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Halo |OT9| One Final Effort Is All That Remains

GhaleonEB

Member
My problem with the OST thus far is the apparent lack of a distinct, iconic theme. Never mind the total absence of Halo's iconic monk chant.

I know they wanted to go something unique and their own, but it might just be a case of tossing the baby with the bath water.

You don't simply throw away a decade's worth of audio identity just for the sake of it.

As good as the music is, not a single track makes me think of Halo.

I grew worried about the soundtrack when I read an interview with Davidge where he was asked whether there was a central theme to the score, and he said no, but MS might pick one to use as the main theme. I felt that setting the Halo theme aside was a mistake, but it's odd to create the first score for a new trilogy and there's not a central theme to mark the new game, or series, with. I thought providing that sense of identity would be important, given the main theme was gone.

Not judging the score one way or the other, it's just a really strange set of decisions.
 
like a lot of halo 4, i think thats the intent. they are trying to distinguish both themselves and their vision of halo from bungies and set the tone for a new trilogy. hopefully after playing, we'll have a new "sound" to characterize 343's trilogy with halo 4 themes that are built upon.

i'm all for it.

im going to respond with something i have said before. i still stand by my opinion that at least the standard halo theme should return in some way.


no, i don't think anyone is saying that. the halo theme is a major part of halo's identity, especially for a game that is a direct continuation of the original trilogy. this would be like a James Bond movie not featuring the signature theme. (even though im sure that's happened) even the movie Casino Royale, which was pretty much a reboot of the entire franchise had the theme at the very end.

I want every other part of the soundtrack to be unique, i'd even be fine with him changing up the theme to match the tone of the rest of the game, but in my opinion it has to be in there, or i'll be very dissapointed.


i'm op_ivy...

but you may have responded to me before and i may have posted the same thing before. my memory is pretty poor.

:lol :lol, the underscore threw me off. whoops.
 

op_ivy

Fallen Xbot (cannot continue gaining levels in this class)
im going to respond with something i have said before in response to you actually. i still stand by my opinion that at least the standard halo theme should return in some way.

i'm op_ivy...

but you may have responded to me before and i may have posted the same thing before. my memory is pretty poor.
 
So glad that guy got banned, fuck cancer. Its not a waste of time to show respect to someone who terminally suffered from it, the side effect of raising awareness makes it 100% worthwhile alone.
 
My problem with the OST thus far is the apparent lack of a distinct, iconic theme. Never mind the total absence of Halo's iconic monk chant.

I know they wanted to go something unique and their own, but it might just be a case of tossing the baby with the bath water.

You don't simply throw away a decade's worth of audio identity just for the sake of it.

As good as the music is, not a single track makes me think of Halo.

You have basically summed up my thoughts entirely. I have hopes for the soundtrack, but I have already resigned my thoughts into assuming I wont like it as much as past OSTs.
 
Well they brought back those awesome tribal monk chants even if they aren't word-for-word so to speak. We hadn't had those since Halo CE, the tribal ones took a back seat to the gregorian chants of single syllables. Not that it's a bad thing by any means but I love that they're getting some more fleshing out here. I can already hear a few recurring themes:

  • The "tse la de ee ma le no" is a 7-note riff that can be heard in Revival (DJ Skee & THX Remix Sample Edit), Nemesis and Revival, all with variations (including a string piece that uses the exact same notes in Revival). I think this is absolutely the ancient evil's theme, who's more than likely Didact's theme.
  • To Galaxy is basically cockteasing every recurring Halo theme in the series in a single track, even though one or two might take some effort to pick out.
  • Awakening has a five-note riff (the baaa-naaa, naaaa-naaaaa-naaaaaa done by the pianos in the original Sample Edit) that is prevalent throughout the entire track, sometimes shortened to four notes.

These are just a few and some recurring motifs are already very present; a major difference here is that Davidge is letting the instrumentation become iconic and allowing the melodies to complement it rather than the other way around, which is what may be confusing to some people at first. It doesn't help that Halo CE had maybe five themes or so:

Main Theme
Title (space monks)
The Flood (pretty much every horror piece, way more noticeable in CEA's soundtrack)
Brothers in Arms
Ambience Suite (Prevalent in a lot of the more technological pieces like Alien Corridors)

And about 85% of the remaining tracks were mixed in some way from them. Even The Library uses the main theme in its synth bells, just really really slowed down. I think as people play Halo 4 to the soundtrack rather than having to base it by itself it'll all click a lot more easily--maybe even moreso than Marty's scores.

