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Giant Bomb #7 | Hey There, Small Business Owner!
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firehawk12
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I think there's a difference between saying "I didn't like Dungeon Keeper" and "Why did you rape my favourite game?". Jeff didn't even express his known opinion, even when Burnett was rattling off reviews he was getting from the team.
I think it's up to the guest to set the tone in these things. If they want to show up and pretend this is some interview with IGN, then the GB guys are going to grit their teeth and hope they eventually say something interesting. The best segments are when they have other guests that are intelligent enough to call out that guy on their own, like when Johnathan Blow was on with the Microsoft guys.
Mechanized
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It definitely wasn't the type of setting where they should crucify Paul or burn bridges. I'm sure he knows how they feel about the game and really what can he say? That's why I just wanted to him get off the subject. Seemed like he had a rough day as well from what he said at the start. Wasn't the right time or place. Especially sitting next to two devs who seemed to certainly have no qualms about tearing the shit out of him. What he did say was kinda interesting, to get that point of view from someone on the inside was cool.
I think you're missing the context of my post. I couldn't care less if EA wants to chase Clash of Clans/P&D/Candy Crush etc, they're free to do so and if there's a lot of money to be made there, go wild. But don't pretend you're trying to make something of worth.
The point of all this is that they couched their shitty F2P cash-in in a beloved IP and were then surprised to receive the ire of the gaming community. On top of that he's acting oblivious to what they're doing and pretending it's the only way to revive old IPs, like no other type of Dungeon Keeper game could ever be profitable.
To perfectly illustrate the problem, listen to what Johnny V said less than an hour later: Disney invited the P&D guys in to try to figure out "how to chase the dragon". That's owning it. No bullshit pretences about the type of game they want to make or why they're making it. They're not going to then release Clash of Grim Fandango and act surprised why everyone now hates them.
pieatorium
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revenue wise WoW was pulling numbers that high in its peak but its dev and running costs would be way up compared to these mobile games
What they should have done was set up a ticket system in advance of Paul's appearance, whereby one ticket cost one dollar and granted the purchaser one minute to talk. Potentially millions to be made from Paul alone. Special obfuscatory pricing model value pack price of $13.99 for 64 mini-tickets - one mini-ticket is good for three seventeenths of a normal ticket. It's the best value trust us.
rakkadakka
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Went and watched the section with Dungeon keeper that everyone is going on about..
It sounded to me like they all made their points of contention known and then moved on with the conversation.
Maybe I'm missing something though.
For those of you with an issue on how that went..were you expecting them to go full Angry Joe and just get freaking weird with people they disagree with?
It sounded to me like they all made their points of contention known and then moved on with the conversation.
Maybe I'm missing something though.
For those of you with an issue on how that went..were you expecting them to go full Angry Joe and just get freaking weird with people they disagree with?
JesseEwiak
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Basically, if you don't get as angry as I want you too in a conversation you have a professional and personal relationship with, you're obviously not really on the side of real gamers, man.
PrematureQuiche
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Has unprofessional Fridays disappeared again?
shadyspace
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yeah what the hell was that
The Dear Leader
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Could you link me to the video, I don't remember Jon Blow being on a GB video.
Looks like it, but I'm not surprised. The audio was out of synch in the back half, so they're probably fixing that.
throwawayname
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Is it me or are the downloads for the bombcasts not working anymore? Only the latest gives me a download link.
First day of 2011 live E3 stream I think, he was on the 2013 E3 stream too arguing with CliffyB.
there is a bug thread on the forums about it
He did it last year as well.
I'm probably crazy, but I swear he does it because he believes his own "amazing" storyteller reputation hype. Like he's the focal point, sitting cross legged at the camp fire, ready to regale us with a wondrous tale of insight and fascination.
funkystudent
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Its nice to see Phil Fish again.
I look forward to being high as fuck and playing his inevitable VR thing.
Fez II being VR kind of makes weird sense IMO.
I look forward to being high as fuck and playing his inevitable VR thing.
Fez II being VR kind of makes weird sense IMO.
The Dear Leader
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Ah, I do remember that now, thanks man.
throwawayname
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ah ok thx.
Fried Food
Banned
True or not, this makes me even more annoyed at the guy lol. Shoes on furniture makes me cringe in general, though.
Yeah, if nothing else it just seems rude/impolite. I'm sure no one there was actually bothered or offended, but it ain't right!
Fried Food
Banned
Is he adjusting his glasses or showing his middle finger at the end there? Either way, I can't stop watching.
Freedom = $1.05
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Oh man, I'm just listening to Paul's section now. I haven't seen that much dancing since my early 20s. Should've just admitted it wasn't the best approach and they're going to be better about it instead of comparing dungeon keeper to television programming from the 50s.
That's definitely a middle finger.
It makes too much sense! Especially with that cyberspacy looking teaser.
