Ghost of Yotei dev details technical leap on PS5 (can now load millions of assets)

kazuyamishima said:
Forbidden West Budget is almost 3 times the budget of Yotei.

We have threads and threads about users complaining Sony games not been sustainable (Even if they're) and how Sony shouldn't care about high graphics but not it seems that graphics for Yotei generated complaints.
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I'm not one of them, i like big budget games so this defence doesn't work with me.

Nobody told sony to waste hundreds and hundreds of millions on concord and marathon and leave poor yotei with a 60 mil budget, so yeah, no pity from me...

P.s. forbidden west is also crossgen, no matter the budget, a nextgen only game made by a first party should not look much worse than an old crossgen game, full stop.
 
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FalsettoVibe said:
Agreed. So many bad faith, low effort, drive by posts in this thread alone.
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Like clockwork in any game related thread you have first page posters just shit posting. It gets tiring having to wade through it all. I think the game looks great and will be even better when not viewed with shitty YouTube compression. If it wasn't a first party game you'd have less complaints about the look of it, and it happens regardless of whether it's MS, Sony, or Nintendo.
 
GymWolf said:
I'm not one of them, i like big budget games so this defence doesn't work with me.

Nobody told sony to waste hundreds and hundreds of millions on concord and marathon and leave poor yotei with a 60 mil budget, so yeah, no pity from me...

P.s. forbidden west is also crossgen, no matter the budget, a nextgen only game made by a first party should not look much worse than an old crossgen game, full stop.
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Tsushima had the same budget and that was before concord and fair games.

Different studios have different budgets it seems.
 
kazuyamishima said:
Tsushima had the same budget and that was before concord and fair games.

Different studios have different budgets it seems.
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And?

Am i supposed to be happy that concord got a 400 mil budget and yotei only 60? 60 were ok for the first game on a franchise on ps4 (and it still showed, other than art design it was the less advanced sony open world graphically), but after the tsushima success, using the same exact budget is retarded.

Sony hook as always been high budget single player games, not gaas turds, so i'm gonna call out their shift in priority.
 
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ByWatterson said:
Democratic Party Politics GIF by Joe Biden
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It's not brave, it's just taking a stand, stop supporting demented people and the 'art' they create and they will stop getting the opportunity to create it.
 
I am a huge fan of the first game, and am theoretically excited for this one. I don't mind having a female lead and won't cancel the development team because 1 or 2 of them are blue haired anti-facists.....
but any time I watch footage of the game my mind always wanders. Like it isn't holding my attention, maybe because it just looks so similar to the first one. And I will definitely pay to play and beat more of that first game, but it really is not setting itself apart.
I guess it can't lose money since it seems like Sony limited their budget to almost nothing. But I think it will underperform compared to the first game.
 
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It's that time again when Gaf developers give their expert opinions on games development and graphics. With their vast experience and technical knowledge. Why waste time with articles from actual game developers???
 
Clear said:
Depends how observant and informed the judge is.

Unfortunately its sadly apparent how shallow a lot of people's appreciation is. To be honest it seems to me that way too much stock is placed in objectively shitty online video recordings where much detail is lost behind compression artifacts.

Then there's also the issue that it seems to me that a certain set of visual effects and features become "fashionable" and so any title that doesn't follow the style-du-jour ( historically, think abusing specular highlights for that glossy look beloved of earlier iterations of UE, or even the fad for excessive bloom on everything a few years before that) gets demeaned as looking "old" or outdated.

More than anything else I think that Digital Foundry's relentless shilling of proprietary hardware tech disguised as "analysis" has empowered the bone-headed graphics whore contingent to think that just because a certain technique exists in hardware, then it absolutely must be used even when the holistic result gains remarkably little over established techniques.
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The problem with Gaf is they don't realise developers don't give a fuck about their whining and bitching.
I'm glad this game has it's own stylised look. Don't want every game to look like UE5 core.
I'll wait for the end product. A game is more than just graphics. So far it looks like a good sequel.
 
Embearded said:
I swear GAF is the the directi opposite of Era.
In Era there is this stupid fake overly positive filter they see everything through. If you played insomniac Spiderman games you know what i sm talking about.

Here its the opposite. People will target a few games and shit on them with every chance.

