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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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I'm sure he's hasn't being "paid" since he went to Dorne with Jaime to rescue Myrcella, hell, when he helped him to recover Riverland he still wasn't reimbursed his betroded nor another castle.
LF is done.
TheLostBigBoss
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If she was smart she would have sent them on a suicide mission to destroy the Lanisters so she could just get rid of them as fast as possible.
I can't think of any good situation with an army of Dothraki staying alive for a prolonged period of time.
I can't think of any good situation with an army of Dothraki staying alive for a prolonged period of time.
Boards of Canada
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I dont know how anyone follows this show. Too much going on.
RustyNails
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So Jon Snow hates Littlefinger because he feels littlefinger betrayed Ned?
The Artisan
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Oh baby, that battle.
Khaleesi was getting a bit mad queeny there with Varys interrogation, but, I get where she's coming from. How can to trust a person that keeps betraying his kings? As the audience, we're pretty sure he won't do that, since we know he's a good guy, but Khaleesi isn't really privy to that information, so to her he seems like he might just be a person who jump ships whenever things get hairy. Seems like they worked it out, though.
Just when Jon thought he was safe to die, Meli comes back into the picture. It's gonna cause some issues once Davos arrives and finds her there.
I was sure Dragonglass was going to be a part of the dragonscale disease, but the actual method seems way more painful. I bet that scene 'cause a lot of squeamish people to look away. I can't imagine Jorah goes through all of that and doesn't come out being cured, or maybe he does, but it feels like he'll be good now.
Hot Pie! Good to see him again, really liked his reunion with Arya, especially with the ending scene where she decides to go to Winterfell now that she found out the Boltons are dead.
I'm wondering what actually happened in that Nymeria scene, it obviously felt like it actually was her, and her not going with Arya makes it feel like Arya has changed so much, not just physically, but emotionally that Nymeria didn't even recognize her. It also mirrors it a bit with the Hot Pie scene, where he was really happy to see her, and she was kinda just there almost zoned out. It's almost like she didn't care all that much that she was seeing an old friend again. The scene does end with Arya saying it wasn't Nymeria, so, I'm not sure if that was her lying to herself. Great scene, though, it made me tear up a bit, great acting by Maisie Williams.
Greyworm getting it on.
It's kinda sad that Jon going to talk to Dany is tense not because he will talk to her, but because he is leaving Sansa alone with Littlefinger. I have no doubts he will be safe with Dany but will the North by safe left with Sansa? I'm not too sure.
That last battle scene was fantastic, that's the kind of people that would have normally just been a fade to black so they could've saved the budget for the big battle later on. It was huge, full of spectacle, and with a lot of ramifications. Now Dany's plan to take King's Landing just took a massive hit from losing Dorne and the Greyjoys, now only the Tyrells are left and that's not enough to surround King's Landing, especially not from the sea. And with the Unsullied going for Casterly Rock, she has no choice but to use the Dothraki, which will just play into Cersei's hand. This whole plan just went bully up for Dany.
Also, fuck Reek. I can't believe I actually thought he was Theon.
I agree with almost everything you said; with Dany and Varys, she does have a right to be suspicious but at the same time, she seemed to be doing just do exercise her power. I think it's getting to her a little. Or starting to. Hopefully what she needs is to meet Jon and that'll help calm her the fuck down. Some ice.
I agree about the dragonglass curing greyscale and Arya maybe being too far gone. I hope she's not too far gone.
The other thing I disagree with is the Dothraki thing; I thought late King Robert said basically that Dothraki are a juggernaut in an open field? So maybe that will play into Dany's advantage not against her?
Harrison Bergeron
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Probably just manned by the Greyjoy rebels I'd guess.
That whole battle was kind of weird though. It felt like the boss fights in Deus Ex HR. Euron coming down on that gangplank, Yara flying around like Wonder Woman—it was kind of aesthetically inconsistent with battles like Hardhome and Bastards.
Isn't that exactly what she's going to do?
The "suicide" part will be unintentional, but good God can you imagine the damage the dothraki would do to the native population?