I hate Dungeon Keeper iOS as much as the next guy, but that definitely wasn't the right venue for it. He knows what went wrong (as much as he doesn't say it), no point getting all awkward on the stream - you had drunken Dave Lang and Max Tempkin to do that for you.
Plus, he's British, so I have to instantly defend the guy.
Plus, he's British, so I have to instantly defend the guy.
LurkerPrime
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I've finally watched part 4 of the GDC video - it was a very interesting discussion. From the talk in this thread, I thought it'd be a vicious fight but it was much more civil and orderly than I expected.
To be fair to Paul, he'd probably be fired or demoted if he said anything less than "we did the right thing" and "it's the future of the medium." A lead position in a large corporation undoubtably requries you to drink the corporate kool-aid.
Paul's clearly had some training on what to say about DKiOS, as he kept the discussion five paces away from the horrible microtransaction scheme and terrible design that it had. Fortunately Rami (and the Frog Fractions guy - Jim?) wouldn't tolerate his obfuscation; I think Rami was actually trying to sway Paul near the end, around when they were talking about patience.
It was a great guest set-up on the part of Giant Bomb, so major kudos to them for making it possible. Also very good that Jeff and Patrick stayed neutral on the matter, that really isn't a good place to ambush someone with criticism.
Fake edit: I'm surprised they didn't talk about Valve's free-to-play set-up at all - though I suppose they were focused more on mobile.
P.P.S.: Paul, don't wear a Dungeon Keeper jacket - it's too soon.
To be fair to Paul, he'd probably be fired or demoted if he said anything less than "we did the right thing" and "it's the future of the medium." A lead position in a large corporation undoubtably requries you to drink the corporate kool-aid.
Paul's clearly had some training on what to say about DKiOS, as he kept the discussion five paces away from the horrible microtransaction scheme and terrible design that it had. Fortunately Rami (and the Frog Fractions guy - Jim?) wouldn't tolerate his obfuscation; I think Rami was actually trying to sway Paul near the end, around when they were talking about patience.
It was a great guest set-up on the part of Giant Bomb, so major kudos to them for making it possible. Also very good that Jeff and Patrick stayed neutral on the matter, that really isn't a good place to ambush someone with criticism.
Fake edit: I'm surprised they didn't talk about Valve's free-to-play set-up at all - though I suppose they were focused more on mobile.
P.P.S.: Paul, don't wear a Dungeon Keeper jacket - it's too soon.
U da best
Thanks!
Again, at least for me the UPF they posted had major audio sync issues after the Galak-Z guys left. Guessing I'm not the only one, so they pulled until it could be fixed.
therealminime
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Holy hell the last 30 minutes of the GDC stream is pure, unfiltered Giant Bomb magic. Just beautiful.
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Thanks a lot.
Atomic Edge
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I really like Paul Barnett and I definitely despised the DK free to play, but having been someone who was put in charge of a super unpopular project at work, sometimes you just do the best you can and have to be defensive. I did agree with some of what he said, but I do wish that he had ended it with "You have no idea how much worse it could have been!" but his media training/survival instinct stopped that.
Free to Play is here to stay though. I wouldn't put a quarter in an arcade machine for a life these days, but people did that a LOT back in the day and were totally fine with it.
EDIT: I should sell that on a shirt:
FREE TO PLAY
HERE TO STAY
Free to Play is here to stay though. I wouldn't put a quarter in an arcade machine for a life these days, but people did that a LOT back in the day and were totally fine with it.
EDIT: I should sell that on a shirt:
FREE TO PLAY
HERE TO STAY
funkystudent
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Speaking of Paul Barnett and crimes against gaming history....
Did his Ultima facebook game every come out and if it did how bad was it?
Did his Ultima facebook game every come out and if it did how bad was it?
The iPad game? Yes, and like all of Paul's games (WAR, Wrath of Heroes, DK) it wasn't good.
I dunno. I agreed with him for the most part. Even if I've not liked several of the attempts to bring older games to platforms where free-to-play + micro is the default and probably only option for mainstream success.
The mentioning of integration of ads into programs early TV days style amused me given thats the only way it seems to work on podcasts.
I thought this bit was probably the only decent bit of the whole extravaganza.
I found his talk relatively refreshing as long as you keep in mind his position.
It's like, 'sif he was going to rag on the model. And honestly, I think he probably does believe what he's saying, at least in regards of 'this is early days and it's gonna be a shitshow before we find an equilibrium'.
It's like, 'sif he was going to rag on the model. And honestly, I think he probably does believe what he's saying, at least in regards of 'this is early days and it's gonna be a shitshow before we find an equilibrium'.
Ventilaator
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Nobody has figured out the perfect balance for ipad games yet, so it's okay to make completely disgusting games with IAPs that seem to be actively balanced to be as terrible as physically possible.
Because logic.
Because logic.
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