Ghost of Yotei sales- er, number of players update
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FoxMcChief
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Has to be quite the minority tho, especially one week into a massive length 18 rated game like yotei. It really narrows the demographics of people who would be doing family sharing.
ByWatterson
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Source on this? I'm very curious.
sloppyjoe_gamer
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I didn't realize we had so many SP devs on here
Ok I want to play your game. Around 26440000 console sold in USA, 4,4% is 1163800 of players in the first week, is it bad now?
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Zathalus
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Well done on hyper-fixating on a single part of my post while ignoring the relative size of the studios and differences in salaries between the two locations. Most of the budget for any AAA release is spent on staff salaries which for Sucker Punch would be close to a quarter of what Insomniac has to spend. Even the Licensing fee you dismiss out of hand is not some trivial amount either, Sony doesn't have the videogame licensing for these characters, and after the enormous success of the first game Disney is going to want their cut. Another factor for the costs ballooning over the first Spider-Man game (which were in the leaked documents), lots of bonuses (retention is important) and such due to the takeover from Sony.
So yes, the confirmation from the game director that the budget for GoY hasn't massively ballooned from the first one holds weight.
The general perception there is it was worse even before the release to be fair.
calico
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It would be interesting to know for the 'first sequels' which went on to sell less in the long run than the first game in the franchise, how their launch performance compared to the first game.
My expectation is the sequels tend to do significantly better at launch, even if they don't match the first game's performance in the long run.
It's US only, and 'Weekly Active Users', not Monthly Active Users or PS5 owners. Weekly is presumably a significantly lower number than Monthly.
It's unclear which players he's counting (PS5 only or more than that). He has given numbers like this for PS5 players only in the past, but he said so last time.
Raven117
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The game is solid and very competent. It has fun minute to minute gameplay.
The story (and, lets call a spade a spade) and the main character could have been executed better.
With the smaller budget, I think Sony will be happy with the sales.
And that's pretty much all there is to say about that.
The story (and, lets call a spade a spade) and the main character could have been executed better.
With the smaller budget, I think Sony will be happy with the sales.
And that's pretty much all there is to say about that.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Boycotts, especially politically motivated ones are utterly toothless.
Basic fact is, if a person was already interested would the comments of a single dev really put them off to the extent that they'd deny themselves of something fun?
And conversely, its awfully convenient for someone with zero interest to farm a bit of clout by jumping in on the boycott.
Its completely performative either way to take part in such a meaningless "action".
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JerryinSoCal
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There were more PS4 owners when Tsushima launched than there are PS5 owners now so this comparison is a bit off.
Moriarty1889
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Sony using MS metrics for games as well now.
semiconscious
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& that's what makes for effective game journalism...
Insanemaelstrom
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Circana*. Sony hasn't talked about sales yet.
Tiago Rodrigues
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So you just ran to post that in here and didn't realize the data didn't come from Sony?
It should be factored in the GoT players numbers too, no?
viveks86
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By politically motivated, you mean current culture wars, right? Because the origin of boycotting was usually political and a lot of them were successful. And with culture wars, I do believe the one against Bud Light had a pretty big impact on how they would do business going forward. Target had to make changes too iirc.
It did put off people here who I know for a fact were genuinely interested. Topher, for example. He did eventually give in and get a rental, but he was put off for sure. So was Gonzito, who also ended up renting it (and eventually not enjoying the game anyway). I think we can agree both are pretty genuine contributors. I don't want to psychoanalyze, but I don't believe everyone who was put off was pretending or acting in bad faith. May be you or I can't relate to their motivations, but we can't deny its existence.
And fun is subjective. What's fun for us may be culture eroding or value destructive for another. As much as I disagree with them, being in their shoes helps better understand the nature of our minds and how and why we see things so differently.
We can agree on that.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It's clear.
It says "PlayStation US Top 15 Games Ranked."
Why wouldn't this include PlayStation 4 users from Fortnite, Marvel Rivials, WWE 2K, NBA 2K, Madden NFL, Roblox, and Grand Theft Auto V?
Yes, but that's not the point.
It's comparing Ghost of Yotei's launch week numbers to Ghost of Tsushima's.
kaizenkko
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Sony has an event tomorrow with the game's directors — I imagine they'll take the opportunity to reveal the sales.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Are we sure there's a lot of people that pay Circana for THAT information for first party single player games? Why would they care?
