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Greece Agreement Reached
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SPD (socialists, Gabriel)
- Gysi you little twat (paraphrasing)
- The SPD votes yes
- We thank Merkel and Hollande
(He's not saying anything really.)
- We should end discussions about a Grexit
- Austerity didn't ruin Greece, debt was high even before austerity
- But austerity didn't help, it made things worse
- We have to be honest, the first two programmes didn't help, reasons were Greece's broken system
- IWF wants more growth in Greece, we agree
- One needs growth, just look at how Germany came through the the crisis
- Difference between Germany and Greece, Greece lacks of stable structures
- We want to free Greece of its old elite, who ruined the country. So does the the new Greek government
Summary: I'm totes with Merkel but I'm a socialist so we need more social justice I guess.
Oh wait, there's more
- Companies have to pay their taxes
- Gysi you little twat (paraphrasing)
- The SPD votes yes
- We thank Merkel and Hollande
(He's not saying anything really.)
- We should end discussions about a Grexit
- Austerity didn't ruin Greece, debt was high even before austerity
- But austerity didn't help, it made things worse
- We have to be honest, the first two programmes didn't help, reasons were Greece's broken system
- IWF wants more growth in Greece, we agree
- One needs growth, just look at how Germany came through the the crisis
- Difference between Germany and Greece, Greece lacks of stable structures
- We want to free Greece of its old elite, who ruined the country. So does the the new Greek government
Summary: I'm totes with Merkel but I'm a socialist so we need more social justice I guess.
Oh wait, there's more
- Companies have to pay their taxes
No. It already is.
They have neither punch nor spine on the big government level. They're pretty great in the local government in Hamburg.
anonymous_abc
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Yea we're beginning to resign to the idea of a further decade of mother Merkel...
There is just no change in sight for the SPD.
Gurgelhals
Member
Gysi is awesome. A shame he's retiring as leader of the opposition.
anonymous_abc
Member
Yeah, it was really nice to have an opposition. Now it will probably become the Hofreiter sucking Merkels dick show.
cyberheater
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Well she's not wrong.
Too busy sucking Gazprom's boobs to be bothered, not to mention paying ex wives with Gazprom's wallet.
https://twitter.com/BBC_Joe_Lynam
You have some damn rich bakers in Berlin, stop eating so many pastries.
You have some damn rich bakers in Berlin, stop eating so many pastries.
Bündnis90/The Greens (Göring-Eckhardt)
- Gabriel are you high? (paraphrasing)
- Goodness me, what happened to the socialists?
- What do you think the Greeks think when they see German socialists pushing for Grexit? (She's talking about Schäuble/Gabriel/Merkel plan during the negotiations)
- I agree that the Greek government lost our trust. But you (Merkel et al) lost our trust as well
- I'm glad that Europe stopped the German plans (during the negotiations)
- Temporary Grexit proposal was a historic mistake
- Third programme is tough but has some good points
- Some points don't make sense and will push Greece into a deep recession
- IMF is right
- We need to invest in alternative power in Greece, wind etc.
- She brought up WWII and how the west helped Germany out (second person to do that today)
- Gabriel are you high? (paraphrasing)
- Goodness me, what happened to the socialists?
- What do you think the Greeks think when they see German socialists pushing for Grexit? (She's talking about Schäuble/Gabriel/Merkel plan during the negotiations)
- I agree that the Greek government lost our trust. But you (Merkel et al) lost our trust as well
- I'm glad that Europe stopped the German plans (during the negotiations)
- Temporary Grexit proposal was a historic mistake
- Third programme is tough but has some good points
- Some points don't make sense and will push Greece into a deep recession
- IMF is right
- We need to invest in alternative power in Greece, wind etc.
- She brought up WWII and how the west helped Germany out (second person to do that today)
Can't currently watch anymore. Who is talking for the Greens?
travisbickle
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Amazon paid zero taxes on their warehouses/centres in a number of European countries due to a loophole.
Karin Göring-Eckhardt
So why isn't the European COmmission investigating these bakers instead of hassling US tech companies?
Everybody knows that. Yet, is still an over the top comparison that is well worth a joke.
I'm confident that even with all the loopholes, Amazon paid in its entire activity more taxes than the bakers from Berlin.
Schäuble:
- Taking a piss at Gysi because he already left the building.
- We all agree that we want to help the Greek people. That is not the question.
