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Game of Thrones - Season 2 - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Sundays on HBO

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Sotha Sil

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I'm a bit puzzled by the mixed reception among book readers. I predicted a general feeling of disappointment from the audience, since CoK is a slow book (and sets many wheels in motion). But as a book fan, I have to admit I'm still stuck in the "honeymoon phase": delighted to see ASoIaF on screen, and kind of amazed they managed to pull it off at all.

That said, I'll admit the one change that bothers me remains Talisa. I don't know if it's the actress or the writing (probably both), but she felt "off" right from her first appearance. Though a king's favor can grant many advantages in the GoT world, the way she behaves is way to modern, for lack of a better word. It might be the departure from the book that kills my suspension of disbelief, but I still think they could have handled that character better.

Can't wait for episode 9.
 

bengraven

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The part where Stannis is going through the animals was funny as hell.

I still think the actor isn't really playing him right. He's not supposed to be THAT much of a joke.

"Then we got to the cats, don't like cats...I like dogs!"
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The only thing more boring that Snow's storyline this season is everything with Robb and Talisa, which so far has been painfully transparent and awful story telling. There scenes have been the only part of the entire two seasons I'd probably skip on subsequent viewings. For the love of the old gods please just stop.

I didn't mind Episode 8, actually. Absolutely nothing 'happened', but the dialogue was really good. Tyrion + Bronn continue to be my favourite duo, and it was tits to see
Cersei's idiocy come to fruition
. The banter (Robb + Talisa aside) between every character was great, and thus I'm not disappointed.
 

apana

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A man has no patience for chickens.

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I knew it, Jaqen is actually Link from Hyrule. Crossover movie confirmed.
 
Series:
Roose is probably the most cunning character who isn't actually vying for the Iron Throne. I would have loved to see him go down to King's Landing and see how he fares among all the other players of the Game.

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Roose's Achilles' heel is his son. As long as he keeps psychotic Ramsay around, I don't think any of the major houses will truly recognize House Bolton as being one of their equals. And rightfully so, since Ramsay - in addition to being a sadist - is also kind of stupid, and undermines his father's plans to elevate their house.
 

Sotha Sil

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The only thing more boring that Snow's storyline this season is everything with Robb and Talisa, which so far has been painfully transparent and awful story telling. There scenes have been the only part of the entire two seasons I'd probably skip on subsequent viewings. For the love of the old gods please just stop.


Pretty much. "I am strong and charming and sexy." "What a coincidence! I happen to be strong, charming and sexy!" "Must be destiny, let's do it in the middle of the room."

So heavy-handed.
 

PantherLotus

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Did you really think it was transparent? I thought for certain we'd get a story of unrequited love, the very best kind of love stories to tell. I said, NO WAY are they just going to, dammit, they're fuckin.
 
Honestly, I just thought this chick was going to have an extended flirtation with Robb and teach him to follow his heart or some crap. And then he'd meet Jeyne and be willing to risk everything for her.

But now I don't think Jeyne is happening.
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Did you really think it was transparent? I thought for certain we'd get a story of unrequited love, the very best kind of love stories to tell. I said, NO WAY are they just going to, dammit, they're fuckin.

Yes, I did, because the tropes of the series (rampant tits and arse) required it. It was too drawn out. I get that she might be an important character later on and Robb needed something more to tie himself down beyond the war, but it was exactly as Sotha Sil put it: charming, strong and sexy alpha male weighed down with the burden of wars and family meets pretty young sassy female who shows him strength and courage can be found in the smallest things bla bla bla lets fuck.

I don't mind the sex and I don't mind the relationship drama, but I would like it to be stimulating and interesting. The Robb + Talisa stuff has been truly dreadful television.
 
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Yes, I did, because the tropes of the series (rampant tits and arse) required it. It was too drawn out. I get that she might be an important character later on and Robb needed something more to tie himself down beyond the war, but it was exactly as Sotha Sil put it: charming, strong and sexy alpha male weighed down with the burden of wars and family meets pretty young sassy female who shows him strength and courage can be found in the smallest things bla bla bla lets fuck.