Take a fucking chill pill.
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Feels like people on gaf just dont like video games. Rather talk shit about games than actually playing them.
 
Embearded said:
I swear GAF is the the directi opposite of Era.
In Era there is this stupid fake overly positive filter they see everything through. If you played insomniac Spiderman games you know what i sm talking about.

Here its the opposite. People will target a few games and shit on them with every chance.

Take a fucking chill pill.
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We're all Tylenol-Pilled here.
 
diffusionx said:
Yea, the comments in this thread are horse shit.

This game is clearly a good upgrade over Tsushima. And Tsushima was a top-5 PS4 game graphically.
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Eh, textures were soup in GoT. It's art was great though. GoY just looks like PS4 pro title. It's an upgrade, but a generational upgrade? Nah
 
diffusionx said:
Ghost of Tsushima was a PS4 Pro title, this looks (and runs) much better than it did on PS4 Pro.
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I wouldn't say it looks much better going from the footage we've seen thus far, whatever GI solution they are using is extremely lacklustre for 2025, plus the geometry looks near identicle to GoT. Going from the reactions ITT it seems most people are dissapointed with the visuals.
 
Senua said:
I wouldn't say it looks much better going from the footage we've seen thus far, whatever GI solution they are using is extremely lacklustre for 2025, plus the geometry looks near identicle to GoT. Going from the reactions ITT it seems most people are dissapointed with the visuals.
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The draw distance alone makes it a huge upgrade over Tsushima. Tsushima had these huge open areas with that hard line where the grass and stuff disappeared, by far the biggest issue of that game's graphics. Here it not only has more detail, it goes on for much longer.

Not to mention that the game ran at 30fps on PS4 and PS4 Pro, this is 60fps, but of course people don't think about that. They see what they want to see.
 
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diffusionx said:
The draw distance alone makes it a huge upgrade over Tsushima. Tsushima had these huge open areas with that hard line where the grass and stuff disappeared, by far the biggest issue of that game's graphics. Here it not only has more detail, it goes on for much longer.

But people see what they want to see.
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Yea the draw distance is a nice improvement, but that's not what people expect from a generational upgrade considering the other issues, hence the reaction in the thread. If people saw what they wanted to see then GoY would have stunning visuals..but alas.

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Senua said:
Yea the draw distance is a nice improvement, but that's not what people expect from a generational upgrade considering the other issues, hence the reaction in the thread. If people saw what they wanted to see then GoY would have stunning visuals..but alas.
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Or people are just really stupid and hating on something they have no intention of buying for online points.
 
diffusionx said:
Or people are just really stupid and hating on something they have no intention of buying for online points.
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I swear some people on here don't actually play (or like) games, they can't do, they spend all day on here complaining so they'd have no time to spare.

(the game looks amazing by the way, can't wait to play it, have it on pre-order)
 
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diffusionx said:
Or people are just really stupid and hating on something they have no intention of buying for online points.
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Perhaps some are just jumping on the bandwagon because of politics but others are genuinely dissapointed with the visuals, and have been long before the Charlie Kirk stuff. ChiefDada ChiefDada is even critical of the game, and if he isn't impressed with a Sony first party game you know you're in trouble :messenger_tongue:
 
Senua said:
Perhaps some are just jumping on the bandwagon because of politics but others are genuinely dissapointed with the visuals, and have been long before the Charlie Kirk stuff. ChiefDada ChiefDada is even critical of the game, and if he isn't impressed with a Sony first party game you know you're in trouble :messenger_tongue:
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I'm not buying this game. But it's a nice upgrade over the old game. Whether it does exactly what someone does or does not is irrelevant - it's an upgrade over the old game. People claiming it's not are just wrong.
 
diffusionx said:
GoT ran at 1080p 30fps, this is going to be 60fps and wahtever resolution, 1440p if not higher.

The level of detail and draw distance is clearly much better here.
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You can make those jumps and still deliver next gen looking game (maybe not 1440p but with 1080p TAAU for sure). Texture quality doesn't require more power, just more memory - and they failed with that.

Sebastian1295 said:
Ya give suckerpunch 600+ developers and years of development time like shadows had and then we can make that point. The comparison makes absolutely 0 sense.
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But who limited Sony with their "most profitable generation ever"? They clearly had money to burn on all those failed GaaS games. Why not make AAA games with decent budgets?

