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[digoutyoursoul]

It's never been this extreme where you can actually see this whole space of gaming pretty much plateau. There's a price to pay for corruption, it's not free.

You make a good point, let's not forget though how easy it is to get access to media these days via internet/phones compared to back then.

A host of a UK gaming show back in the 90s once admitted they would receive calls from some publishers not happy with the reviews of the product. The TV show people and magazines were invited to the parties and events back then as well.

It's never been sincere journalism , it's about the relationship between the publisher and the media above all else and how to sell the product. It's why I always advise people to make their own minds up about purchasing a game especially in the push for digital purchases, with the inability to borrow a friends or relatives copy to try out or infrequent release of demos to download , it will only get worse

 

[Gonzito]

The user review war on this game might be Epic probably sits between a 6-7.

My guess the game sits somewhere 85-95 depending on personal tastes but for SP handling of the murder

I think user score won't be reliable in this case because there won't be neutrality. This game has become a political tool at the moment and people are using it to fight with each other.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

If recognizing casting choices means being unable to separate the art from the artist, yeah I think it does.... or at the very least makes you myopic.

Nobody has criticized the voice acting talent of the main voice actress. All the admittedly valid complaints have been about her politics, which are entirely orthogonal to the game and its creation.

She's literally a robot hired to read lines off a script. Claiming that somehow is going to ruin the game's story is catastrophizing irrationally without any meaningful basis. And these review scores prove how much all the controversy around the voice actress has amounted to nothing more than empty hysteria.

You misunderstand.

My gripe isn't with the main actresses support of Antifa, though I do think that's lame.

My gripe is that I don't think Helen Mirren would be a good casting choice as Williamina Wallace in Braveheart.

 

[joey Dubs]

I love how people saw all of the footage for the game and they trashed it, but now a bunch of strangers said the game is good and the people trashing it before are now posting things like, "Man, that footage didn't look good but now strangers gave it a 90 so I'm in!"

 

[PurePlatinum]

It's almost boring and predictable how consistently PS Studios delivers. Like did anyone think this was gonna be anything less than high 80s low 90s?

Great problem to have.

 

[zedinen]

 

[Stuart360]

Judging from the replies in here, i can sense another -

 

[Arsic]

As expected it's still going to be a good game even if it isn't vastly improved from the original.

I expect it to sell a lot too.

 

[Topher]

So where are you on this game at the moment? The last I recall, you were going to boycott it. Still the case? No judgment. Just curious.

To be clear, I never said I was "boycotting" the game. Just said I wasn't buying it and I still am not. The game went from a day one purchase to a rental. I'll add it to my GF queue and when I get it, I get it. I'm in no rush as I'm still playing Clair Obscur.

 

[bighugeguns]

You make a good point, let's not forget though how easy it is to get access to media these days via internet/phones compared to back then.

A host of a UK gaming show back in the 90s once admitted they would receive calls from some publishers not happy with the reviews of the product. The TV show people and magazines were invited to the parties and events back then as well.

It's never been sincere journalism , it's about the relationship between the publisher and the media above all else and how to sell the product. It's why I always advise people to make their own minds up about purchasing a game especially in the push for digital purchases, with the inability to borrow a friends or relatives copy to try out or infrequent release of demos to download , it will only get worse

Now throw in politics into that mix and you got yourself a fucking disaster. This will end with like five games taking up 90% total market share.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

You misunderstand.

My gripe isn't with the main actresses support of Antifa, though I do think that's lame.

My gripe is that I don't think Helen Mirren would be a good casting choice as Williamina Wallace in Braveheart.

Errr... ok.... I don't know what that has to do with GoY though.

But if we're just posting random shit.... I love Hitomi Tanaka!!!

 

[Loomy]

So apparently the game has 0 pronouns, no relationships and no political messages... It's hard to believe honestly

It is indeed hard to believe. It would be interesting to see someone write a story that plays out over 25 hours that doesn't use a single pronoun in the script.

Literally the first spoken word in this trailer is a pronoun

 

[Topher]

You misunderstand.

My gripe isn't with the main actresses support of Antifa, though I do think that's lame.

My gripe is that I don't think Helen Mirren would be a good casting choice as Williamina Wallace in Braveheart.

Yeah, I've said before that I thought her casting wasn't great. I'm sure her voice is fine, but very little charisma to be the main character in a game like this.

 

[Chuck Berry]

I ain't coping with shit. Tsushima really did nothing for me. You can't even skip the fucking cutscenes. And I'm tired of the samurai surge in games, especially played out revenge tales, on top of all of the politics involved with this one.

And I got a backlog of much better stuff to play. Fuck dude I haven't even really touched Expedition yet

 

[PurePlatinum]

Looks great. Didn't love Tsushima but this is fixing all of my biggest problems.

 

[CLW]

I think user score won't be reliable in this case because there won't be neutrality. This game has become a political tool at the moment and people are using it to fight with each other.