I don't mind the sex and I don't mind the relationship drama, but I would like it to be stimulating and interesting. The Robb + Talisa stuff has been truly dreadful television.
near everything that hasn't been a direct rip from the book has been awful television
 

Maffis

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A thing about Jaqen (book spoilers)
Why didn't they show the face-change? I hope they haven't forgotten about that.

Also, I don't like how Arya's actions killed so many people indirectly (the hanging) and she doesn't seem to even care that much.

And they still fucked up Jaime
by letting him kill his own blood. I mean, kinslaying is frowned upon more than kingslaying, yet they don't seem to even care. Why couldn't they just let him join Brienne and Jaime and then die during the escape, like in the book? Was that so hard? Nooooo, they had to completely wreak his character.
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A thing about Jaqen (book spoilers)
Why didn't they show the face-change? I hope they haven't forgotten about that.
ACoK
The finale is called "Valar Morghulis" and the summary says that "Arya receives a gift from Jaqen", so that scene should be in there.
 

calza

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ACOK
Perhaps, [I don't actually recall much of the little details in ACOK] but the show isn't a 1:1 adaptation of the novels. It's likely the show runners will streamline this specific sub-plot, making Bolton a double agent the entire time. As noted the camera work [and actions such as the glance the pair exchanged in episode 7] do appear to heavily hint at that eventuality.

Yes you are right where the book is concerned but this isn't the book. Here, Roose is showing overt signs of duplicity...or at least they are overt to me. Here, he openly glares at Talisa every time he leaves a room to her and Rob together. Here, he is begging Rob to allow his bastard son to take command of Winterfell's retaking which will then be burned down.

In the books, it's pretty vague about when Roose switches sides but (if I remember correctly) Reek was already at Winterfell as a "guest" so it's fair to say that some plan was already put in motion at that point? My memory is awful so please let me know if I am mis-remembering something.

No he is showing signs of disapproval. He looks at Talisa with contempt and disappointment at Robb. He does not know why some whore now has the King's attention.
 

Dany

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They knew battle of the blackwater was going to air on memorial day weekend. Its purposeful, hopefully it pays off.
 
- Westeros.org with a link to a VFX article
Animation World Network has an interesting piece discussing the truly international effort to creat VFX for Game of Thrones, with the work largely being handled and supervised by Pixomondo.
For some reason my ISP is blocking the site hosting the article (awn.com), but maybe some of you will have more luck with it.

EDIT: Damn, beaten by Cornballer.
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They knew battle of the blackwater was going to air on memorial day weekend. Its purposeful, hopefully it pays off.
I assume they would have preferred to avoid that weekend if it was convenient. I don't think the first run ratings are going to be as high as usual, but hopefully the cumulative will do fine as people catch reruns and watch on demand. All of the advertising should help.
 
For some reason my ISP is blocking the site hosting the article (awn.com), but maybe some of you will have more luck with it.

Here is the text from the article for anyone that can't see it:

International visual effects company Pixomondo is the primary VFX provider for the second season of HBO's award-winning fantasy television series Game of Thrones created by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss. Season two features ten, one-hour episodes and premiered on April 1, 2012. Under the guidance of show VFX supervisor, Pixomondo's Rainer Gombos, and Pixomondo visual effects supervisor Juri Stanossek, the ambitious project is led by the company's Stuttgart facility, one of 12 Pixomondo studios around the world.

After the filming in Belfast, Croatia and Iceland for about 150 shooting days was complete, plates were turned over to Pixomondo. Though episodes were tackled primarily in order, Pixomondo began prepping the more difficult, VFX-heavy shots long before plates were received. On set, Gombos used storyboards and had an on-site previs team as well as a production designer so the shots were fully visualized before the cameras started rolling. Many of these complicated shots involved dragons, which were first revealed in the season one finale.

"The dragons mature this season so their look is more fierce," Gombos explained. "In the first season, the dragons are freshly hatched so they are more delicate. We changed the proportions up a bit and made the spikes more prominent so the dragons are much more menacing now."

