You also forgot that he killed his little brother with his creepy shadow baby, right?
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As I have noted, siblings battling for the crown kill each other. Just more of the same. Plus Renly was in a position to throw the entire kingdom into turmoil. A sword, arrow, assassin, shadow baby, doesn't matter.
CountAntonius
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Oh I'm not saying he will be the savior but I think his decision is a little more nuanced than simply being a power hungry person who wants to sit on the throne. I think in his mind every sacrifice has been to save the realm and for the greater good.
This scene was an important one.
GoodMorningPluto
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I don't know how people in this thread can be surprised by Shireen sacrifice when it was already theorised and discussed fifty pages ago.
I was a little afraid for my boy Bronn when they mentioned "one condition", this show led me to immediately suspect only horrible things :/
Jorah roll was hilarious. We Dark Souls now!
I was a little afraid for my boy Bronn when they mentioned "one condition", this show led me to immediately suspect only horrible things :/
Jorah roll was hilarious. We Dark Souls now!
Jorah's success was guaranteed. It showed that all those who, in some way, from her humble beginnings to the present, supported the queen lived to fight in the "new world' she created even as she fled it. That smooth-ass move was just icing on the cake. I have a feeling it will be poetic in the end.
Yeah, it is the "shock value" claims that seem random to me. This has been a long time coming. Even all the "aww, look at Stannis being the one decent individual who could do some good...!" scenes have been building up to this. All the character development up to now, the moving scene with his daughter, the scene where he encourages Sam to keep learning about White Walkers, all of that is still 100% valid. But this event is a reminder as well as a lesson: no one in this show is 100% good, or lovable, or whatever else, and even those who seem good overall are capable of horrible things. Just as the touching/nice/whatever scenes showed us how loving, fair, and thoughtful Stannis can be, this scene showed us his capacity for cruelty, among other things.
The amazing thing is that the term "villain" people here are throwing around never came to my mind. I can't see him as a villain. Just someone who is suddenly so, so much harder to like.
This keeps getting mentioned and I hardly remember it. I need a GIF to assess this.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The foreshadowing frequently makes future scenes painfully predictable. And I dont really mind. The series has been doing it for awhile. But I feel the character development and exposition for their reasoning just gets less and worse over time. Season One is still the only one to almost perfectly patiently develop the entire cast and their journey.
DangerMouse
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Agreed.
Dr. Bashir I mean King Doran is a better King than Stannis and Tommen confirmed after this ep. Was never part of the Stannis bandwagon and after what he did solidified it.
Daenerys don't need an army, she just needs her dragons plus two additional dragon riders to invade Westeros!
Daenerys don't need an army, she just needs her dragons plus two additional dragon riders to invade Westeros!
Yup. They used to leave us subtle clues but now it's a lot more obvious. We went from foreshadowing most people only realized afterwards (I remember being called a book reader for a few things I predicted) to blatantly obvious for everyone to see which takes a lot of the fun out of it even though they try to mix it up from time to time.
Seems like they wanted more people to pick up on it which in turn made parts of the story a lot more obvious. Still plenty to speculate over though.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Everyone needs catharsis by the onion knight.
BobTheFork
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I don't know which I'd rather see, Davos just walking into the tent and slitting Stannis throat or having Stannis get crushed my the weight of his action and kill himself.
Makes me wonder if Davos even gets back before next season.
Makes me wonder if Davos even gets back before next season.
What would that achieve?
MagicWithEarvin
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Crown him! Doran Martell 2016. Book it.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
An erection.
My only hope for Shireen was that Stannis would end up sacrificing himself instead.
Tchu-Espresso
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Can someone explain to me why Doran just squashed all interest in the Dorne storyline?
Not all that dramatic at all.
Not all that dramatic at all.
Holy shit, haha. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this.
drogon got pretty fucked up so all you need is a army with bows and they good
I don't understand the question.
Because he doesn't want war. He wants peace for his people.
BobTheFork
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I thought about that. him having Davos try to put Shireen on the throne :'(My only hope for Shireen was that Stannis would end up sacrificing himself instead.
...Stannis' death, what else. I think Davos would just be pushed over the edge. I don't think he will follow Stannis after that. When he finds out, he's just going to lung at him to kill.
Right, but, like, why? I get that you're upset he murdered his kid but do you not want him to fight the Boltons and the white walkers?
And also we're talking about a guy who thanked Stannis for cutting his fingers off. Like it or not, Davos has Stockholm Syndrome.
Thanks.
Eh, that wasn't bad. It wasn't really needed or practical, but it got him fashion points, plus he correctly went down shoulder first, so I can't hate. Actually, it would've made more sense if the dude lunged the spear sooner, making it a proper dodge-roll.
MagicWithEarvin
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The king that Westeros deserves, someone who believes in second chances (but not a third)!
BobTheFork
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Yeah, but not after this. He considered that a just punishment for his own crime. He stopped Stannis from killing Gendry when it was about to cost Him his life to do it. He loved the princess. I don't think there is any way to takes orders again. Stannis can't be the good king Davos fantasized about after this.
He isn't going to care about 'the war'. he may not even think about it. I think Davos kind of loses it.
And then joins Brienne and Pod.
I mean, I suppose Stannis' fall is inevitable. It seems likely that the series is ultimately going to be dragons fighting against the armies of winter. I just hate Dany a lot more than I hate Stannis.
CountAntonius
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What if like the past..the Red Woman was right and he takes the North sets Sansa free and helps guard it along with the Nightswatch against the white walkers?
That would be unexpected.
That would be unexpected.
How?
She's boring, insolent, vindictive, and immature.
King Hippo
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With the new episode out today, this is irrelevant, but a cool little piece none the less.
Watched this scene again from the beginning of the season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZv6K_M-kio
At about 10 seconds, you see a girl walk past Arya that looks a lot like that other girl who is training to be a Faceless Man. She also has her hair done and is dressed like Arya in recent episodes when watching the thin man.
Watched this scene again from the beginning of the season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZv6K_M-kio
At about 10 seconds, you see a girl walk past Arya that looks a lot like that other girl who is training to be a Faceless Man. She also has her hair done and is dressed like Arya in recent episodes when watching the thin man.
Shireen's death scene might have actually been more shocking to me than anything else in the show.
I don't mean that it was out of Stannis's character or completely unforeseen as some others seem to feel, but rather that it was so starkly uncompromising even relative to what we've already witnessed. A father burning alive his disfigured, precocious child for coldly pragmatic reasons as the scene tails off with his expressionless face and her blood-curdling screams. Harsh.
I don't mean that it was out of Stannis's character or completely unforeseen as some others seem to feel, but rather that it was so starkly uncompromising even relative to what we've already witnessed. A father burning alive his disfigured, precocious child for coldly pragmatic reasons as the scene tails off with his expressionless face and her blood-curdling screams. Harsh.
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