If game was cheap to make, why is it 70$?

Karim said:
You can't know that. Even if both games appear "virtually" identical, doesn't means the game couldn't use milions of more poly.
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In theory, yes. But it for sure can't be seen on all those videos...
 
diffusionx said:
I'm not buying this game. But it's a nice upgrade over the old game. Whether it does exactly what someone does or does not is irrelevant - it's an upgrade over the old game. People claiming it's not are just wrong.
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People saying it's not an upgrade are stupid, but the question is, is it an upgrade worthy of 5 years and an entirely new generation of hardware? I'm not so sure, but let's wait for release
 
Bojji said:
You can make those jumps and still deliver next gen looking game (maybe not 1440p but with 1080p TAAU for sure). Texture quality doesn't require more power, just more memory - and they failed with that.



But who limited Sony with their "most profitable generation ever"? They clearly had money to burn on all those failed GaaS games. Why not make AAA games with decent budgets?

If game was cheap to make, why is it 70$?



In theory, yes. But it for sure can't be seen on all those videos...
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That's why they said it?
 
Hopefully we get some Pro impressions in the next couple of days. It'll make a nice change for gaffers to moan about those visuals instead.
 
diffusionx said:
I'm not buying this game. But it's a nice upgrade over the old game. Whether it does exactly what someone does or does not is irrelevant - it's an upgrade over the old game. People claiming it's not are just wrong.
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It's not enough of an improvement to be considered a generational leap, especially since it's a first-party game. That's the whole point.

It would be ridiculous if it didn't have even the slightest improvement on a console with a GPU that's about five times more powerful.
 
crazyriddler said:
It's not enough of an improvement to be considered a generational leap, especially since it's a first-party game. That's the whole point.

It would be ridiculous if it didn't have even the slightest improvement on a console with a GPU that's about five times more powerful.
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What is a generational leap these days

five times more powerful is tiny compared to prior gens. We are in the era of diminishing returns.
 
I mean, the draw distance is very much improved, not doubt about it. But I am not a fan of the minimalist textures and generally minimalist assets.

I think Elden Ring looks much more impressive and varied graphically than Yotei. Elden ring has also impressive draw distance, combined with realistic textures and a polygon budget way higher like it's not even a contest.

Infamous Second Son is more impressive graphically than Yotei!
 
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rm082e said:
I feel like I'm missing something. Yotei is a clear graphical step over Tsushima:



Is it some huge, jaw dropping step up? No, but what recent sequel has been? The only one that even comes to mind is Death Stranding 2? I never dug into comparisons, but I did hear people say that game looked amazing.

This seems like noticeable improvements for a studio that had the same budget and project timeline. Whether the game will be any good or not, I make no bets. But it looks like it will be pleasant to look at. I'll check it out on Steam when it eventually gets there.
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AC Shadows is a huge, massive step up over the last gen ACs. Which is not the case at all for Yotei
 
diffusionx said:
What is a generational leap these days

five times more powerful is tiny compared to prior gens. We are in the era of diminishing returns.
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Hellblade to Hellblade 2, Rachet & Clank 2016 to Rift Apart. Assassins Creed Valhalla to Shadows, Lots of examples really
 
GymWolf said:
Sony hook as always been high budget single player games, not gaas turds, so i'm gonna call out their shift in priority.
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No you must fall in line and guzzle down Bergman hulsts cum by the gallons. That is the way of the samurai.

By the way, a few years ago I pointed out the fact that single player games at Sony were not getting the budget increases they needed for next generation development. I posted Sony's own investor slides where they outlined all of this. I got pushback and denials from the same people you are arguing with today. And well, most who have already been banned and have since moved over to icon era. They maintained that the slides were wrong, and Sony was still heavily investing in single player games.

And now the same people are using the excuse that it's a low budget title for its garbage last gen graphics. The hypocrisy is what kills me. These people will make excuses, then make some more instead of just manning up and admitting that they got it wrong. That Sony did fuck up. That they missed all the signs and evidence. nah they chose to stay loyal, got banned and those lucky enough to be here continue to embarrass themselves today.
 
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