Going on a blind date, well sorta, I have her on facebook but...

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You know that other dating thread is getting all the attention but this one is just as facinating in its own way. Complete with some Houston "Alpha as fuck" 3000 quotes
 
And shes still talking to him. Has this one in the bag I'd say.

Meh, she probably is a a little curious as to his "artsy" side as opposed to the usual corporate dudes...Methinks anyway.

Unfortunately, I've heard many corporate women complain about getting dates. Some think its an intimidation factor.
 
Re-reading Houston (Alpha as Fuck) 3000's post below gives me slightly biased perspective of him after the A, B, C, Deez (Raw)Nuts' post in the other thread.

But I am still convinced the guy's heart is in the right place after reading the bolded part of his post. The guy is genuinely trying to help me out with this.

You're such a god damn failure Johnny... jeezus, you asked her on a SECOND date via email?? After she sent you a message with all those little winking faces?

You're one luck SOB, I tell ya, if this girl is half of what you make her out to be at least (she's obviously desperate so you got that in your favor). You screwed up the first date and she's still throwing you a line. People would be right to berate you for not calling her on the phone almost immediately but not only do you not do that, you don't even text message her, you send her an email. Next time just write her a letter, or better yet puff out some smoke signals instead.

I swear Johnny, stop fucking this up. Get it together man! You're not just doing this for yourself, you're doing this for all of us!

Anyway back on topic!

I am glad to report that my second date is in the bag for this coming up weekend :)

And I'm calling her tonight to pan out the details.
 
It actually sounds like the first date went rather poorly, even if you don't consider the fact that you were so late. I mean it does sound like there is a seed of communication and mutual attraction there, but it also sounds like you've become way too fucking excited about her physical looks and background and are going to get crushed when she eventually decides she just wants to be friends because she gets turned off by how desperate you come off.


Also I can't believe anybody would bring out a phone in the middle of a date. Even in the bathroom. Just try to be less anxious and turn your phone off when you go to the second date.

And shes still talking to him. Has this one in the bag I'd say.

It's very rare not to get a second date, unless you acted like an absolute asshole in every way on the first.


Hate to be a ball-breaker, but somebody has to do it.
 
Ok I got some solid advice on kissing on the second date from the Dating Age thread.

Here's the problem though, I already made plans to go to a nice restaurant but haven't made any further plans to where to take her after?

I obviously don't want to kiss her at the restaurant or any other confined space, ie: seating booths, in the car etc.

So my question is, where is a nice place to go for a (romantic) walk in downtown TO? open air, relaxed environment where I can make her feel at ease and go for the 90 and expect the 10?


This will be most likely at night (late), I just noticed someone at the dating age thread taking a girl to an aquarium to kiss, sounds pretty sweet, is there such Aquariums in Toronto? Even though not exactly, outdoors and open air, but its good to have a safe indoor back up, just in case the weather is too cold.

So any good suggestions? Parks? Maybe lakeshore? waterfront? We might be on College St. or Bloor though, but driving around town to get to a location shouldn't be a problem.
 
Johnathan, that kind of thing should be spontaneous and natural. You should not try to build an elaborate plan behind it, it's only going to put more needless pressure on you.
 
I agree with both of you guys... this was my post from the other thread, which is more or less in tune with your thoughts on the subject.

What's your thoughts on kissing (lips of course) on the second date? I'm not gonna be that guy that's gonna "go for the kill" maan! Nor am I gonna base my night on kissing her, just gonna let the night take it's course and maybe kiss her after walking to her door, or at a nice relaxing, open air walk at the end of the night.

What say you GAF? Too soon on the second date? I just don't want to take my sweet time in case I end up in the...you guessed it the FZ.
 
Cage, you need to calm down and take it easy, especially if you are trying to play up the whole "artsy-fartsy" side of things. Don't even worry about the kiss because if you both want it, it'll happen. Worry more about being yourself and not worrying (heh), exactly like Snuggler said.

Go to Kensington Market or the Beaches for a walk and maybe another drink or desert/ice cream. Grab a park bench and toss your arm around her or something. It really doesn't matter too much, as long as she's feeling it. Toronto is a perfect city for this kinda stuff.
 
Ok I got some solid advice on kissing on the second date from the Dating Age thread.

Here's the problem though, I already made plans to go to a nice restaurant but haven't made any further plans to where to take her after?

I obviously don't want to kiss her at the restaurant or any other confined space, ie: seating booths, in the car etc.

So my question is, where is a nice place to go for a (romantic) walk in downtown TO? open air, relaxed environment where I can make her feel at ease and go for the 90 and expect the 10?