Because he knows littlefinger gave Sansa to ramsey to get proffit of it
andythinkpad
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Dorne probably will fall into civil war in a realistic scenario anyway, even if Cersei just kill Ellaria.
All the pro Ellaria faction has been killed in the naval attack.
Also he wants to fuck her sister.
No. Cersei isn't fun. I can't remember what season it was, but Tywin pegged her in that season when he said that she wasn't as clever as she thinks she is. At this point, she's the Mad Queen, willing to do anything and everything to gain and hold on to her power.
Second, no, I don't think she's layered. Her entire character has been a pompous, spoiled, privileged shit, willing to go to war and throw seven kingdoms into chaos just because she wanted to fuck her brother. I don't much care for Jamie either, but HE'S the one who has some nuance. He's not into cruelty for the sake of it, tries to save lives when he can, bore the title of Kingslayer because he saved all of King's Landing, saved Tyrion and treated him like an actual person, ect. As I said before, I feel like there's going to be a moment where she's gonna betray Jamie too, because in the end, she only cares for herself. She even proved that last season. She claims to love her children, but it was more important for her to consolidate her power and have her rivals defeated than it was for her to just back off and let Tommen be happy. She's directly responsible for his suicide. She's the worst.
THAT BEING SAID:
The fact that I despise her so much shows how well Lena Heady is doing with her. She's one of the best bad guys; one you don't (or at least I don't) sympathize with and want to see her fall. I wanted Arya to kill her, but now she's going back to Winterfell. Hopefully something horrid doesn't happen to her on the way.
Also, I heard the word "books" in that video and immediately closed it.
Cersei is definitely fun! That scene where she's drunk and talking to Sansa in Blackwater, literally any interaction she has with Peter Dinklage, "I choose violence", the character is always entertaining to watch, consistent in a way the other main characters aren't.
You can hate on the character all you like, but the idea that she has no layers is blatantly wrong, especially not after what she's been through and her background. Being "layered" doesn't mean turning "good" halfway through the series. Cersei doesn't do things out of cruelty unless provoked, she isn't a total sociopath like Joffrey was. She didn't want Ned to be killed, she didn't kill Robert's bastards, and there was a time when she tried to make their relationship work. It was clear in this scene back in S1 that Cersei was a multi-faceted character.
Cersei does everything she can to protect her family and her children, but she's deeply paranoid because of that prophecy she heard as a kid and the way she was raised by Tywin. Her idea of "safety" means everyone that's her enemy is dead and gone, because in Westeros everyone has some kind of angle.
Again, I'm not saying this makes her a good person. She's super narcissistic and is brutal to her enemies, but she learned that behaviour from her father (that she's obsessed with emulating) and from the way the world treated her. Perfect example of this is back in S2 when Cersei took Ros (thinking she was Tyrion's favourite whore) and threatened to kill her if anything happened to Joffrey. Was it cruel? Yes, but it came from a vicious motherly instinct. Now her children are all dead and she's become an even darker person, the path she's been on since the start of the series.
Just because she's become more and more corrupt (in contrast to Jaime), doesn't mean she somehow doesn't have layers.
I wish you could watch the vid since it explains it way better than I can. But it does go over both the books and the show, and while the book details are very minor (there aren't any massive spoilers in there and the video warns you at the start that he will be touching on them so I don't think anyone will be blindsided by them) there are details that you would probably rather read for yourself one day, so I get it if you don't wanna watch.
Seductivpancakes
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I bet Broadbent channeled some Slughorn into the Arch Maester.And the restricted section is the restricted section!!
Does Sansa even know about Littlefinger betraying Ned?
Yup, I think Lord Varys was the last person to talk to Ned before he was beheaded.
I don't think so. Sansa told him Littlefinger could not be trusted, so he probably doesn't appreciate that LF is hitting on her. He may even know that Littlefinger was the one to arrange the marriage between Sansa and the Boltons.
Seductivpancakes
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I was thinking that might be the case since they never talked about another line of succession on the show. At least I don't think so.
The Artisan
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The Artisan
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GW is my favorite character.
TheLostBigBoss
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The Unsullied are going to attack the Lanisters. I don't remember the Dothraki being moved to attack anything.
