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[YukiOnna]

I'll give Sucker Punch the benefit of the doubt since they did well with Tsushima. Although, that was a different time period for when the game started development compared to now, so some caution on my end. At least the NYTimes feature was assuring minus the annoying multimedia franchise nonsense Hermen keeps pushing. I hope JP Audio is in at launch this time (IIRC it came after for Tsushima?)

That said, I despise protagonist changes so it'll take a bit to get used to and there isn't much confidence in how Western developers write female ones for me

 

[DeepSpace5D]

...vs observing the profound physical disadvantages women have in combat our entire lives.

I would completely agree with you if we were talking about hand-to-hand combat.

But weapons can be a great equalizer. In this case, a woman who I am assuming is very trained with using a katana and guns can absolutely kill males despite her physical disadvantages. Small women kill large men with knives in the real world all the time.

 

[GnomeChimpsky]

Complete creative bankruptcy, as expected.

 

[Business]

Yet were practically lactating themselves over Neir and Stellar Ass. I'm confused.

I’ll explain, on one side you have stylized fantasy over the top action games that don’t need to make much sense from a real world standpoint and you throw in a hot female main character for the aesthetics of the tits and ass. On the other you have a game that presents itself as sort of realistic and historically accuarte, where you are implicitly asked to believe a female samurai could consistently and successfully engage male opponents despite being at a terrible disadvantage in terms of strenght, speed, reach… you name it.

You may think this is of little importance, it’s just a videogame and I may even agree, although it’s also true it would be naive to look at Sony’s main IPs and miss the pattern / agenda. Anyway, that’s the explanation.

 

[TrueGrime]

Agreed. A grounded world like Ghost of Yeti needs to have 110lb women in the kitchen cooking ramen. Sucker Punch has gone full woke.

LMAO. Shit is still going to sell gangbusters, and like I mentioned before, I can't wait to play it.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I personally wouldn't care. This is a fictional work and it never actually makes any point of being some real life type thing.

Look at the child solders in MGSV

So...its fake. (and yes, I'm aware child solders exist in this country lol)

So I can't speak for Topher , but I'm personally ok even with the hypothetical you are saying. We don't actually NEED some real life refence for it to exist anymore then we don't need someone to tell us a female in real life killed 88 people with a samurai sword

Can you picture a protagonist where even you would say "OK, now that's pushing it"? Where is the line for you to say "Actually, casting a role matters and they did poorly here."

 

[GigaBowser]

dirgusting buuuuuuuut you only got ta see her back when you plays sooooo it will still be amazing my friends

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I would completely agree with you if we were talking about hand-to-hand combat.

But weapons can be a great equalizer. In this case, a woman who I am assuming is very trained with using a katana and guns can absolutely kill males despite her physical disadvantages. Small women kill large men with knives in the real world all the time.

True, but do they kill trained male soldiers all the time?

Ronda Rousey can beat up a lot of men. She can't beat up a lot of male UFC fighters.

 

[Pejo]

Small women kill large men with knives in the real world all the time.

 

[Dynasty8]

I really don’t get why people get so pressed about race or gender of who you play as in a videogame. Be it here or on the other forum. Theres room for it all. Game looks good tho - not mind blowing but good

A few years ago, I would 100% agree with you.

But there's this very overt & obvious trend happening where many entertainment companies in games, movies and tv are trying to cash in on this overly political "uprising" after all the shit that went down in 2020. We all know it's fake and they don't care, but regardless, in doing so, they started hiring various people to fulfill certain roles of leadership and other roles. This is where my personal problem comes in. It's not about race or gender, it's the people behind it trying to make it all about them and not the players or fans. This hurts the overall products. It creates a toxic positivity environment where you can't question anything otherwise you're a bigot and will probably lose your job.

Many games and projects I am/was interested in started shifting drastically into personal ideologies, beliefs and other stuff to conform to these "various" people's values, not the players, not the fans.

• Robert Brookes was hired by Bungie in March 2020. 8 months later, two characters who've always been considered "brothers in arms" throughout the entire lore turned out to be gay for one another. Story became so much more cringe after and many Destiny fans even agree it was forced.
• Corrine Busche changed positions to creative director for the new Dragon Age game around the same time, their presence is felt throughout the initial impressions. Game just doesn't look like a Dragon Age game anymore. Some of us have been waiting 10 years.
• Lisa Brown transitioned from Bungie to Firewalk studios around the same time and became the Principal Game Designer for their new game, she pushed extreme politics & wanted unvaxxed staff fired. It was also reported where development had toxic positivity, where no one is able to question anything.
• We all have seen what's been happening with Ubisoft recently, but they are one of the biggest companies who've made this shift more obvious than anyone else. Their hiring mentorship practices reeks of DEI, and I hate using that word. Look how much it has not only affected their game quality, but their stock in the last few years.
• There's also Rocksteady who instead of using their creative talent to make the game better, they had to rely on a "enforcing" DEI consultant firm to alter the script/dialogue. Well... Look at the difference. That affects the game significantly.