This will be most likely at night (late), I just noticed someone at the dating age thread taking a girl to an aquarium to kiss, sounds pretty sweet, is there such Aquariums in Toronto? Even though not exactly, outdoors and open air, but its good to have a safe indoor back up, just in case the weather is too cold.

So any good suggestions? Parks? Maybe lakeshore? waterfront? We might be on College St. or Bloor though, but driving around town to get to a location shouldn't be a problem.


I would say City Hall but its under construction right now
College and Bloor don't intersect lol

Waterfront is nice during the daytime

Yonge and Dundas is ok but will have lots of people

I dunno, when I walk around with my gf we just walk wherever


Or get into the Toronto-Age thread and look up the mountains of suggestions we've compiled there
 
... or just look up one post. Definitely go to Kensington esp if you're already on College. Park and walk any and everywhere in the square going from Spadina to Bathurst and College to Dundas. There's a park in the middle and tons of cool places you could stop into if you want.

Just watch out for the aggressive post-hipsters (you know, the ones who are so cool they dress like they're in the '50s) and you'll be fine
 
Enjoy the evening. Relax and just be yourself and get to know another person.

Don't put any pressure on it and you'll love it.

good god, I hope we don't hear from him - it means that he's limiting his washroom breaks (lol 4 times?? wtf...). It's not that late yet
 
Take her to a nice park. And stop overthinking things! Already planning out a kiss, for a date that hasnt happened yet. And dont take her to the aquarium, that works for the other poster situation, not yours.
 
Take her to a nice park. And stop overthinking things! Already planning out a kiss, for a date that hasnt happened yet. And dont take her to the aquarium, that works for the other poster situation, not yours.

from the toronto OT it sounds like he's going to the CNE or St. Lawrence market

lol both of which will be a lot better than an aquarium lol
 
Take her to a nice park. And stop overthinking things! Already planning out a kiss, for a date that hasnt happened yet. And dont take her to the aquarium, that works for the other poster situation, not yours.

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It's fun to dream or think about it or whatever but don't make an elaborate plan about things. Just let shit happen.

Edit: Oh he's on a date right now. Well don't read this then. Pay attention to your date.
 
Hmm.. I am sitting here as I sip on my cheap cup of McDonald's coffee, this time with one cream and one SUGAR instead of Splenda, since my date last night made a huge deal about consuming aspartame on daily basis, "it's not good for you, it may be cancerous, just take sugar with your coffee who cares." - "but I don't like putting a teaspoon of (refined) sugar in my system every day..." - "just stay away from sweeteners, trust me..." _"Ookay :|" I'm already influenced by her "righteous" and "healthy" views of life...But where is all this going now, really?

Watch Johnny be the perfect gentleman on the second date, and she loses interest.

I was kind of afraid this quote might have some foreshadowing effect going on my second date, and it may have done so a bit... But let's not jump to conclusions just yet.

I really am not at all inspired to write up an elaborate update on Date #2 at this very moment, I donno, I feel a bit bummed out about last night, if I could bullet point the date, on paper, it should seem like there's nothing to be bummed out about.

  • Showed up 7 minutes early and parked my car and waited for her downstairs instead of being late 1.2 hours making her wait for me at the bar like last time.

  • Most romantic dinner on the fifty-first (51) floor of a restaurant overlooking the beautiful Toronto Skyline, We watched the sun set and the city lights gradullay light up the TO skyline as we gorged on some tasty pizza.

  • After walking around the city and in the crowded streets of St. Lawrence Market we held hands, romantically, hugged and caressed as we watched street performers juggle firey swords/batons at Buskerfest.

  • Held hands as I drove through the streets of TO downtown...kissed the back of her hand, while waiting at a stop light...

  • And finally... opened the car door for her like a chauffeur or a gentlement, as she stepped out and got her keys out of her purse, kissed her goodnight, not once, twice on the lips.

These are just things on the surface, it is the small details and things in between these points, make me question, if it will ever work out between us, or I am just further moving towards a fizzling out dating experience.

 
Hmm.. I am sitting here as I sip on my cheap cup of McDonald's coffee, this time with one cream and one SUGAR instead of Splenda, since my date last night made a huge deal about consuming aspartame on daily basis, "it's not good for you, it may be cancerous, just take sugar with your coffee who cares." - "but I don't like putting a teaspoon of (refined) sugar in my system every day..." - "just stay away from sweeteners, trust me..." _"Ookay :|" I'm already influenced by her "righteous" and "healthy" views of life...But where is all this going now, really?



