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Does it start at the beginning of the game. The QL ends about 2 hours into the game?
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Does it start at the beginning of the game. The QL ends about 2 hours into the game?
Most people, Brad included, only care about technical issues if it affects their enjoyment of the game. It's not like Brad would load up Tomb Raider on next gen consoles and rotate the camera for five minutes complaining about framerate
Keyser Soze
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It's been up 8 hours now
MrTroubleMaker
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8 hours! woops.
Thing is, this is much worse than a framerate difference. I'm not one to care about framerate issues believe me or get involved in the shit fests that are digital foundry ps3 vs 360 comparisons, I've played sub 30fps games without even noticing or complaining about the framerate but I was really disappointed by the dark souls 2 downgrade from footage that they showed off not that long ago. The change is pretty dramatic.Most people, Brad included, only care about technical issues if it affects their enjoyment of the game. It's not like Brad would load up Tomb Raider on next gen consoles and rotate the camera for five minutes complaining about framerate
People do preorder games based on the footage they are shown and I can't see this as anything other than false advertising and I'm not sure why this is not getting reported on more. Brad's tweet about people complaining about this being "crazy" is terrible.
TheBaronOfNA
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Thing is, this is much worse than a framerate difference. I'm not one to care about framerate issues believe me or get involved in the shit fests that are digital foundry ps3 vs 360 comparisons, I've played sub 30fps games without even noticing or complaining about the framerate but I was really disappointed by the dark souls 2 downgrade from footage that they showed off not that long ago. The change is pretty dramatic.
People do preorder games based on the footage they are shown and I can't see this as anything other than false advertising and I'm not sure why this is not getting reported on more. Brad's tweet about people complaining about this being "crazy" is terrible.
To be fair, the thread in Neogaf about the issue went to crazy places.
Broder Salsa
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Thing is, this is much worse than a framerate difference. I'm not one to care about framerate issues believe me or get involved in the shit fests that are digital foundry ps3 vs 360 comparisons, I've played sub 30fps games without even noticing or complaining about the framerate but I was really disappointed by the dark souls 2 downgrade from footage that they showed off not that long ago. The change is pretty dramatic.
People do preorder games based on the footage they are shown and I can't see this as anything other than false advertising and I'm not sure why this is not getting reported on more. Brad's tweet about people complaining about this being "crazy" is terrible.
It happens all the time in the gaming world though and with much worse examples, that's probably why it's not being talked more about... The gifs are pretty damning, but not nowhere enough to get many other than hardcore souls fans upset. Brad dismissing it completely with people being crazy is disappointing, but eh, someone asked him about it and he doesn't feel the downgrade is that bad, maybe he just really doesn't care much about the difference.
Yeah, I was super impressed with the lighting in those demos, but unless it looks like that in the PC version, it was complete bullshit. Hopefully they atleast call that out, it sucks for consumers to advertise it like that.
And it's not like it was some weird tech demo of a game that doesn't exist, these demos happened this year.
edit: Of course you are immediately "crazy" for thinking like that, too. Come on...
And it's not like it was some weird tech demo of a game that doesn't exist, these demos happened this year.
edit: Of course you are immediately "crazy" for thinking like that, too. Come on...
Thing is, this is much worse than a framerate difference. I'm not one to care about framerate issues believe me or get involved in the shit fests that are digital foundry ps3 vs 360 comparisons, I've played sub 30fps games without even noticing or complaining about the framerate but I was really disappointed by the dark souls 2 downgrade from footage that they showed off not that long ago. The change is pretty dramatic.
People do preorder games based on the footage they are shown and I can't see this as anything other than false advertising and I'm not sure why this is not getting reported on more. Brad's tweet about people complaining about this being "crazy" is terrible.
I agree that its disappointing that they had to remove the lighting system, and people should be free to vent about it.
I think people get into crazy territory when they start automatically assuming that its false advertising and not a case of it being too much of a burden on the game's performance -- considering the PS3 version regularly dips below 30fps without it, I can see the latter being the case.
Did they actually advertise that footage as 360/PS3? I've never played a Souls game, but at first glance it's obvious that is PC/next-gen footage and not something possible for 9 year old hardware. Not just the lighting, but also the particle effects in the background and on the statues.Thing is, this is much worse than a framerate difference. I'm not one to care about framerate issues believe me or get involved in the shit fests that are digital foundry ps3 vs 360 comparisons, I've played sub 30fps games without even noticing or complaining about the framerate but I was really disappointed by the dark souls 2 downgrade from footage that they showed off not that long ago. The change is pretty dramatic.
