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It's called a critique if you read the book and yes, you can!
Literally nothing he said was worth apologizing for, yet he still did and said he shouldn't have said that, all because he's worried about offending Dan because he thinks of him as a friend and not someone he's paying to entertain him. If he didn't say what he did, Dan would've missed out on some very legitimate criticism.
Criticism is necessary. Someone saying they don't like Ben's voice shouldn't be out of bounds. Someone saying Ben has a shitty voice and he sucks and should be fired is out of bounds.
Fried Food
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Steal my sunshine is amazing content
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Eh I guess, I just kind of think complaining about natural traits is still kinda shitty in a way, mostly because I've been made fun of for my own voice and the way I speak that I'm still hella self-conscious about it, but then again I don't have a job involving my voice.
Death Metalist
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To me he seemed like a nice fellow who's treating someone the way he'd like to be treated is the way I viewed it honestly, not because he thinks Dan is his friend. However, I do agree with your last part is that that kind of criticism doesn't really help anyone in the long run.
It's particularly egregious there because the dude was very polite and gave reasonable criticism. He had nothing to even apologize for.
I was in a similar situation once regarding a game on this board and I actually did apologize but it was because I was extremely harsh in my opinion and then later the dev posted in the thread and I felt bad. I just apologized for the tone of my post.
I think it's appropriate if you see your criticism as too much to apologize but that Reddit poster was very reasonable.
It's so weird that people seem to loose all respect and common courtesy when they're on the internet. They're real actual people you're shit talking! Reading all the mean and rude things on here and the new hires thread makes me embarrased being a gb fan on neogaf.
Don't listen to the assholes Giant bombcrew, just keep doing the great things you do
Don't listen to the assholes Giant bombcrew, just keep doing the great things you do
Piston Hyundai
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It's so weird that people seem to loose all respect and common courtesy when they're on the internet. They're real actual people you're shit talking! Reading all the mean and rude things on here and the new hires thread makes me embarrased being a gb fan on neogaf.
Don't listen to the assholes Giant bombcrew, just keep doing the great things you do
don't listen to this asshole, there's room for improvement
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
FWIW I do actually think that Ben could probably improve his cadence and train to get out of the vocal fry register, but I can tell you from experience it does kinda suck to feel like you have to constantly check yourself on how you sound.
Glass Shark
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As a huge fan of both GB and the McElroys, I think you're way off base here.
And shit like this is exactly my point. Having a legit gripe just makes you an asshole now. Everything is rosy. Everything is perfect. There's no room for criticism because they're our friends and everything they do is awesome.It's so weird that people seem to loose all respect and common courtesy when they're on the internet. They're real actual people you're shit talking! Reading all the mean and rude things on here and the new hires thread makes me embarrased being a gb fan on neogaf.
Don't listen to the assholes Giant bombcrew, just keep doing the great things you do
nckillthegrimace
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My hot take, going off those numbers, is that Xbox One is kind of fucked, given the US is like the only market where it's relevant.
SandwichMeat
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Ben will be fine, he's got a good attitude and wants to do his job well.
He will get more comfortable as time goes on.
Like do you guys not remember how Brad and Ryan sounded on camera back in the Gamespot days?? It's not easy to be amazing at this kind of job right away
Brad reacting to young Brad
Like here Brad can see how far he's come and I don't think he would give much credit to people with hot takes on forums for how he's grown over the years
He will get more comfortable as time goes on.
Like do you guys not remember how Brad and Ryan sounded on camera back in the Gamespot days?? It's not easy to be amazing at this kind of job right away
Brad reacting to young Brad
Like here Brad can see how far he's come and I don't think he would give much credit to people with hot takes on forums for how he's grown over the years
SuperSonic1305
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Ben's voice is fine. The thing that annoys me is how much trouble he seems to have navigating menus.
Glass Shark
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I've watched several streams of the game, honestly the QL was pretty representative. It's a neat idea, but there are very few things you can actually do as a crew member.
Ben made Will Smith a sadboi and for that he can't be forgiven tbh
I suppose, but overall I think the QL itself could've been more substantive.
It's really great seeing Will and Ben at each other's throats, lol. Best thing about it.
Glass Shark
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Basileus777
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Yep. And Patrick kind of sucked on video when GB first hired him. The guy got better.
Antiwhippy
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Especially when Ben put his lips on Will.