I was kind of afraid this quote might have some foreshadowing effect going on my second date, and it may have done so a bit... But let's not jump to conclusions just yet.

I really am not at all inspired to write up an elaborate update on Date #2 at this very moment, I donno, I feel a bit bummed out about last night, if I could bullet point the date, on paper, it should seem like there's nothing to be bummed out about.

  • Showed up 7 minutes early and parked my car and waited for her downstairs instead of being late 1.2 hours making her wait for me at the bar like last time.

  • Most romantic dinner on the 51th floor of a rstaurant overlooking the beautiful Toronto Skyline, We watched the sun set and the city lights gradullay light up the TO skyline as we gorged on some tasty pizza.

  • After walking around the city and in the crowded sstreets of St. Lawrenc emarket we held hands, romantically, hugged and carssed as we watched street performers juggle firey swords/batons.
  • Held hands as I drove through the streets of TO downtown...kissed the back of her hand, while waiting at a stop light...

  • And finally... opened the car door for her like a chauffeur or a gentlement, as she stepped out and got her keys out of her purse, kissed her goodnight, not once, twice on the lips.

These are just things on the surface, it is the small details and things in between these points, make me question, if it will ever work out between us, or I am just further moving towards a fizzling out dating experience.
You are totally overthinking this.
 
1). Go on Romantic Date
2). Kiss her and make her think everything is going great
3). Lament about it later on a Message Board
4). ???
5). Profit
 
I am beginning to think, I may just not be the happiest person, deep inside and its me, that just cannot be bothered or excited about anything anymore, I donno, I just feel so empty.

This may seem a little inconsistent with my personality with the rest of this thread, and it is like dropping a bombshell out of nowhere, or it may not be surprising to some of you at all.. haha!

But I donno, I'm so jaded, I feel like all the work put into dating is not even worth the trouble, I just feel foolish, I may sound very selfish and ungrateful for having this chance and being all bitchy about it. The truth is, it's not in me anymore, I miss the excitement I used to have meeting someone and going on dates, I just don't give a fuck anymore, and it all seems artificial.
 
I am beginning to think, I may just not be the happiest person, deep inside and its me, that just cannot be bothered or excited about anything anymore, I donno, I just feel so empty.

This may seem a little inconsistent with my personality with the rest of this thread, and it is like dropping a bombshell out of nowhere, or it may not be surprising to some of you at all.. haha!

But I donno, I'm so jaded, I feel like all the work put into dating is not even worth the trouble, I just feel foolish, I may sound very selfish and ungrateful for having this chance and being all bitchy about it. The truth is, it's not in me anymore, I miss the excitement I used to have meeting someone and going on dates, I just don't give a fuck anymore, and it all seems artificial.

Kinda sounds like you're suffering from depression.
 
I am beginning to think, I may just not be the happiest person, deep inside and its me, that just cannot be bothered or excited about anything anymore, I donno, I just feel so empty.

This may seem a little inconsistent with my personality with the rest of this thread, and it is like dropping a bombshell out of nowhere, or it may not be surprising to some of you at all.. haha!

But I donno, I'm so jaded, I feel like all the work put into dating is not even worth the trouble, I just feel foolish, I may sound very selfish and ungrateful for having this chance and being all bitchy about it. The truth is, it's not in me anymore, I miss the excitement I used to have meeting someone and going on dates, I just don't give a fuck anymore, and it all seems artificial.

[*]Most romantic dinner on the fifty-first (51) floor of a restaurant overlooking the beautiful Toronto Skyline, We watched the sun set and the city lights gradullay light up the TO skyline as we gorged on some tasty pizza.


[*]After walking around the city and in the crowded streets of St. Lawrence Market we held hands, romantically, hugged and caressed as we watched street performers juggle firey swords/batons at Buskerfest.


[*]Held hands as I drove through the streets of TO downtown...kissed the back of her hand, while waiting at a stop light...


[*]And finally... opened the car door for her like a chauffeur or a gentlement, as she stepped out and got her keys out of her purse, kissed her goodnight, not once, twice on the lips.

To me it sounds like the date was great.. and as hard as work as it may be just think about what you would have been doing if you didn't go on the date. Surfing the internet? Some video games? I think watching the sunset over Toronto's skyline and holding hands enjoying the city with someone is a lot more meaningful than the alternatives.

And part of me thinks you know this as well, but I guess being away from the game / still sort of hung up over your ex makes this harder for you to see, and the fact that things may be going in the right direction makes this all the more real.

