Sort of like the Tomb Raider DE situation. Better looking faces technically speaking, maybe even artistically too depending on subjective opinion, but lacking the same emotive qualities.
Gears of War UE - Cinematic Comparison
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Sort of like the Tomb Raider DE situation. Better looking faces technically speaking, maybe even artistically too depending on subjective opinion, but lacking the same emotive qualities.
Cert.in.Death
Member
Put me in the "old is better" camp.
Yeah, I agree with you about the expressions. Something definitely feels lost in translation. These hardened characters just feel too... "soft". Maybe if it were Judgment when they were younger and inexperienced, but they've all been through a lot of horrors over the years and the new face textures/modelling don't seem to reflect the scars as well.
Also still preferred the blue-flashes during Kim's death. It just works better with the music IMO.
Otherwise, I don't mind the changes/updates.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
It doesn't have to, because factually, the new version is more expressive while the old version was super stiff because the facial rigs were very simple in comparison. Conveying emotion isn't done by having very static faces, faces are not stiff, faces go through a lot of emotion. Preferring one or the other is subjective, but factually, there's more emotion in the expressions of the new version simply based on the fact that they move more appropriately, (and there are more closeups overall).
Orochinagis
Member
Minh doesnt looks like he is fighting for his life, or screaming shooting to any locust in front of him like the old cinematic.
But I agree for new players probably wont notice the difference
DirtyLarry
Member
This is exactly what I am trying to say.
I am not saying the older characters are more impressive technically.
I am saying it is my opinion, and no doubt it is subjective and others will disagree with it, that the newer characters lack character, or as you put it, "emotive qualities."
Yet for having this opinion, I get lines like "did you even watch it" or that I am "cherry picking" which is a bunch of bullshit.
And yes, I even concede the newer models are clearly capable of more subtle emotion, but especially in that Markus example, he goes from no emotion whatsoever to a holy shit look. Yes, the holy shit look is well done, as I said in my first post with the picture that no one seemed to take the time to read. However I prefer that the older character has emotion the entire time.
Soft is a good way to put it I would say. Again, I concede the characters go through the emotions in a more pronounced way, but the starting emotion in both examples is what I have an issue with. They, as you put it, look "soft" instead of hardened and or pissed or angry, which I feel the older characters clearly had that quality.
See above what I say about Marcus.
But to elaborate, there is no doubt it is more impressive technically, however it is the base emotion that seems off, even lifeless.
Perhaps this was intentional to make the subtle animation that much more noticeable and the transition even more apparent. However it is the lifeless look of the new versions I am not a fan of and think that even with the limitations of the older technology, they somehow were able to convey more emotion.
I am not denying it is a fact the new technology is capable of more impressive animation. What I am saying is I do not think this automatically has equated to being better at conveying the emotion in the overall scene.
And with the above said, I am out of this thread for good. Literally never clicking it again.
It is not like I am cancelling my preorder based on what I have seen. It was just an observation. One I thought was actually a casual one until people felt the need to address me like I am so sort of idiot. I thought observations like the one I made are why we even post these types of videos, to discuss them, but clearly what do I know.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
What the fuck happen to the flashes
why is Baird's armor grey
where are the lights
no this won't do at all!
why is Baird's armor grey
where are the lights
no this won't do at all!
Blue instagram filter is perhaps a bit much in the original but I actually prefer some of its camera direction. That said, the Ultimate Edition has noticeably better models and environments, so I don't know.
If I was going to compare this to Halo Anniversary (1 and 2) I'd say they all fall into the trap of straying just a wee bit too far from the original intended look. Halo CEA had serious issues where the new graphics just completely killed the atmosphere (Two Betrayals being the worst offending level-it was too bright for a night level).
I hope this doesn't fall into that same trap but I'm almost certain it will in parts.
If I was going to compare this to Halo Anniversary (1 and 2) I'd say they all fall into the trap of straying just a wee bit too far from the original intended look. Halo CEA had serious issues where the new graphics just completely killed the atmosphere (Two Betrayals being the worst offending level-it was too bright for a night level).
I hope this doesn't fall into that same trap but I'm almost certain it will in parts.