ByWatterson
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I actually do think Sony had to pay Marvel over $100 Million on licensing fees for Spiderman 2, alone. That stuff was in the leak.
Steve Holt
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I just thought it was just Dench, on a one man mission, doing his usual trolling
But having looked since your message - yeh, people really do seem overly invested and doing some mental gymnastics.
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L*][*N*K
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That is fucking crazy, I am not saying paying a $100m for Spider-man license is crazy mind, I am saying you are crazy for thinking that.
Woopah
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Mat isn't a journalist. He works for Circana.
They're not paying for just one type of game. Circana will have engagement metrics for every game in those charts.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
LOL! Dude.....Sony has to pay Marvel a 15-25% license fee per game based on how it was sold (i.e. physical, digital, bundled with a console, etc).
And I'm sorry, Sony actually paid Marvel $200 Million for Spider-Man 1, so far.
How Sony and Disney make profit off Spider-Man on PlayStation
Then again, Marvel's Spider-Man is one of the best- and fastest-selling video game franchises and it's exclusive to PlayStation.
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calico
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His "4.4% of active PS players that week" statement may well include them. I have no idea which groups he is including in that statement. The post and chart both cite a source which is not publicly available afaik.
I can't even find a definitive statement on what Sony includes in their PlayStation Monthly Active Users number. Does Sony include PC gamers (using PSN) in that number? Does Circana? I would assume Sony does and I would guess Circana does not.
It is the point for people in this thread who are taking 4.4% of PSN Monthly worldwide, 4.4% of worldwide PS5 console sales, 4.4% of US PS5 console sales, none of which will be correct.
If we want to compare to GoT's launch week numbers then we need to know the "active PS players that week" (whatever he is including in that) for the week GoT launched and for when GoY launched, neither of which we know.
Skifi28
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
That's PS active players, not PS5 active players.
He also says it's ranked 12th during its debut, and that the list consists of PS4 and PS5 titles.
Yes, we don't know, but this is just speculation based on the data provided before we get actual sales information.
Zacfoldor
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It depends.
If the last game was Ghosts of Tsushima, absolutely I would expect the sequel to bring in bigger numbers. It was a new IP and a cult classic and grew organically into a larger IP.
If your last game was Veilguard, I would not expect Veilguard 2 to do better even if the game was much better. Bad word of mouth would likely make it do worse.
The next game pays for the last game's sins.
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Embearded
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I work in SW development, in an industry with unthinkable fees for SW licenses, tools, support from tool vendors etc.
Salaries are by far the biggest expense for the company.
They paid 800K for a SW, + 5K per floating license key per year, + 2K for the compiler floating licenses + 1K per license for the compiler to release the license when building is finished and not hold it for 20 minutes.
10 junior developers matched these costs and the company has 80 employees in total.
touchfuzzy
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I'm hoping it does big numbers, the game is fantastic and probably my game of the year again. Just like the first one. Sucker Punch are masters at making games that are fun to play and when you combine it with the world class art design and incredible environments / lighting -- I could just run around in the world doing nothing all day, but it's also packed with so much to do and so many interesting things you find organically.
Joel Was Right
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It'll be interesting to see how much it sold compared to the original.
It's worth noting that Horizon Forbidden West's sales figures drew a lot of discussion, too, when compared to its predecessor.
However way you look at it, these sequels are not performing better than their original.
It's worth noting that Horizon Forbidden West's sales figures drew a lot of discussion, too, when compared to its predecessor.
However way you look at it, these sequels are not performing better than their original.
calico
Member
I agree. It is 4.4% of an unknown number compared to 4.4% of a different unknown number.
Sure, but the existence of a sequel to a 'first game in the franchise' with which to make the comparison tends to imply the first game was at least somewhat well received and successful. If the first game is Veilguard we probably aren't getting a Veilguard 2.
What I was getting at here was that if the 'first sequels' -even if they end up selling less overall- tend to start with higher sales than their predecessor, but then drop off more quickly than their predecessor, it would probably not be a good sign for a 'first sequel' to only start out with sales equalling the predecessor (if that's what's happening here).