So it was kinda fake real, right?

It was all real, man.

 

[FiggyCal]

What?

No one here has been complaining about the writing for only the last two episodes. lol we've been here for the last 2 seasons or so. As soon as the show started approaching where the books left off, it happened.

But, yeah. These last two episodes were awesome. Really. I can love them and still critique the writing.

Well that's fair. The show occasionally has its problems.

I think the Forbes article has a number of issues. For one thing, the author seems to be confusing "bad writing" with "bad decisions the characters make". Tyrion seemed to be good at being a strategist, but if he messed up... then that's not really the same as bad writing. That's the character making a strategic mistake.

 

[Camwi]

Agreed, although after the time they spend together maybe they will want to get married anyway, before knowing they're related.
This is the rebuttal I say to people who argue for it. I don't want to see sex and nudity, not when I'm watching Tv.

And I think this is why some naysayers call Thrones a glorified porno.

Who cares what naysayers say?

The good sex scenes tend to get my wife in the mood, so I say bring 'em on.

EDIT - If I'm a pervert for appreciating that actress's body in the previous episode, then so be it.

 

[Greigor The Fellhand]

I feel like the backlash against sex in the show has reached fucking ridiculous levels.

They've had sexual / romantic tension for seasons, Grey finally opened up about his emotions, the nudity was Missandei embracing him in a way that nobody had and making him feel at ease about his mutilation.

I don't even care about nudity and sex for the sake of it - it's nice to look at attractive people naked and I can do it all day long - but I don't see how people think that one scene is anything other than 'justified'.

your looking way to much into it. It felt like 8 minutes of nothing, the break in pace from the episode hindered it.

infact the pacing this season so far has been a mess

 

[FiggyCal]

Who cares what naysayers say?

The good sex scenes tend to get my wife in the mood, so I say bring 'em on.

If the sex scenes are done to arouse the audience, then they're not really there to tell the story. People want to talk about bad writing... recall the sex scenes from the first season...

 

[turtle553]

that "when i was a child" speech was enough to make them irredeemable

They were first introduced killing someone that brought you valuable information (the captain that brought Jamie to Dorne). They were never great characters, but I think a lot of the hate is based on people watching gifs of the water garden fight that wasn't as awful in real time.

 

[Zolo]

your looking way to much into it. It felt like 8 minutes of nothing, the break in pace from the episode hindered it.

infact the pacing this season so far has been a mess

I thought it was fine. The GreyWorm/Missandei plotline needs to be resolved and the Unsullied are attacking Casterly Rock soon.

 

[Pagusas]

If the sex scenes are done to arouse the audience, then they're not really there to tell the story. People want to talk about bad writing... recall the sex scenes from the first season...

Isn't the show basically made to arouse the audience? Either in the literal sense, or the figurative sense. Thats what media like this is made to do, force emotions out of you. Sadness, hate, love, passion, its all just over designed and tested to get a reaction out of you. Be it a great bit of dialogue, a rousing speech, an indulgent sex scene or a gruesome Red Wedding death.

 

[Symphonia]

Last time Jon just did his job without an equal to provide a different perspective, he ended up getting stabbed to death.

But he still made the right call.

Exactly. His brothers turning on him doesn’t make his decision wrong or invalid, it just means that the Nights Watch are bumbling idiots who didn’t realise they need the wildlings to survive.

 

[ShinAmano]

watched it last night...

I have a feeling gold hand lannister guy will injure a dragon with the ballista

Injured? Sweet summer child...you know the dragons are as good as dead right?

 

[Recreat3]

Who cares what naysayers say?

The good sex scenes tend to get my wife in the mood, so I say bring 'em on.

EDIT - If I'm a pervert for appreciating that actress's body in the previous episode, then so be it.

If we are considered perverts for appreciating that woman's (dont know her real name) body, send us all to hell.

 

[c0de]

Any one else starting to have doubts over the White Walkers being evil?

They are evil. They killed their creators. They killed humans.