Apparently you, since you're so mad. Damn lol
They look more expressive because they had to overexaggerate the base facial features due to the lack of animation.
Coletrains face barely moves.
Diablohead
Member
The newer look matches the gears 3 style a lot more then the darker gritty gears 1 design, doesn't help that some of the backgrounds in some angles are completely flat and bland in the remaster while the original had some nice building work in view.
Proactiv
EDIT
ITT: People who aren't artists, people who aren't animators, those who didn't play the beta, those who haven't touched Gears 1 since '06/'07 and those who aren't even buying the game
Not liking the slight change in direction is one thing and understandable, but calling UE significantly worse is fundamentally ignorant. Like, what?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
New ones are way better. Not sure how one can see otherwise. Having said that, I have 2 questions.
1) Are the new scenes CG or new engine?
2) is this game using UE4 or 3?
1) Are the new scenes CG or new engine?
2) is this game using UE4 or 3?
Rated-Rsuperstar
Member
Gears 1 had the best music in the series. If they're changing everything else, im assuming they're changing that to.
Vincent Alexander
Member
I must be crazy....I don't like how this remaster looks at all. I'll get it anyway for multiplayer, but...yeah.
I had to check which was old and which was new a couple of times during the comparisons. I was like "what the fuck...? These must be labeled wrong."
zackmorris
Member
I feel like the new one has a lot less detail. Kind of strange.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
I may be going against the grain here but...
Luckily, none of those things are prerequisites to having eyes and opinions.
Maybe they really feel that strongly about it. We're not looking at a PS2 -> Xbox360 generational leap here.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Yeah. The new one almost looks like what bad bluray transfers look like where they've just smoothed and glossed out the detail. At least to me, anyway.
Vincent Alexander
Member
The new ones look like you could plop their models right into Team Fortress 2. They don't look bad. Just...not Gears of War.There's just something really off about the lighting to me, looks really flat in an off-putting way.
Just take a look at Cole's bicep, there's no shading or shadows in the contours of his muscles, it's all singular in skin tone. Looks weird to me.
Psychoward
Banned
what's the point of tweaking the cinematography of the cutscenes? resources would have been better spent elsewhere.... like porting over 2 and 3 as well or not charging full price
ref
Member
Obvious the new ones are technically superior, but I prefer the original atmosphere.
Don't think anyone would say technically the old ones look better, but there's certainly nothing wrong with saying they prefer the original presentation.
Don't think anyone would say technically the old ones look better, but there's certainly nothing wrong with saying they prefer the original presentation.
LegalEagleMike
Member
They are not charging full price.
Barrow Roll
Member
I forget where I heard it, but they're not rerecording any of the music, just remastering it using the original audio files.
boredofcanada
Member
I like both versions to be honest. The kryll look pretty badass in the UE version, which means they will probably look good in Fuel Depot. Besides, Im not getting this game for Campaign, so its really just a bonus for me. I'll probably play the campaign a month after release.
FreezerGeezer
Member
I cannot wait to play through this! Been many a year since I played through it with my brother back in the day.
Looking forward to replaying the story and getting back into the MP.
Looking forward to replaying the story and getting back into the MP.
Orochinagis
Member
There's just something off about the lighting to me, looks really flat in an off-putting way.
Just take a look at Cole's bicep, there's no shading or shadows in the contours of his muscles, it's all singular in skin tone. Looks odd.
Dom looks so happy in his new "fatty" face
blue_phazon
Member
The comment about the original looking too "gamey" is on point.
The new one has way better direction.
The new one has way better direction.
Diablohead
Member
since they gave Cole his beard from his younger self and Dom already has his, just give everyone a damn beard in the middle of a war where everyone has time to trim up before heading out to shoot grubs.
it's annoying me why Cole has a baby face compared to his older rugged look.
it's annoying me why Cole has a baby face compared to his older rugged look.
There's just something off about the lighting to me, looks really flat in an off-putting way.
Just take a look at Cole's bicep, there's no shading or shadows in the contours of his muscles, it's all singular in skin tone. Looks odd.
Yeah, there were some instances that the characters looked as if they were in a studio with a photo shoot lighting.