Pixomondo's renowned creature specialist, Dan Katcher, who works out of the company's Burbank office and designed many of the dinosaurs in "Terra Nova," helped to model the new dragons. The Pixomondo team in Frankfurt tweaked the designs further and provided the animation to realistically bring the dragons to life.

In addition to creating the dragons, Pixomondo also did a substantial amount of set extensions, battle augmentation and some additional creature work. The on-set production designer helped develop the look of the sweeping shots. Then Pixomondo was tasked with capturing the essence of Westeros, the fictional continent in which the series takes place.

For the first season of "Game of Thrones," dogs were substituted for the direwolves, an unusually large and intelligent species of wolf in Westeros. In the second season, actual wolves were used. Using a variety of filming tricks and techniques, the shots were augmented to make the wolves appear larger and then composited with the background and actor passes for the final shots.

"The entire process of filming the wolves was quite complicated and required a great amount of precision, but the final shots with the supersized wolves really deliver the right impact," said Gombos.

Nine of Pixomondo's twelve facilities contributed to the project. Stuttgart served as the lead and did most of the set extension work and matte paintings as well as creature work and some CG gore. Frankfurt created the dragons and Berlin worked on shots featuring fluid simulations. London and Burbank handled compositing and 3D work though Beijing composited the shots with the direwolves and was also responsible for some of the long establishing shots as well as crowd replication and matte paintings. Munich, Hamburg and Shanghai assisted with compositing, with Shanghai also contributing to 3D shots.

Episode turnaround time has varied greatly depending on the complexity of the work. Unlike many shows, principal photography was mostly complete when the plates were turned over to Pixomondo in December 2011. Delivery of episodes has ranged anywhere from six weeks to four months and episodes feature anywhere from 60 to over 140 VFX shots.

In addition to Pixomondo, Gombos enlisted two outside vendors, Baked FX and Entity FX, to work on about 250 shots. The companies handled mostly paint fixes and cleanup, as well as some rain and snow augmentation.
 

jett

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"The dragons mature this season so their look is more fierce," Gombos explained. "In the first season, the dragons are freshly hatched so they are more delicate. We changed the proportions up a bit and made the spikes more prominent so the dragons are much more menacing now."

I totally noticed that change from the 10 seconds of footage we got from a sole nameless dragon.

Actually I didn't.
 
the eunuch makes my skin scrawl. in book 1, Ned Stark feels perturbed by the man too, that actor does a good job of making you feel uneasy whenever he's around. I cant put my finger on what it is, but it bothers me.

Cersei says he's powerful because he has no cock, but he's powerful because he has no motive. I really do think that he just likes to shit stir.
 

DrForester

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the eunuch makes my skin scrawl. in book 1, Ned Stark feels perturbed by the man too, that actor does a good job of making you feel uneasy whenever he's around. I cant put my finger on what it is, but it bothers me.

Should listen to the audio books. Guy does a great job with both him and Littlefinger (and everyone else for that matter). The audio books are done by Roy Dotrice who plays Pycelle in the HBO series.
 
Anyone else frightfully disappointed with season 2 so far?

I'd like to hear from people who haven't read the books as to what they think about what has been happening and what they think is going on. Personally I have read the books and I have a very low opinion of the way that this season has been portrayed and represented thus far.

Reason being:

DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS
The portrayal of the characters is completely bogus, all of them... ALL OF THEM have been mis-represented like sissy's and nancy's and none of the defining moments and elements of their characters developments from the books have been shown in the show and therefore, the character's just seem boring and undeveloped. I want to know what the people who have no read the books think of this because personally if I had not read the books I probably might be satisfied, but having read them I'm almost disgusted by the lack of portrayal of Arya's development, and unless I remember incorrectly she DID NOT escape from the castle while the Lannister's held it, unless I remember incorrectly and they got away and were re-captured... I vaguely remember that being the case, but I feel like I'm making it up in my mind to justify them coming back to the castle while the Mummers hold it. There has been none of Arya practicing her dancing in the trees at night, all the fuck she has done is poor drinks for Tywin which is just ridiculously stupid and has not at all helped to show her development into the hard-arse that she's supposed to develop into. Dany has become a whiny whingy crappy dare I say "crazy" Targaryen bent on the Iron throne like her brother which is not how I felt it was in the books, she wanted to get back to Westeros of course, but everything she did in Qarth was not bent on that one thing and they've left out all of the other cool happenings. I'm looking forward to the scene in the House of the Undying but I'm afraid that it's going to be frightfully disappointing by my reckoning based on the way things have been going so far. To me, it's like the series has been created FOR book readers and to 'fill in the gaps' for people who have read the books.