MOST people don't want to see BLM, Pride flags and "fuck capitalism" gen z teen writing... People can disagree with me and say I'm wrong, but the recent sales data corroborates this too.

 

[bender]

Show me the liat

 

[DeepSpace5D]

I’m mainly referring to domestic violence incidents, but it happens more than you think. I’d be happy to share with you some pretty sad documentaries if you’d like.

My main point is weapons are an equalizer when at a physical disadvantage against someone.

 

[Interfectum]

Not sure why people are complaining, it’s just a female main character, no sign of any weird sh…

“themme fatale”

 

[tmlDan]

I'll give Sucker Punch the benefit of the doubt since they did well with Tsushima. Although, that was a different time period for when the game started development compared to now, so some caution on my end. At least the NYTimes feature was assuring minus the annoying multimedia franchise nonsense Hermen keeps pushing. I hope JP Audio is in at launch this time (IIRC it came after for Tsushima?)

That said, I despise protagonist changes so it'll take a bit to get used to and there isn't much confidence in how Western developers write female ones for me

Japanese was there at launch, but i think the mouth syncing came later, not the VO.

I remember playing it at launch in Japanese, i'll do the same with this

 

[DeepSpace5D]

True, but do they kill trained male soldiers all the time?

Ronda Rousey can beat up a lot of men. She can't beat up a lot of male UFC fighters.

Perhaps not a soldier if both parties are ready for the engagement and both have weapons. But it’s a videogame at the end of the day, isn’t it?

I’m just saying it’s not so farfetched or impossible for me to suspend disbelief when weapons are involved. The backhanded slap that knocks out men in one shot like in Star Wars: Outlaws is ridiculous though. It’s way more unbelievable for me when it’s hand-to-hand.

 

[Pejo]

I’m mainly referring to domestic violence incidents, but it happens more than you think. I’d be happy to share with you some pretty sad documentaries if you’d like.

My main point is weapons are an equalizer when at a physical disadvantage against someone.

Well I guess if you keep moving the goalposts until you're right, it's hard to argue against you?

Even still, I don't buy your point when it comes to melee weapons or something that requires/tests physical strength.

 

[DeepSpace5D]

Well I guess if you keep moving the goalposts until you're right, it's hard to argue against you?

Even still, I don't buy your point when it comes to melee weapons or something that requires/tests physical strength.

What goalpost did I move exactly? I feel like I just reiterated my original point?

 

[Topher]

So I can't speak for Topher , but I'm personally ok even with the hypothetical you are saying. We don't actually NEED some real life refence for it to exist anymore then we don't need someone to tell us a female in real life killed 88 people with a samurai sword

I think it would be doable considering even Jin in GoT was exaggerated greatly. No man is going to take on an multiple Mongol garrisons single handed or zip around a dozen mountains with a grappling hook to pray at a shrine. Why are we pretending any of this is "grounded" in reality? It just isn't.

You are missing the bigger picture. A team of developers who choose to seek out a representative of a certain community will also make decisions to represent it in other aspects of the game. It’s an indicator of what’s to come. This is not by accident imo.

Whenever that is good or bad is everyone’s personal opinion.

That's your assumption. If you are correct then I'll consider the facts of the matter then. As of right now, we don't know any of that to be true.

 

[Heisenberg007]

The music in this trailer was absolute

 

[_Idea_of_Evil_]

Not sure why people are complaining, it’s just a female main character, no sign of any weird sh…

“themme fatale”

 

[bender]

Not sure why people are complaining, it’s just a female main character, no sign of any weird sh…

“themme fatale”

Actors and actresses can have colorful personal lives and still turn in good performances. Look no further than the past of the person in the GIF you posted.

 

[Pejo]

What goalpost did I move exactly? I feel like I just reiterated my original point?

I had issue with your point that "Small women kill large men with knives in the real world all the time."

You replied to that with something that had nothing to do with what I quoted.

 

[sendit]

Or, and hear me out, they could write her character based on her innate physical disadvantages rather than turn her into the strongest BRUTE on the island?

That would actually be interesting so they won't do it.

Agreed. A 110lb female cook who uses the scent of cherry blossoms to lure her victims into a hot spring, where she serenades them with a calming koto melody while secretly lacing their miso soup with fugu (puffer fish) poison.

I think you're on to something bro.

 

[GooseMan69]

I’ll explain, on one side you have stylized fantasy over the top action games that don’t need to make much sense from a real world standpoint and you throw in a hot female main character for the aesthetics of the tits and ass. On the other you have a game that presents itself as sort of realistic and historically accuarte, where you are implicitly asked to believe a female samurai could consistently and successfully engage male opponents despite being at a terrible disadvantage in terms of strenght, speed, reach… you name it.

