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Game of Thrones - Season 2 - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Sundays on HBO
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lol is this real?
Hah, I guess I missed out on this. Must be pretty cool to feel that close to the series.
I think they made a mistake but not selling home the point that her looks had changed notably from when Theon was a boy. It came across as quite weird to a normal viewer I'm sure. As I said before though, they clearly went with the decision to cast someone who looked like Balon's actor rather than someone who looked like Asha "should."
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
It's not just that; most people believe that warriors should be jacked as hell or incredibly cut. That is just the Hollywood stereotype.
Same with Gendry. I remember that many fans complained angrily about the actor not being built like a bull, despiting the fact that this
is the body of a very fit person, not to mention the fact that blacksmiths are not huge like bodybuilders.
r.e. Whelan... yep, looks like he posted that his sister was trying out for Doreah as far back as June 2010 and then last year mentioned the role of Asha was being tried out for on that day. Pretty neat.
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http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=22055575&highlight=#post22055575
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=27749358&highlight=#post27749358
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Nevertheless, Season 4 will be downright INSANE. So much happens in the last third of ASOS that it's incomparable. And it's not even some petty setups, but basically one amazing scene after another, without a slowdown in pace.
Only thing we have to hope for though is that ratings after Season 4 will be high enough that the series will survive past AFFC/ADWD. No matter one's opinion on the quality of books, but the drop in viewership will be quite significant I think.
There is basically no way they could fit Red Wedding in Season 3, especially with some plots from ACOK still hanging (like Theon/Winterfell/Reek as they are definitely being left for later). I'd guess he referred to "Season Three" as whole ASOS and those "two scenes" will be in Season 4.
Nevertheless, Season 4 will be downright INSANE. So much happens in the last third of ASOS that it's incomparable. And it's not even some petty setups, but basically one amazing scene after another, without a slowdown in pace.
Only thing we have to hope for though is that ratings after Season 4 will be high enough that the series will survive past AFFC/ADWD. No matter one's opinion on the quality of books, but the drop in viewership will be quite significant I think.
LegendofJoe
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While I'm interestted in sing how SoS will be split up, I'm more interested in seeing how AffC and ADwD will be handled. The show producers will have the opportunity to get much more creative than they've been able to be thus far due to the fact that both books are concurrent. I have no idea how they will break up the books but I am incredibly excited to see what they come up with. I'm confident they'll be able to do what GRRM wasn't able to do and deliver a concise, connected plotline. It very well could come out as the definitive version of the story for books 4 and 5.
You can speed forward some storylines and slow down others. [series spoiler]
Arya could be sped up in order to reach the red wedding. Red wedding could be episode 9 of season 3 and then you can have the incident with Joffrey be in episode 10 in order to have a good ending. Yes Red Wedding is deep into Storm of Swords but you can't just count pages, you have to consider the amount of action that happens in these events. The battle at the Wall will take up a lot of minutes. A lot of the events that happen in the first half of storm of swords aren't very filmable and can be shortened. Arya can't go around from town to town meeting up with various people. That will be condensed. Also the budget for season 4 if you consider all the events that happen will be huge. It would need 90-100 million to be done right.
There's plenty of stuff midway through the book that could work as season finale material (ASOS)
Jon escaping from the Wildlings and heading for the Wall, Arya getting captured by the Hound, Sam and Gilly getting saved from the Others by Coldhands, and Dany defeating Yunakai in battle, then setting her sights on Mereen.
HBO needs to suck it up and give them 12-14 episode seasons.
Yes and that still means splitting season 3.
At the rate were going they are gonna start averaging 2 minutes on each story and occasionally be able to give 5 minutes on certain episodes. Which is just gonna kill the flow.
Cornballer
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Alternatively, they went with who they thought was the best actress for the role out of the women they brought in for auditions.
The problem with this is that they're currently taking ~11 months to shoot 10 episodes. It sounds like they'd have a lot of problems squeezing more episodes out of a single calendar year.
That's true, but I think her appearance being so similar to Balon must have played a role in why they felt like she was the best choice.
Funky Papa
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The only part where I thought that Yara's looks were off was when Theon eyefucked her as if she were the most desirable chick in town. Specially since the make up department tried its best not to make her look like a doll.
Then again, Theon looks like a bit of a horndog.
Then again, Theon looks like a bit of a horndog.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Whoa, that's crazy. Hey guy, if you're out there somewhere, tell your sister I'll take her out. I'm a super stud
as long as my mommy let's me stay out past 8 oclock.
All these people talking about ratings to sustain the show longterm need to remember this is HBO.
Ratings are not the be all end all. In fact they aren't even the main concern.
Subscriptions, subscriptions, subscriptions, subscriptions! That's HBO's first concern.