- We need to find a way that works. It's complicated.
- During the negotiations, Greece ignored every single agreement.
- Euro has to be stable, so that everyone can prosper.
- The goal is to give Greece access back to the financial markets. The left always says that we saved the banks. But you see what happens when the banks have to close.
- Past reforms have not failed. Greece was on a good path before Syriza came to power. Everything worked in other nations.
- Conditions are hard. But not because we want to hurt Greece, but because they are necessary to keep Greece in the Euro, according to their own wishes.
- Haircut is not possible according to Eurozone law. So austerity is the only way.
- Need to stop with silly polemics that ignore reality. Need to act according to what works.
- Greece has very high administrative costs per GDP compared to the rest of Europe. Pension system is inefficient. Can't explain that to countries with lower standards of living than Greece.
- Greece made its own decisions. We told them things would get more complicated the longer we delay action.
- Taking a piss at Gysi because he already left the building.
- We all agree that we want to help the Greek people. That is not the question.
- We need to find a way that works. It's complicated.
- During the negotiations, Greece ignored every single agreement.
- Euro has to be stable, so that everyone can prosper.
- The goal is to give Greece access back to the financial markets. The left always says that we saved the banks. But you see what happens when the banks have to close.
- Past reforms have not failed. Greece was on a good path before Syriza came to power. Everything worked in other nations.
- Conditions are hard. But not because we want to hurt Greece, but because they are necessary to keep Greece in the Euro, according to their own wishes.
- Haircut is not possible according to Eurozone law. So austerity is the only way.
- Need to stop with silly polemics that ignore reality. Need to act according to what works.
- Greece has very high administrative costs per GDP compared to the rest of Europe. Pension system is inefficient. Can't explain that to countries with lower standards of living than Greece.
- Greece made its own decisions. We told them things would get more complicated the longer we delay action.
CDU/CSU - Schäuble
- We all want to help Greece
- Only Greece didn't hold their end of the bargain, that's why we're in this mess in the first place
- We want and have to help Greece
- Being part of the Euro means you have to have a strong, functioning monetary system
- The first two programmes didn't fail, the IMF agreed
- Greece had a surplus
- Unemployment was down
- In order for Greece to be competitive the country needs to undergo reforms right now
- Greece's administration sector is bloated
Summary: Kepp your polemic, the cold truth is that Greece needs this tough conditions in order to become competitive. Greece needs a restructuring. (Grexit?)
- We all want to help Greece
- Only Greece didn't hold their end of the bargain, that's why we're in this mess in the first place
- We want and have to help Greece
- Being part of the Euro means you have to have a strong, functioning monetary system
- The first two programmes didn't fail, the IMF agreed
- Greece had a surplus
- Unemployment was down
- In order for Greece to be competitive the country needs to undergo reforms right now
- Greece's administration sector is bloated
Summary: Kepp your polemic, the cold truth is that Greece needs this tough conditions in order to become competitive. Greece needs a restructuring. (Grexit?)
Socialists lol Marx is rolling like fuck in his grave.
Die Linke - Sarah Wagenknecht
- Nobody denies that Greece needs reforms. For instance, they need higher taxation for the rich.
- Schäuble's ideas are not reforms. They ruined Greece. And you want to be even harder than that.
- Gabriel (SPD) is a joke.
- You are destroying democracy in Greece.
- Other people agree that reforms won't help. Debts are unsustainable.
- It's Merkel's fault that we are wasting taxpayer money on reforms that don't work.
- We need a haircut. Schäuble, GTFO with rules. We broke the rules as well in 2010 when you socialized bank losses.
- Comparing what is happening in Greece to a coup.
- You are destroying Europe by handing it to the technocrats.
- Nobody denies that Greece needs reforms. For instance, they need higher taxation for the rich.
- Schäuble's ideas are not reforms. They ruined Greece. And you want to be even harder than that.
- Gabriel (SPD) is a joke.
- You are destroying democracy in Greece.
- Other people agree that reforms won't help. Debts are unsustainable.
- It's Merkel's fault that we are wasting taxpayer money on reforms that don't work.
- We need a haircut. Schäuble, GTFO with rules. We broke the rules as well in 2010 when you socialized bank losses.
- Comparing what is happening in Greece to a coup.
- You are destroying Europe by handing it to the technocrats.