Oh no doubt - I've been pretty consistent on this. The game is undoubtedly good - very good.

I expect it to sell well. The left will celebrate this of course blatantly disregarding the fact that SP's actions HURT sales.

To what extent remains to be seen and is difficult if not impossible to actually calculate the $ Sony lost in sales from people like me. Majority NO. significant percentage sure. Sony has lost MILLIONS of $ in profit from their actions/inactions.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Errr... ok.... I don't know what that has to do with GoY though.

I'll bring you closer.

Braveheart is a historical war narrative in which William Wallace uses violence and strategy to exact revenge on a powerful enemy.

Ghost of Yotei is a historical war narrative in which Antifa Helen Mirren uses violence and strategy to exact revenge on a powerful enemy.

 

[Terenty]

Believing reviews from game journos in this day and age...goddam

 

[Fabieter]

I've seen some videos saying the open world still feels kinda empty and stiff, and the story's meh. With those PS4-looking graphics, it's an easy pass.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

I'll bring you closer.

Braveheart is a historical war narrative in which William Wallace uses violence and strategy to exact revenge on a powerful enemy.

Ghost of Yotei is a historical war narrative in which Antifa Helen Mirren uses violence and strategy to exact revenge on a powerful enemy.

The GoY voice actress and the character are both the same sex, though.

So, you're using an intentionally disingenuous analogy to try to make a point? See, I told you that you were only here to fuck up the signal to noise ratio. You're not interested in intelligent discourse.

So instead, from hencforth I will only respond to you on the subject of Hitomi Tanaka.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Could have 100 on Meta, I wouldn't buy it.

Not because of the controversy (can't wait for sales numbers and such, gonna be fun either way) but because Tsushima was so bloated, I have no intention to play a sequel to it if it's not radically different- and Yotei ain't.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

I love how people saw all of the footage for the game and they trashed it, but now a bunch of strangers said the game is good and the people trashing it before are now posting things like, "Man, that footage didn't look good but now strangers gave it a 90 so I'm in!"

People are easily influenced by review scores.

For example, after playing Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 I do not think it should have scored as high as it did and people hyping the game I think was due in part to the scores.

It's the same deal with Hades 2, a 10 score for that game is crazy because when I think 10 score I am thinking of a industry changing game but at the end of the day reviews are just opinions so you can't take them too seriously.

It's all about your taste, if you enjoyed Ghost of Tsushima you will most likely enjoy Ghost of Yotei, if anything learning about the performance of the game before buying is probably the most important thing to get out of the reviews.

 

[Ozriel]

Knew this was going to review well, and knew the shit talking about boycotting it was just BS. It'll go on to sell very well, to the dismay of some.

Congrats to Sucker Punch

Believing reviews from game journos in this day and age...goddam

Yes. We believe them. It's a critic consensus that it's great.

 

[Loomy]

Believing reviews from game journos in this day and age...goddam

ACG is one of the most bullshit free reviewers out there

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

The GoY voice actress and the character are both the same sex, though.

Yeah, I've said before that I thought her casting wasn't great. I'm sure her voice is fine, but very little charisma to be the main character in a game like this.

Charisma isn't the issue imo. It's the fact that Timothy Chalamet, Steve Buschemi, Stephen Hawking, and Helen Mirren are all terrible choices to play heroic swordsmen. As is the Yotei actress.

 

[coachmcguirk91]

I ain't coping with shit. Tsushima really did nothing for me. You can't even skip the fucking cutscenes. And I'm tired of the samurai surge in games, especially played out revenge tales, on top of all of the politics involved with this one.

And I got a backlog of much better stuff to play. Fuck dude I haven't even really touched Expedition yet

So why are you here? I don't like turn based games, you don't see me going into Expedition threads bashing it

 

[Topher]

Charisma isn't the issue imo. It's the fact that Timothy Chalamet, Steve Buschemi, Stephen Hawking, and Helen Mirren are all terrible choices to play heroic swordsmen. As is the Yotei actress.

I don't disagree, but to me she also has the same problem as Kay Vess in Outaws. That's a lack of charisma.

 

[Fabieter]

For example, after playing Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 I do not think it should have scored as high as it did and people hyping the game I think was due in part to the scores.

It's the same deal with Hades 2, a 10 score for that game is crazy because when I think 10 score I am thinking of a industry changing game but at the end of the day reviews are just opinions so you can't take them too seriously.

E33 is industry changing in its genre.

 

[miller152]

Wasn't interested in the game when it was revealed, the developer "controversy" didn't make any difference to me, and neither do these reviews. Still not buying.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Charisma isn't the issue imo. It's the fact that Timothy Chalamet, Steve Buschemi, Stephen Hawking, and Helen Mirren are all terrible choices to play heroic swordsmen. As is the Yotei actress.

Hitomi Tanaka's tits are a Japanese national treasure.

 

[Scrawnton]

E33 is industry changing in its genre.