You may think this is of little importance, it’s just a videogame and I may even agree, although it’s also true it would be naive to look at Sony’s main IPs and miss the pattern / agenda. Anyway, that’s the explanation.

In the first game, Jin could teleport between enemies at the speed of light and summon lightning from the sky. A woman character dispatching enemies isn’t exactly a huge leap from that.

 

[Trilobit]

I always knew Jin might not be the MC in the sequel and I'm glad they went with a new character instead of forcing him into a sequel where they didn't know what to do with him in that era. Instead we get the 17th century with all that entails.

The game looks amazing and I'll probably salivate like crazy when riding through the environments. Though I'm still a little bit sad to not see Jin again as I really loved the character.

 

[Topher]

70 year old woman kills a 31 year old man with a knife concealed in her cane. I shit you not.

Philly woman sentenced to at least 20 years for killing man with sword hidden in a cane on Main Line

A 70-year-old woman from Philly has been sentenced to 20 to 40 years in prison for the murder of a man who was killed with a sword that was hidden in a cane.

www.nbcphiladelphia.com

 

[TrueGrime]

Well I guess if you keep moving the goalposts until you're right, it's hard to argue against you?

Even still, I don't buy your point when it comes to melee weapons or something that requires/tests physical strength.

Just curious here. You're saying that male strength will always trump a smaller female that knows how to use weapons, including knives?

 

[CartesianMan]

Ok. This looks like a modern game.

 

[adamsapple]

70 year old woman kills a 35 year old man with a knife concealed in her cane. I shit you not.

Philly woman sentenced to at least 20 years for killing man with sword hidden in a cane on Main Line

A 70-year-old woman from Philly has been sentenced to 20 to 40 years in prison for the murder of a man who was killed with a sword that was hidden in a cane.

www.nbcphiladelphia.com

Ghost of South Central.

 

[Raven117]

Having a female protagonist with a revenge story could really be good without it feeling forced

Imagine if her child was killed or kidnapped or something pushing her story forward with twists along the way.

Sucker punch gets the benefit of the doubt here

Agreed. There is nothing inherently wrong with a female protagonist (combat prowess aside irl… this is a video game. Who cares).

The issue is when they don’t develop her hero’s arc. Or better yet, they should focus on what a hero’s arc looks like for a women. (Sarah Conner and Ripley are incredible examples of well written, layered, and complex women… whose strengths and weakness reflected that of women). Hell, even Sadie from Red Dead 2 was decent enough in this regard.

They go this route… we are in for something very cool and unique. They go the Mary Sue route… or something so basic with her overcoming some banal “flaw” within herself… we are in for a disappointing story.

 

[Pejo]

70 year old woman kills a 31 year old man with a knife concealed in her cane. I shit you not.

Philly woman sentenced to at least 20 years for killing man with sword hidden in a cane on Main Line

A 70-year-old woman from Philly has been sentenced to 20 to 40 years in prison for the murder of a man who was killed with a sword that was hidden in a cane.

www.nbcphiladelphia.com

That's one, how does that quantify to "all the time?" Surely there should be a few from today if this is so common?

Just curious here. You're saying that male strength will always trump a smaller female that knows how to use weapons, including knives?

Often enough that we will never see a military unit of female soldiers with small knives, yes. Without the element of surprise I would estimate this is VERY rare.

 

[clarky]

Bro that Fuji mountain looks fucking amazing.
Edit: that's not Fuji lmao.

Ive hiked up Yotei a few times and snowboarded back down. Awesome place, interested to see what villages surround it and compare.

 

[Heisenberg007]

It was long predicted that Sony will treat Ghost of Tsushima as their own Assassin's Creed.

Different protagonists in different time periods and even in different countries would make sense for this IP.

I LOVED Jin and would prefer to play as him in the sequel. But it's not the end of the world. We could treat each game as its own thing - a kind of a new IP - with fresh ideas, instead of forcing a sequel story that didn't come organically.

 

[DeepSpace5D]

I had issue with your point that "Small women kill large men with knives in the real world all the time."

You replied to that with something that had nothing to do with what I quoted.

In that case perhaps I should have said “it’s not uncommon” instead of saying it happens “all the time.” I’m not trying to say there is a crisis in the world concerning knife-carrying women.

But my original point was that weapons can be a great equalizer when someone is at a physical disadvantage against someone else, including women. That’s why it’s a great idea for women to carry a firearm in their purse when they go out alone.

And in this game, she uses both firearms and swords by the looks of it. We also know nothing about her level of training which absolutely plays a factor in ability.