For how much aversion is for debt in speeches, we sure as hell like to accumulate debts in Europe. Especially in times of austerity:
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&init=1&plugin=1&pcode=tipsgo10&language=en#
The southern belles are surely on a good path there. Even others like France, Austria or Belgium surely like a lot of borrowed money.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&init=1&plugin=1&pcode=tipsgo10&language=en#
The southern belles are surely on a good path there. Even others like France, Austria or Belgium surely like a lot of borrowed money.
getting rekt left and right
SPD, Thomas Oppermann
- Wagenknecht is insane. Listening to her makes Tsipras look great.
- We are happy that we managed to reach a deal with hard work. We saved the will to cooperate with partners like France and Greece.
- Goes around and jerks everyone off who worked hard to reach a deal.
- lulz, greens are cowards for not voting.
- Gysi is a smart ass. Voted differently in European parliament and Bundestag. He is a populist hypocrite. You only do this because you know that we are voting yes.
- Kurgmann has a nobel price, but he is an idiot for saying that we want to humiliate Greece.
- Greece's economy does not work. That has to change first.
- Europe showed solidarity over the last years. We did a haircut of the private sector in 2012, and we extended payback timeframes.
- It is intolerable how Schäuble is being vilified by others publicly and in social media.
- Greece didn't implement reforms in the past, and troika ignored it often. Need to change that.
- Crisis demonstrated that we need more Europe.
- Populist parties all over Europe are a threat to Europe. They promise unrealistic things left and right.
- Wagenknecht is insane. Listening to her makes Tsipras look great.
- We are happy that we managed to reach a deal with hard work. We saved the will to cooperate with partners like France and Greece.
- Goes around and jerks everyone off who worked hard to reach a deal.
- lulz, greens are cowards for not voting.
- Gysi is a smart ass. Voted differently in European parliament and Bundestag. He is a populist hypocrite. You only do this because you know that we are voting yes.
- Kurgmann has a nobel price, but he is an idiot for saying that we want to humiliate Greece.
- Greece's economy does not work. That has to change first.
- Europe showed solidarity over the last years. We did a haircut of the private sector in 2012, and we extended payback timeframes.
- It is intolerable how Schäuble is being vilified by others publicly and in social media.
- Greece didn't implement reforms in the past, and troika ignored it often. Need to change that.
- Crisis demonstrated that we need more Europe.
- Populist parties all over Europe are a threat to Europe. They promise unrealistic things left and right.
:lol
Schäuble could actually be the only speaker today who actually cares in some way for Greece.
When are the next elections?
2017
Allthough there are also always smaller elections for the states that everyone wants to win too.
So that's what the deal solves, after all.
Theonik
Member
Duh
Though I expect this program to collapse before that.
jakonovski
Member
Let them eat cake.
Die Grünen, Gerhard Schick
- Oppermann and Gabriel are a joke. They deny that deal was forced upon Greece. Where have the social democrats gone?
- Schäuble is wrong on everything. Debts need to be canceled.
- We need to accept mistakes to move forward.
- Need to keep social situation in Greece in mind.
- Negotiations went too far. Violated the culture of democracy in Europe.
- Merkel is reckless for not controlling Schäuble
- We bailed out banks, wtf
tl;dr - everyone is following party lines with standard talking points
- Oppermann and Gabriel are a joke. They deny that deal was forced upon Greece. Where have the social democrats gone?
- Schäuble is wrong on everything. Debts need to be canceled.
- We need to accept mistakes to move forward.
- Need to keep social situation in Greece in mind.
- Negotiations went too far. Violated the culture of democracy in Europe.
- Merkel is reckless for not controlling Schäuble
- We bailed out banks, wtf
tl;dr - everyone is following party lines with standard talking points
Gurgelhals
Member
It's not that it's not going to be Merkel who will have to deal with the ever escalating mess again after 2017 though.
Is she bailing out after this term?
Gurgelhals
Member
Of course not, on the contrary (I probably should have formulated my post a bit better). At the moment, it's a given that she's going to be Chancellor after 2017 as well (because the SPD and Gabriel are a joke and can't win elections, etcetera, etcetera...).
Theonik
Member
Yeah but after the election!
That doesn't matter as such, because this is a mess for Germany only from the political impact/elections point of view. Any other side effect can be dealt very well by the German government internally. And the political impact is now solved ... until after the next elections. If shit hits the fan after that, there are still enough years left to find another deal.
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Guardian said:
Well, well.
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