I think you're right. I guess it wouldn't make sense to send all your soldiers away. She needs some protection.
Seductivpancakes
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They weren't mentioned in the war room. Saving them for hit and run raids maybe or to intercept any army trying to aid Lanisport?
Littlefinger loved catlelyn not Lyanna, who loved Lyanna was Robert and rhaegar
Cersei is a great character, the way they've been stretching out her threads bit by bit throughout each season until they finally come undone has been wonderful television. Especially because all of her failures have (mostly) been through her own doing.. and yet, her failures have given her the prize she has always wanted: the autonomous ruler of all. I don't see it lasting long for her and can't wait to see her get her comeuppance. Lena Headey is too good.
He was talking about Cat but there's a scene a few seasons back that implies he might know the truth about Jon.
I love me some villains (although Jaime is more of an anti-hero at this point). Fun fact, the guy in my avatar is the Qyburn of the Street Fighter universe.
The Artisan
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I hope that wasn't the end of it. Maybe Arya falls into a semi-depressive state and does a bit of self reflecting. She's gotta remember her father, remember to have honor and not just be a stone cold murderer.
I hope they both have a change of heart and together with the wolf pack head over to Winterfell.
Aha! So it fits.
But yeah, Cersei is evil I hate her and she's a damn good villain with a damn good actress bringing her to life
Of course. My memory is failing me.
MetalFearSolid
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, Well Littlefinger probably had flashbacks? In front of Ned's statue nonetheless
Well Dothraki would also suck at taking Casterly Rock - sieges are not their things. They'll come into play once there's an open field battle.
serenewarfare
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I just finished the episode. Loved it. Definitely wasn't expecting that ending.
As soon as Jon said he was leaving Winterfell in the hands of Sansa, my first thought was "well, that's the end of Jon Snow". Seems like just a matter of time at this point.
As soon as Jon said he was leaving Winterfell in the hands of Sansa, my first thought was "well, that's the end of Jon Snow". Seems like just a matter of time at this point.
Seductivpancakes
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Lmao Ned sent some supernatural after life strength to Jon. Choke dis punk ass for me.
The Artisan
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They were never friends
firehawk12
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They're not going to show any whitewalkers this season are they?
nocturnedelight
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With the way they kept cutting between scenes, I bet they really wanted the scene after that to be of someone eating.
Cabbagehead
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Fantastic Episode.
Chills through-out.
Great moments, Great pacing, Great Character showcases, Great Dialogue and scene selection.
Does anyone know who directed this episode?
Chills through-out.
Great moments, Great pacing, Great Character showcases, Great Dialogue and scene selection.
Does anyone know who directed this episode?
Chie Satonaka
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I mean, I don't really agree, especially considering what happened last season and the one before with Margarey. I don't feel like she was trying to protect Tommen, I feel like she was afraid of losing her position, similar to how she started behaving when Joffery stopped listening to her. I actually used to like her quite a bit at first, but she's looking more and more like the Mad King's true successor as time goes on, and while blowing up the Sept was fucking awesome, Tommen didn't deserve that. He just wanted to be a good king with his waifu.
But I'll concede that she was much more enjoyable in earlier seasons, and "I choose violence" is one of the best lines in the entire series.
I need to give the entire series a rewatch. My GoT-Fu is getting a little weak. I had meant to do it before the new seson started, but I got all caught up in FFXIV.
The One and Done
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This season IS NOT FUCKING AROUND
Oh, yeah, my argument wasn't really based in personal investment in the characters. Danaerys isn't really high up on my list of favorite characters and I only just recently started getting back into her plot now that she's finally moving towards her goal.
Littlefinger would simply be disastrous as king. I still enjoy watching him scheme though even if I hate the shit out of him.
Yea, ok ok. I read the books back after season 1 and have been mostly following along since, but fuck me if I can remember these tertiary relationships and betrayals.
I assume pretty translator's grammar lesson was for nerds like you?
The Artisan
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how did she not already know about that though? she was in Westeros for 2 weeks before killing all the Freys she should've known about it already. Plot hole.
They were in episode 1. For a few moments looking menacing. That's all you gonna get till episode 7.
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