He's so good he could be mistaken for a Twitch streamer now.
SunDimension24
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You're seeing what you want to see
, I'm talking about the rude respectless shit that gets posted. There's nothing wrong with constructive critisism but have some common courtesy and respect and don't say stuff you wouldn't say to someones face in real life.
I'm gonna say it's more these guys that deserve the thanks
That was a good price drop for raising sales.
Not as good as the Pro for $249, Slim for $200 fever dream Pachter had before E3, but good enough.
SandwichMeat
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And if you ask Patrick I'm sure he'd tell you that the only reason he got better was because of all the help he got from the brave heroes who constantly criticized him in the comments.
Oh I don't want to even think what would've happened to Patrick without all that lovely harassment he got.
Basileus777
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Tone policing just kind of validates TraBuch's point.
Actually he already has said that the criticism he got helped him.
Actually he already has said that the criticism he got helped him.
lol. That kind of behavior belongs in the JJ Trek-verse, where Ben and Will would fit in really well. On the TNG Enterprise that shit wouldn't fly.
I wouldn't say Patrick sucked on video, but he hadn't quite yet acclimated to the GB vibe. Before GB he'd already had been on tons of 1UP.com video content.
SandwichMeat
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mmm fine this is kind of a pointless convo i guess
everything will be good at Giant Bomb. There will be ups and downs, but shit will be good
everything will be good at Giant Bomb. There will be ups and downs, but shit will be good
Basileus777
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I believe they call it a joke.
Patrick addresses his criticism constantly. He clearly learned from it. But I'm sure on this place we seem to think every criticism equates to screaming at him and how hes dumb
SandwichMeat
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yea i'm moving on it's whatever
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Not all of it.
But he certainly got a lot of that.
To be clear like Ben still hasn't gotten the amount of unwarranted shit that patrick got. Patrick is pretty good at picking out the signal from the noise though, and address things that he feels are valid.
SandwichMeat
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yea yea this is what i mean.
i guess the tough part is to know what is or isn't valid
it's like that lady who said how to know when something is or isn't porn i guess
Piston Hyundai
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they call this bowing out gracefully
funkystudent
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Kinda good to see having a lot of great exclusive games in a few months and the Xbox kinda not having zip showing.
Sony only had crazy deals for the PS4 around E3 didnt they?
And Switch doing well but of course you got to ask how well it could have sold if Nintendo didnt Nintendo its stock.
As someone who kinda totally hated on Patrick too damn much early on instead of giving him time. Patrick handled that stuff like a champ. If anything he probably cared a little too much because the dude actually got in touch with me and wanted to know my opinion on stuff. I was the definition of a random internet asshole and he reached out. That takes something.
I remember saying I hope he is able to get his own video thing going and he responded with telling me he was tossing around the idea which I guess became spooking with scoops a few months later.
How many nude Polaroids will this get me if I buy him something off his wishlist?
I feel like the shit Ben gets isn't nearly as over-the-top as the shit Patrick got. The shit Ben gets is mostly about his voice and sense of humor, the shit Patrick got was for being a decent person. I'm not even a big Patrick fan and know that most of the bullshit directed at him had nothing to do with things he did on video or on the podcast.
Even if I'm not a huge fan of his, I give Patrick all the credit in the world for being able to weather all the bullshit from assholes and actually being able to scrub through all that to find legit criticism and make himself a better on-air personality.
Even if I'm not a huge fan of his, I give Patrick all the credit in the world for being able to weather all the bullshit from assholes and actually being able to scrub through all that to find legit criticism and make himself a better on-air personality.
SandwichMeat
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I wonder if the One X will help microsoft catch up this fall.
Like when the ps3 was lagging behind last gen sony's strategy was to drop the price to 299 and put out Uncharted 2 and Gran Turismo 5 and stuff.
Microsoft has some neat games coming but their box is gonna be expensive, maybe they'll drop the price on the base model by a lot or something?
Like when the ps3 was lagging behind last gen sony's strategy was to drop the price to 299 and put out Uncharted 2 and Gran Turismo 5 and stuff.
Microsoft has some neat games coming but their box is gonna be expensive, maybe they'll drop the price on the base model by a lot or something?
Piston Hyundai
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so did everybody else
remember when I asked you if you just get games to complain about them
Death Metalist
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