 

[Topher]

That's one, how does that quantify to "all the time?" Surely there should be a few from today if this is so common?

woman kills man - Google Search

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Characters like Bayonetta, Jeanne, 2B, A2, Samus, and Claire prove that games can have badass playable female characters.

I hope Sucker Punch delivers a solid female character lead in Yotai and don't fill the game with excess thematic elements or variations of dialogue along the lines of "you can't do ______, you're a WOMAN!" - "YES, I CAN!!!", or "SHE is the Ghost. SHE is strong. SHE will save the people".

The icing of the cake will be if they make the main character in this game a lesbian - which seems to be the default setting for all Sony games.

 

[Boss Mog]

More girl-boss pandering, in Edo period Japan no less, I think I'll pass.

 

[Interfectum]

Actors and actresses can have colorful personal lives and still turn in good performances. Look no further than the past of the person in the GIF you posted.

No doubt… I guess we’ll just see how much of that vibe from her tweets translates into her performance.

 

[Varteras]

I'm okay with the main character being a woman. What I hope not to see is any kind of nonsense where all the men are incompetents, barbarians, or overt sexists while the women in the game hoard all the virtue and routinely humiliate the men in multiple ways. Just write her well. Make a compelling story without a bunch of virtue signaling. Also, avoid giving her a needlessly shitty attitude and give me the opportunity to like and empathize with her. Unlike Aloy.

 

[Interfectum]

The icing of the cake will be if they make the main character in this game a lesbian - which seems to be the default setting for all Sony games.

She will totally be gay, zero doubt.

 

[Pejo]

In that case perhaps I should have said “it’s not uncommon” instead of saying it happens “all the time.” I’m not trying to say there is a crisis in the world concerning knife-carrying women.

But my original point was that weapons can be a great equalizer when someone is at a physical disadvantage against someone else, including women. That’s why it’s a great idea for women to carry a firearm in their purse when they go out alone.

And in this game, she uses both firearms and swords by the looks of it. We also know nothing about her level of training which absolutely plays a factor in ability.

I don't want to be a stickler or a dick, but I think these sweeping generalizations used to just handwave modern progressive decisions in games that are trying to be period accurate are disrespectful. That was my real reasoning for quoting your post. It's a valid criticism in this case, in my opinion. Doesn't mean the game sucks or the character is bad, but if they're going for realism, they're already falling behind. People that are upset that they did the unmask reveal to see a woman have valid opinions.

woman kills man - Google Search

Couldn't even add "with knife" to your snarky link? Most of those links aren't relevant to the discussion at all, but thanks.

 

[DeepSpace5D]

That's one, how does that quantify to "all the time?" Surely there should be a few from today if this is so common?

Dude you’re interpreting “all the time” in a different way than I meant it to be. It doesn’t have to mean multiple times per day necessarily. I just meant it’s not an uncommon thing to happen in the real world.

Edit: here’s one of the more recent cases I watched.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

That's your assumption. If you are correct then I'll consider the facts of the matter then. As of right now, we don't know any of that to be true.

You are acting a if gay/lgbt actors in Japan are a common thing. It’s not at all comparable to the US/EU.

Japan just recently got their first tv show portraying real gay dudes to raise acceptance in Japan. They are rather conservative over there.

Then you have other pointers that show Sonys first party games having a lgbt axe to grind. From their biggest developers.

It’s okay. Not every piece of media has to cater to me, I enjoyed that privilege for decades.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

I'm okay with the main character being a woman. What I hope not to see is any kind of nonsense where all the men are incompetents, barbarians, or overt sexists while the women in the game hoard all the virtue and routinely humiliate the men in multiple ways. Just write her well. Make a compelling story without a bunch of virtue signaling. Also, avoid giving her a needlessly shitty attitude and give me the opportunity to like and empathize with her. Unlike Aloy.

You're asking for too much.

 

[SABRE220]

Wait youre telling me they did away with jin after just one game...damn.

 

[Trilobit]

I will say this though. If they've skipped these onsen scenes and don't show her butt then it's a case of serious double standards. I wish though there would be a toggle off in both games.

 

[nani17]

I see this floating around. Genderless hmm wonder how this will play out.

I'm looking forward to seeing more gemeplay to be honest

 

[Interfectum]

I see this floating around. Genderless hmm wonder how this will play out.

I'm looking forward to seeing more gemeplay to be honest

Can’t wait to see how her character is in this game.

 

[Topher]

Couldn't even add "with knife" to your snarky link? Most of those links aren't relevant to the discussion at all, but thanks.

Yeah.....because there are hundreds of pages of results and I was trying to drill down to ones that involved women killing men. No need to get butthurt about it.

 

[Cakeboxer]

The icing of the cake will be if they make the main character in this game a lesbian - which seems to be the default setting for all Sony games.

Did you miss the Wikipedia entry of the acress? I bet she would have declined the job if she had to play a hetero.