Secondary, as stated by HBO veterans and the top brass are retaining quality talent, TOTAL viewership, series buzz(which drives subscriptions), network buzz, awards(which plays in to buzz), critical acclaim(plays into buzz), DVD sales, overseas revenue for a show(over half the shows budget is payed for by overseas revenue alone)
Game of thrones is possibly HBO's most successful show right now: high viewership, critical acclaim, great DVD sales, the series with the best overseas revenue flowing in - its doing just fine people!
Ratings are not the be all end all. In fact they aren't even the main concern.
Subscriptions, subscriptions, subscriptions, subscriptions! That's HBO's first concern.
Secondary, as stated by HBO veterans and the top brass are retaining quality talent, TOTAL viewership, series buzz(which drives subscriptions), network buzz, awards(which plays in to buzz), critical acclaim(plays into buzz), DVD sales, overseas revenue for a show(over half the shows budget is payed for by overseas revenue alone)
Game of thrones is possibly HBO's most successful show right now: high viewership, critical acclaim, great DVD sales, the series with the best overseas revenue flowing in - its doing just fine people!
That's a good point. Still, the show is already bordering on feeling rushed. Going forward is going to be tough. Though I guess doing SoS over 20 episodes is probably sufficient.
......though I bet the writers could give themselves the equivelent of almost an extra episode every season if they would just cut out the unnecisarry sexposition and unnecisarry sex scenes in general.
SerArthurDayne
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That is certainly a point in her favor, although I don't think familial resemblance is that important in a show.
We haven't seen enough of her range to see how she actually inhabits the role, and I think that has lead to a lot of the criticism resting on how she fills the role.
I still maintain that they goofed and got Osha and Yara cast backwards.
Funky Papa
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That reminds me that I need me more crazy Osha.
Considering the direct previous scene, I have no idea how that would look off to someone. He'd probably eyefuck half the men on Pyke after that.
Brian Fellows
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Exactly what I was thinking. Theon ain't picky.
Just for fun i decided to crunch some numbers here(feel free to correct me)
For reference Game of Thrones season 1 budget: 60,000,000?
NOTE: I'm rounding numbers to just get a general outline.
So In total Game of Thrones has generated roughly 82 million in revenue for HBO.. Though there is still revenue that will continue from DVD sales and rental revenue like through Netflix(I assume they get money from Netflix?) or people that signed up for HBO for reasons directly related to Game of Thrones. Likewise there are certainly additional costs for GoT like marketing and DVD production costs. My conclusion would be that this is a damn healthy investment for HBO going forward and it looks like based on the numbers they are making a decent profit on this series.
For reference Game of Thrones season 1 budget: 60,000,000?
Overseas revenue via Financial Times: 2,700,000 per episode = 27,000,000
DVD sales as of 4/1/12: 22,000,000
Blu ray sales as of 3/25/12: 33,000,0000
DVD sales as of 4/1/12: 22,000,000
Blu ray sales as of 3/25/12: 33,000,0000
NOTE: I'm rounding numbers to just get a general outline.
So In total Game of Thrones has generated roughly 82 million in revenue for HBO.. Though there is still revenue that will continue from DVD sales and rental revenue like through Netflix(I assume they get money from Netflix?) or people that signed up for HBO for reasons directly related to Game of Thrones. Likewise there are certainly additional costs for GoT like marketing and DVD production costs. My conclusion would be that this is a damn healthy investment for HBO going forward and it looks like based on the numbers they are making a decent profit on this series.
IAmtheFMan
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At this point who's arguing that GoT ISN'T a success for HBO?
If you guys want to talk misogyny, try following the Boardwalk Empire threads. It's just a handful of people, but it's pretty shocking at times.
Exactly. I couldn't believe that some people wanted (ASOS)
the Red Wedding included in the first half. Maybe they forgot how late in the book that happens.
Well there are a few worriers earlier this page that think it might not get renewed after the next season or two.
Which got me interested in seeing what the numbers look like for the show. Figured I'd share. *shrugs*
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Sounds about right. There's also the chance of one day syndicating the show like Sopranos. But they'd have to cut out a lot of stuff and that won't be or years, so it may never happen.
Cornballer
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- GAFfer Magnus with a breakdown of this week's episode: THIS WEEK on Game of Thrones: The Night Lands
There's some discussion of camera angles and cinematography in his writeup that I found interesting.
There's some discussion of camera angles and cinematography in his writeup that I found interesting.
LegendofJoe
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I strongly feel that if the DVD/BRD set for Season 1 had come out during the holiday season HBO would have brought in a LOT more money. The show has an audience now, there is no need to cross promote a new season and the disk set at the same time. Hopefully, they'll get season 2 on shelves quicker than they did the first season.
HBO doesn't have a deal with Netflix. The only way they'd get money from them is when Netflix buys their box sets via a distributor. So they do get some money but it is indirect.