It's like they have decided to show only the main stay plot points that were the focus of the books, and EVERYTHING that wasn't. If you see what I mean? I suppose all of those things that I'm describing could be happening when the viewer isn't watching the characters, but it's just making the whole thing into a WTF is going on affair on most counts. I am absolutely bedazzled that the Blackwater chain has not been mentioned or described at all yet and if it just magically is there I will be pissed beyond reckoning, the whole thing to me just feels like such a mess. I'm enjoying watching it for sure, but I'm bored while watching it, there are so many wasteful scenes, so many scenes where time is wasted on pointless bullshit. What the fuck was that shit with Littlefinger and the whore where he threatened her not to cry? Pointless and not needed, okay it shows the ruthlessness and cunning of Littlefinger, but COME ON, I almost think that once again we're not going to get to see ANY fighting or battle scenes and if they don't have a crazy huge battle scene for the Blackwater attack I might almost give up on the TV show.

AND Jaime has been let go already? HUH? WTF? That's 4th book shit, wtf is going on? They are super speeding the story or something, I just don't get it - everything is all wrong, I guess they must be changing up the story heaps and perhaps they're preparing to go in a totally different direction than the books because they realise that the books won't be finished in time for the seasons to continue each year.

Where are the frog kids? Where is Ghost? Jon's wolf is strangely missing all of a sudden. Why didn't they let us at least see Stormsend? Everything north of the wall so far has been pathetic. The wildlings don't look like wildlings aught to.

I'm just having a big whinge because I'm not enjoying it as much as I wish I was. I hope the reason that it's like this is because that they've saved their budget for the last couple of episodes... I'm hoping that's the case because there are some really big and important things to happen still, so lets hope so!
 

Speevy

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I'm well prepared to get flayed alive for saying this, but Peter Dinklage's performance this season hasn't been as good as I had hoped.

I mean he's always fun to watch, the lines they give him are hilarious, and I like the character. Of course, this is true. But he's totally ineffective in conveying any kind of deep emotions. Is that the point?
 

AngryMoth

Member
I'm well prepared to get flayed alive for saying this, but Peter Dinklage's performance this season hasn't been as good as I had hoped.

I mean he's always fun to watch, the lines they give him are hilarious, and I like the character. Of course, this is true. But he's totally ineffective in conveying any kind of deep emotions. Is that the point?
Have to disagree, Dinklage is still one of the standout performances for me. He was excellent in his scenes with Cersei and Shae in the most recent episode. The Shae scenes was severely dismissed though I felt due to the juxtaposition of his amazing acting against Shae's...not so great acting, although to be fair it was also due to the fact that's it's very hard to understand why Tyrion is so infatuated with her (in the books as well really).
 
Meh, it was so heavy handed I couldn't take it seriously. Osha sneaking into Winterfell in broad daylight, the clunky reveal dialogue...eh.

Yeah, I was like, "Really? You're going to whisper loudly about something you don't want Bran to hear, when he is literally right around the corner?"
 
Not necessarily frightfully disappointed, but a little sad that it hasn't grown as I'd hoped it would. It's a victim of small budget and rushed production, but that's just the nature of the beast.



You don't know what you're missing.

I think it's good, I'm just baffled at some of the creative decisions and disappointed that I'm coming to the realization that this will probably never be a truly great show. There's simply too much material, not enough thematic string holding it together, and questionable writing for it to be something that matches something like The Rome (S1), Breaking Bad, The Shield etc.
 
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