I like you. You understand music and how it is being used.
 

senador

Banned
I grew worried about the soundtrack when I read an interview with Davidge where he was asked whether there was a central theme to the score, and he said no, but MS might pick one to use as the main theme. I felt that setting the Halo theme aside was a mistake, but it's odd to create the first score for a new trilogy and there's not a central theme to mark the new game, or series, with. I thought providing that sense of identity would be important, given the main theme was gone.

Not judging the score one way or the other, it's just a really strange set of decisions.

Yes, that is an odd decision to think about without playing it. I don't care about not keeping the previous Halo theme, but not creating a new one is kind of odd. Not having a theme often times makes for generic music. I don't know if that's the case, but I hope its not. Mostly, when I am playing it I just want it to feel like when I was playing previous Halo games. I hope the music can do that.
 

DeadNames

Banned
This is kind of strange... At the end of the E3 2011 trailer, the Halo theme was played.

It HAS to be in there...


Old HaloGAF member. Used to sign his posts "~B.B." Berserker Barrage I believe. Fell ill and died, sadly. I don't remember exactly what it was from though.

Oh... Where was the Reach memorial? Anyone have screens?
 
This is kind of strange... At the end of the E3 2011 trailer, the Halo theme was played.

It HAS to be in there...

oh wow, and it sounds perfectly in line with some of Davidson's themes. i really hope that made it into the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9YsrobXezI&feature=player_detailpage#t=78s


If Joel Goldsmith were still alive (RIP), I would've loved to see his take on a Halo soundtrack.

Two examples of his work:
1. Stargate SG1 Main Theme
2. Stargate Atlantis Main Theme

Atlantis is my favorite of the two.

why don't tv shows have awesome long opening credits like that anymore? i love them.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
Old HaloGAF member. Used to sign his posts "~B.B." Berserker Barrage I believe. Fell ill and died, sadly. I don't remember exactly what it was from though.

B.net post

When the news hit GAF.

Today we have lost a long time community member. After battling an infection for about a week he awoke this morning with a heavy fever and shortness of breath. He was admitted this morning to the hospital. A short time later on he slipped away and they were unable to revive him.
Very sudden. Incredibly sad. :(
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Old HaloGAF member. Used to sign his posts "~B.B." Berserker Barrage I believe. Fell ill and died, sadly. I don't remember exactly what it was from though.

I thought he was a soldier that died overseas, am I mistaken in that?

Edit: Yup, guess I was.
 

Homeboyd

Member
DEATHPIMP72 also fell rather suddenly. He will also be missed. Dude was awesome. You probably played on some of his maps in Halo 3 (and possibly Reach).
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Probably because it comes off as pretentious. There's no reason for it since your username is right there to the left. IGN had the same issue when I posted there, people really hate it. The same people who tend to put signatures at the bottom are the same type of people who will use colored text given the opportunity.
 

Doodis

Member
I'm a huge fan of the previous Halo soundtracks, but I'm actually preferring all the new music we've heard. There are definitely some great melodies and memorable refrains in Neil's compositions, and they all feel unique.

I've been listening to all of Marty's soundtracks, and while they're awesome, each one only has four or five really memorable pieces. The rest is tribal music filler, in my opinion (don't hate me).
 

Slightly Live

Dirty tag dodger
Well they brought back those awesome tribal monk chants even if they aren't word-for-word so to speak. We hadn't had those since Halo CE, the tribal ones took a back seat to the gregorian chants of single syllables. Not that it's a bad thing by any means but I love that they're getting some more fleshing out here. I can already hear a few recurring themes:

  • The "tse la de ee ma le no" is a 7-note riff that can be heard in Revival (DJ Skee & THX Remix Sample Edit), Nemesis and Revival, all with variations (including a string piece that uses the exact same notes in Revival). I think this is absolutely the ancient evil's theme, who's more than likely Didact's theme.
  • To Galaxy is basically cockteasing every recurring Halo theme in the series in a single track, even though one or two might take some effort to pick out.
  • Awakening has a five-note riff (the baaa-naaa, naaaa-naaaaa-naaaaaa done by the pianos in the original Sample Edit) that is prevalent throughout the entire track, sometimes shortened to four notes.

These are just a few and some recurring motifs are already very present; a major difference here is that Davidge is letting the instrumentation become iconic and allowing the melodies to complement it rather than the other way around, which is what may be confusing to some people at first. It doesn't help that Halo CE had maybe five themes or so:

Main Theme
Title (space monks)
The Flood (pretty much every horror piece, way more noticeable in CEA's soundtrack)
Brothers in Arms
Ambience Suite (Prevalent in a lot of the more technological pieces like Alien Corridors)

And about 85% of the remaining tracks were mixed in some way from them. Even The Library uses the main theme in its synth bells, just really really slowed down. I think as people play Halo 4 to the soundtrack rather than having to base it by itself it'll all click a lot more easily--maybe even moreso than Marty's scores.