Also, are you using the-numbers.com for your DVD/BR sales info? I'd take their estimates of sales with a large grain of salt as they've been way off many times when the real sales info is released by studios/networks. They are the VG Chartz of DVD sales.
But yeah, I'm sure HBO is making a boatload of money from this show. You didn't even mention all the merchandise which, judging by the amount of stuff they keep adding to their online store, must be selling very well.
In times of war every hole is a trench.
I just assumed(I guess wrongly) that studios got additional revenue from Netflix the same way streaming music sites pay royalties to labels and musicians.
Yeah it is the-numbers.com, I couldn't find numbers anywhere else.
How does it work with DVD numbers? The public only finds out once a studio releases the numbers themselves? Do all studios do that? And when should we expect the hard numbers from HBO?
That is an 100% terrible awful idea to end the season with that. I can't believe you said that.
No one would watch the following season if it ended that way. It's important for the story not to end there to give people something to root for and care about. It also would completely destroy the surprise. Everyone would know what would happen if the finale ended going back to Frey's to make an apology. It was shocking in the book because it came out of nowhere.
I don't like having multiple seasons for one book. I think they should just give Season 3 more episodes.
Basically, yeah. I don't think studios always do it. Generally only if it is a really big seller and they want to brag. HBO released the numbers for the first week, but I don't think they will release them again.
EDIT: Netflix does pay licensing to studios for streaming rights, but HBO doesn't want their shows on Netflix Instant. They want people to subscribe to HBO and use HBO GO instead. Netflix still offers the DVDs for rental, but again, they only get those DVDs through a distributor and not directly through HBO.
I always wondered how shows like this indirectly drive the rest of HBO. I know people who only got HBO because of Sopranos and Sex & the City so even subscription directly benefit. Plus it helps the shows following it.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
Any port in a storm.
ASOS
They could easily slow down certain storylines and give Robb's storyline more scenes to make the Red Wedding even more shocking and then give some stuff more emphasis in Season 4 when Robb is out of the picture. I really do think that ending the third season with a two-hitter like Episode 9 Red Wedding -> Episode 10 Joffrey's Death would be a kind of best case scenario. That way the season could end with not one but two game changing events (RW & Joffrey's death), Arya being knocked out by The Hound, Tyrion being accused of Joffrey's death, Dany buying the Unsullied (or such), Jon maybe escaping the Wildlings etc. That would also lead into a very good early Season 4, with Tyrion's trial, the whole aftermath of the Red Wedding being kinda crazy, Arya on the run again etc. This way they could end Season 4 with stuff like Dany conquering & settling in Meereen, Tyrion killing Tywin & escaping, Arya setting sail, Zombie Cat's reveal, Bran going beyond the Wall etc., which are all good ways of ending Season 4. If they left both Red Wedding and Joffrey's for Season 4, I'm not sure if Season 3 would have big enough payoffs for many characters, it would still be mostly setting up those events, which might not make for satisfying TV.
All this PLUS they could definitely add some stuff from AFFC & ADWD to the ending of the fourth season.
All this PLUS they could definitely add some stuff from AFFC & ADWD to the ending of the fourth season.
I knew I should've used that one. More apt for a Greyjoy.
100% agreed. I knew so many people who wanted to make a gift of the first season over the holidays.
Thanks for the shout-out dude!
bengraven
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Pretty much agree with this. If she can act the part of Asha, she'll do fine.
But when reading the books, I'm going to have to try hard to strike HBO's Yara from my imagination.
I don't see why it's being misogynistic to want more eye candy on the show
It's not like Nina Gold and the casting department haven't been providing good looking men for all the female fans of the show. Are women being misandrist for hoping Jaqen is hot?Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I don't want every actor to be pretty, TBH. That's what we have Spartacus for
Edit: I'm not familiar with the newer characters, but that Jaqen fellow looks... interesting.
Edit: I'm not familiar with the newer characters, but that Jaqen fellow looks... interesting.
IAmtheFMan
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Holy crap, hahaha. That's a twist I didn't see coming.
My god. I can't help but laugh. What a twist indeed.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
The Theon, Yara scene has got to get whelan feelin' a little weird. Rubbin' bellies and makin' eyes. This ain't no footlocker commercial.
bengraven
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Totally calling him Theon in response to something from now on.
Interestingly enough, he seems to have disappeared around the time the show premiered. Maybe he doesn't want to see what we think.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
He's here somewhere. Watching... and waiting.
Shit, you're right. (Though I quite like Natalia as Osha, she really would make a perfect Asha.)
This. While I still find her very unattractive it is actually believable that she could be a warrior/fighter unlike the current yara/asha.
Maybe spoilerish, don't click unless you have read the second book: (ACOK)
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/29700000/asoiaf-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-29748700-600-400.jpg
I'm still going to imagine this.
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/29700000/asoiaf-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-29748700-600-400.jpg
I'm still going to imagine this.
No I won't.
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