It reminds me of the first Watch_Dogs trailer. I saw the bokeh lighting and thought "even my £1000 pc is going to struggle with that, no way this is current gen". In fairness, Ubisoft didn't announce platforms at that point.
Vinny: I know people hate menus...
Yeah some of us really do Vin-man. The South Park QL started the exact same way as the DS2 one, looking at menus, numbers and text.
By all means show the menus later on, but why not just start with the very basics? The premise of the story, and some gameplay? Now it feels like you are putting the cart before the horse.
Yeah some of us really do Vin-man. The South Park QL started the exact same way as the DS2 one, looking at menus, numbers and text.
By all means show the menus later on, but why not just start with the very basics? The premise of the story, and some gameplay? Now it feels like you are putting the cart before the horse.
Why does it matter? It's just a quick look it doesn't need that much direction.
Broder Salsa
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Wish they would do a football manager review, would be hilarious and even if they tried playing the game, 100% menu looking.
Because its more fun (for me) to see actual gameplay than text and numbers.
Maybe people look for different things, but when looking for a game to buy, the menus of the said game are not really what i go around and ponder about.
Giant Bomb guys are very entertaining, but even they arent entertaining enough to make a rundown of the menu seem interesting. Nobody is.
Ha. That would be amazing, Jeff would try to raise hotdog prices like he did in that Madden game
Just skip ahead if its that bothersome. I don't mind seeing a few minutes of the menus in an hour+ long quick look, especially in this case.
Kazuma Kiryu
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The game was never announced for next-gen platforms, and I'm fairly sure that footage was announced as "the game" footage, regardless of platform.
Then again, I doubt the PC version is going to look like that.
Felix Lighter
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Well there was a playable build that apparently looked like that. If the lighting effects returned for the PC version, I wouldn't be shocked. I also wouldn't be surprised if the effects were stripped from all versions for one reason or another.
Every quicklook should start with Vinny at the controls, who ignores everything and charges in just to see how long he can survive. Then after his death, he hands it off to someone else to give the more detailed look.
Kazuma Kiryu
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It would be great if the PC version had that extra stuff, but I just can't get myself to believe it, knowing the effort japanese developers put into PC versions.
Oh well, we'll find out soon enough.
check the OT. Plenty of hate for both. Seems to be a tearing (360) vs low fps (ps3) trade off.
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NumberThree
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That's funny, because it was Vinny who insisted on checking the menus right away and going back to show some more when Brad was ready to move on.
The Dear Leader
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Only 3 fortnights until DSII on PC, hold strong.
I think it's worse when you consider that they were showing that build in january 2014, which isn't long ago at all and quite close to launch.
They have. Its a miracle that the game runs on 9 year old machines,
UpsideDownAce
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For a while they were passing around a bottle of liquor during UPF, having a drink or two.
They haven't lately though, guessing they got through all the drinks viewers sent in
Fotheringay
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Normally I'm in agreement with you, but in this case it's great they started with the menus. It's one of the few things most Souls fans would agree should be changed, and it allows someone like myself to boot up a QL, see that stuff up front and then decide to bounce when they start revealing anything storywise.
Your pessimism is probably warranted. After reading about the DS1 port, I can't imagine them wanting to invest even the QA needed for additional effects just on one platform.
Seeing as how they had those effects in every build from reveal to the january 2014 build just 2 months ago in the console builds, they have already put the development time and effort into creating those effects, just include them in the pc build. Now if you tell me that they implemented those effects specifically for the demos where they showed off the game to make it look better, I can see why they wouldn't just be able to include them back in for PC.
The difference between the two Dark Souls 2 gifs above is tremendous. The torches alone look so much better.
Is the missing lighting engine confirmed to be present in the PC version? I have a copy of DS2 waiting for me at Best Buy, but I'll just cancel it and wait for the PC version if the answer is yes.
Is the missing lighting engine confirmed to be present in the PC version? I have a copy of DS2 waiting for me at Best Buy, but I'll just cancel it and wait for the PC version if the answer is yes.
Its also a build that people actually played. In fact, Brad has commented a few times, including in the QL, about how poorly the prerelease version ran.
LurkerPrime
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Given the care they gave the Dark Souls 1 port, I can't imagine there will be a spectacular difference between consoles and PC. They're probably working on figuring out keyboard controls and PC graphics options between the console and PC releases. :/
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SPACECADET
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hmm...
Heh.
TharpDaddy
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They have said they're putting a lot of work into the PC version and trying to make it good. Who knows if that'll come to fruition though.
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MiniBossBattle
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So did they light all the torches? What happens?
letmetrythisname
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Is the Titanfall stream premium-only? It didn't say so in the schedule, but I can't access the stream through the top of the front page.
Edit: Never mind, I'm in.
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