Didn't you say you had the full OST already? Your listening, repeatedly, to the full version of each song whereas most folks here are just dealing the samples, and besides, you obviously know more about music than I do.

Not that I'm doubting what you're saying.

Don't get me wrong, I love the music that I've heard, for the most part. There's no doubting the quality, but to me I just don't hear anything familiar on a casual listen. There's pretty much no chance I'm going to be able to hear anything familiar whilst actually playing the game either.

It just doesn't sounds like Halo. There's nothing immediately familiar to the casual listener.

I'm more than happy to change my mind when I listen to the music properly and also within the context of the game.
 
Didn't you say you had the full OST already? Your listening, repeatedly, to the full version of each song whereas most folks here are just dealing the samples, and besides, you obviously know more about music than I do.

Not that I'm doubting what you're saying.

Don't get me wrong, I love the music that I've heard, for the most part. There's no doubting the quality, but to me I just don't hear anything familiar on a casual listen. There's pretty much no chance I'm going to be able to hear anything familiar whilst actually playing the game either.

It just doesn't sounds like Halo. There's nothing immediately familiar to the casual listener.

I'm more than happy to change my mind when I listen to the music properly and also within the context of the game.

:lol all I did was take the soundtrack samples, put them in a playlist, and rename them so it looked like it was the real thing. I was joking about that part, having porn up in one of my tabs was trying to be indicative of that.

And yeah, I can be really unconventional as far as music tastes go, but despite how good some of his compositions were I just feel like Marty feels so dated now listening to Davidge's stuff. Only time will tell if this pays off for him though.
 

Gray Man

Banned
I would really like to hear some reassurance that the game has some sort of main theme :p

Guys, I think I have an idea, maybe a big Change of Pace, but what if Green and Blue is the main theme?

If you Recall, the bells we heard for the Concept art trailer are present there.
 

DeadNames

Banned
I would really like to hear some reassurance that the game has some sort of main theme :p

Guys, I think I have an idea, maybe a big Change of Pace, but what if Green and Blue is the main theme?

End of E3 2011 Trailer.

I was thinking To Galaxy was the new theme.

Oh God. I hope that we can still have the classic one :/

Oh wait... Didn't we hear something like the theme in the Hero Awakens ViDoc?
 
Actually the more I listen to 117 I can see that being the New Theme perhaps?

That's what I've been saying. The Reclaimer trilogy is the story of Master Chief. 117 screams "Main theme" to me because of its title relating to Chief, and because of the recurring melody in it.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Who says they didnt show them something new?

They never show Geoff anything new. Are you new to this?!?!?

gametrailers halo episode usually shows something brand new for halo. for ODST they showed the Mickey tank level for the first time. for halo reach they showed off invasion and boneyard for the first time. i cant imagine they wouldn't show something new. a spartan ops mission perhaps? that new territories/conquest gametype maybe?

NOPE
 
friday? so far away :(

Don't like Gamtrailers, but we will see, maybe some new stuff.

edit: Ah I remember the press event, so stuff from there? Hopefully no campaign stuff :/ We need multiplayer details.

Also damn, almost every second thread on the gaming side is about the Wii U.

gametrailers halo episode usually shows something brand new. for ODST they showed the Mickey tank level for the first time. for halo reach they showed off invasion and boneyard for the first time. i cant imagine they wouldn't show something new. a spartan ops mission perhaps? that new territories/conquest gametype maybe?



yes, i watched them. hold on ill prove it.

example 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jZlbRkmMH8

example 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loe3H5gubu4
 

CyReN

Member
They never show Geoff anything new. Are you new to this?!?!?

gcpz3.png


Unless they show snippets from the vidoc, it could be new.
 
You guys disappoint me.

Of course there's new shit, GT is always complained about here for spoilers.

well, you certainly didn't make your sarcasm very noticeable. (or sarcasm detector brok'd) well, until your edit.

either that or i showed you proof and you backtracked. what are you hiding pal? spill it!

:p
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
well, you certainly didn't make your sarcasm very noticeable. (or sarcasm detector brok'd) well, until your edit.

either that or i showed you proof and you backtracked. what's your secret pal? spill it!

:p

There's no secrets, I'm just sitting here doing a reaction paper bored out of my mind.

I can explain to you the effect of race on information processing in jurors both in context of defense (alibi) and prosecution (strength of case) though!

So ready for December.
 
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