No it's not lol. Everything in it has been done before.

Its defining feature, its battle system, has been implemented and done almost identically in every Mario RPG (9 different games) since the late 90s.

 

[Fabieter]

No it's not lol. Everything in it has been done before.

Its defining feature, its battle system, has been implemented and done almost identically in every Mario RPG (9 different games) since the late 90s.

Care to explain? I mean it wasn't me saying its overhyped without some good points. So show me how its generic?

 

[xenosys]

GoT was hugely over-rated.

The open world was a bloated Ubisoft mess with tedious side-quests that it got a pass for because "LoOk gUyS iT's SeT in JApAn!".

The 2nd one sounds like much of the same.

 

[Fabieter]

GoT was hugely over-rated.

The open world was a bloated Ubisoft mess with tedious side-quests that it got a pass for because "LoOk gUyS iT's SeT in JApAn!".

The 2nd one sounds like much of the same.

Alot of reviews said it's still basically the same but 10/10.

 

[viveks86]

To be clear, I never said I was "boycotting" the game. Just said I wasn't buying it and I still am not. The game went from a day one purchase to a rental. I'll add it to my GF queue and when I get it, I get it. I'm in no rush as I'm still playing Clair Obscur.

That's fair.

I looked up a dictionary to make sure I wasn't misrepresenting your stance. "Boycott - to engage in a concerted refusal to have dealings with (a person, a store, an organization, etc.) usually to express disapproval or to force acceptance of certain conditions"

Which part of that didn't you do? Again. There is nothing wrong with that. It's your personal choice. But anyway, you answered my question, so I I'll refrain from nitpicking on definitions

 

[Toots]

Those 20 seconds left me somewhat doubtful.

Jin was a good and interesting protagonist, no need to take him down a peg in hindsight. Let the new protag wins us by its qualities, not the flaw of others.
Fiery and brash in journos mouth means boss lady, and the fact they even aknowledge her stubbornness and inability to question herself but turn it as a good way to tell the story makes think there will be a few eyerolling inducing story beats.

Apart from that if the people who wrote tsushima story are involved im sure the story will be good, if the characterization of certain characters might not be.

 

[MiguelItUp]

With how solid Ghost of Tsushima was, I think it was ridiculous to expect this to bomb. I figured it would be safe to assume it'd be just as good, if not better. I think a lot of people just wanted it to fail because of their own various opinions.

As a big fan of GoT, and someone that doesn't really care too much for reviews. I've seen that the positivity that's revolving around it tells me it's worth checking out, which I figured. So, I'll do so in due time! I'll wait for the PC version.

There's a lot of games hitting almost at once, and at this point the most responsible thing to do (for me) is just wait for price drops and grab them one at a time, lol.

 

[Topher]

That's fair.

I looked up a dictionary: "Boycott - to engage in a concerted refusal to have dealings with (a person, a store, an organization, etc.) usually to express disapproval or to force acceptance of certain conditions"

Which part of that didn't you do? Again. There is nothing wrong with that. It's your personal choice. But anyway, you answered my question, so I I'll refrain from nitpicking on definitions

lol....no, it's fine bro. Maybe I did fit the dictionary definition, but didn't really feel like it since I was speaking only for myself individually and not in "concert" with anything else. I said at the time that I didn't think there was anything wrong with anyone who were still going to buy it. I tend to think of boycotting as advocating for others to join in. As I said before, everyone should act on their own conscious and nothing else.

 

[geary]

Having almost the same score as KCD2 (88) is a slap in the face of gamers.

 

[miller152]

Interesting to note how many reviewers say the protagonist is better, but the only way they explain it is by saying how bad of a protagonist Jin was, nothing about how Atsu is supposedly better. Yet looking at GoT's reviews there wasn't that much criticism about Jin at all.

Curious.

 

[Minari]

Lmao thats literally me and alot of other ppl right now

 

[R3TRO]

Not bad, glad I preordered.

 

[viveks86]

not in "concert" with anything else.

Fine, you weren't the orchestrator. But will you at least concede that you attended the concert?

 

[Topher]

Fine, you weren't the orchestrator. But will you at least concede that you attended the concert?

I threw a tomato or two

 

[Lux77]

Inflated scores, It got+2 for having boss girl protagonist

 

[LaughingStock]

Oh, well. I have nothing else to play on my PS5.

 

[Musashipan]

Utterly garbage

 

[GymWolf]

Charisma isn't the issue imo. It's the fact that Timothy Chalamet, Steve Buschemi, Stephen Hawking, and Helen Mirren are all terrible choices to play heroic swordsmen. As is the Yotei actress.

The fuck are you talking about?

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Having almost the same score as KCD2 (88) is a slap in the face of gamers.

Only if you believe in gaming journalism... which you shouldn't.

 

[nial]

Sony is going to write a huge check to Geoff to get a nomination and keep the streak going.

No need to when Death Stranding 2 definitely has a spot there.