What restaurant did you guys go to btw?
 
sometimes people just don't have that spark for you. Even if on paper they seem like a good match.

Plus you trying to move on with your life after a break up/possibly being depressed.
 
Panorama Lounge

http://www.panoramalounge.com/

I thought I took a snap shot with my phone before the sunset, but I guess I didn't, oh well that sucks, but I did snap a few shots when it got dark.

It's a really nice place to take someone on the second/third date. Maybe a bit too much for a first date...


How are the portion sizes? Food seems cheaper than it should be for a restaurant with a view like that in TO

Never heard of this place, I am intrigued
 
Good job with the second date, OP.

But if I was you I'd still park the car at home for the next few dates. You're taking too much of a gamble with the traffic. Five minutes early is still a close call. You must have seen a difference between her being pissed off with you on the first date and how she was with you on the second date.

GL, HF, but you're still playing catch-up.
 
How are the portion sizes? Food seems cheaper than it should be for a restaurant with a view like that in TO

Never heard of this place, I am intrigued

The food isn't the greatest, the portion sizes are average, not too little , not too much. We ordered a few "starters" and one "main" I was very disappointed by the "main" it was a Ravioli something or rather, but I swear it tasted like they just opened a can of Chef Boyardee and heated it up and served it. As "starters" we ordered one order of spring rolls, one order of grilled chicken pizza and one order of Mariana??Margeritha pizza (sorry I don't have the menu in front of me)

The pizzas were great! the chicken one was the best, same price as the Mariann?? one.

Spring rolls came in four, if I remember correctly they were two big rolls cut in half, they were ok, but nothing special. This proved to big waay too much food for just the two of us, sadly we ordered the best item last, and we couldn't finish it (Grilled Chicken Pizza)...

So yeah, bottom line you are paying for the drinks and the view, food is good but not great, avoid the expensive "main" items, there is quite the selection for "starters". Two pizzas is more than enough for two people, I have no idea why we ordered all the other crap.

You didn't ask, but might as well give you an overall review of the place, again, it's a great place to take your SO, maybe even for an anniversary, or special occasion... there were at least two separate groups of friends their celebrating birthdays. It's also good for a third, fourth date...

The view is amazing, I've been living in TO for 20 years, been to many friend's high rise apartments in High Park, Young and Egl. Lakeshore, Queens Quay etc. seen a lot of nice views of the city, but this one is really cool. you get to see the entire downtown, East to West, every building. The crowd there is meh! Some tourists, some suits/younger professionals, greased up banker dudes, lot of those. The Yorkville crowd, other than that, it's ok.

Don't show up there after 8pm, for three good reasons 1)you have to pay a $5? or $10??? cover charge 2)It will be very crowded on the weekend, you will not get a good seat outside with a good view, you have to wait inside, and the place kind of sucks when it gets crowded (when we were leaving) and 3) it's nice to see the city when the sun is still up and also nice to see it when it sets and its dark. It's a nice time of the year to go, it's not too hot and not too cold and the patio is protected by high winds... The type of friends I have (mostly dudes) they wont be up for this, it's not the cheapest place either to eat or drink! (drinks are friking pricey!). But if you have lot of friends with couples, it's a good place to go with a group of couples... etc. or with just a date.

If you live anywhere near metropolitan TO, and can afford about 50-60 bucks out on a night, you gotta check out this place at least once.

When you make reservations, make sure you ask for the SOUTH side Balcony/Patio. everybody goes to the South for the downtown view, no one cares about the North side.
 
Good job with the second date, OP.

But if I was you I'd still park the car at home for the next few dates. You're taking too much of a gamble with the traffic. Five minutes early is still a close call. You must have seen a difference between her being pissed off with you on the first date and how she was with you on the second date.

GL, HF, but you're still playing catch-up.

This is true what you say about the car, I live North of the city , I kinda have to drive, there isn't a convenient way to get to downtown, I can park my car I guess at the nearest TTC, but for now I am driving... I left my place right on time, not as early as I wanted to, when I was approaching downtown, the traffic was getting heavy, I was getting nervous... but just made it in time, I did have to speed a few places on the Gardiner...but yeah, just in before destroying my rep as a non-punctual bastard!
 
some girls avoid putting pics of themselves up on facebook. probably for good reason.

EDIT: actually read through whole thread.
holy shit jonny. you are overthinking everything like mad.
 
Nice work on the second date OP

/brofist

I actually setup an online dating profile off the back of this thread and have had a couple of contacts already. Cheers for the updates too.
 
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