And no one's ever seen her with it until the first time she's ever commented about Palestine.
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Hamas terrorists infiltrated Israel. 1400+ killed, 2400+ wounded, 240+ abducted. Israel declares war
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winjer
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Antisemitic imagery for the past 100 years.
Early 20th century:
Nazi Germany:
Modern:
Now I understand why some people had a blue octopus in their pictures.
This really is a resurgence in antisemitism. Not even a century has passed since the holocaust.
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
It's a shame to see Greta Thunberg in this light. I always thought she was an incredibly intelligent young woman and was mostly wise with her influential reach over social media.
I didn't always agree with everything she said, but I respected her until that Twitter post. I think she'll look back on that image and greatly regret it. I hope the the Kraken or Octopus was just a coincidence for her sake!
I didn't always agree with everything she said, but I respected her until that Twitter post. I think she'll look back on that image and greatly regret it. I hope the the Kraken or Octopus was just a coincidence for her sake!
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
So the toy wasn't a coincidence then? Utterly abhorrent fuck her then.
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Salty Hippo
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Antisemitic imagery for the past 100 years.
Early 20th century:
Nazi Germany:
Modern:
It's ironic how well that kraken applies to the very same people who have historically wanted to kill it.
Kataploom
Gold Member
During Venezuela riots against socialist regime in 2014-2015, some were saying that militia were using cocaine so they could repress without regret and shit. It made sense because venezuelan regime sustain itself by cocaine and other narcotics production (therefore my theory of why they expropriated the lands where the food and other goods were produced).
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Honestly, it's probably just an unfortunate coincidence but you never know.
NickFire
Member
Coincidence sounds like a stretch here IMO.
winjer
Gold Member
Yes. This is not just a person who has some pity for Palestinians. It's full on racism on display.
I hope the IDF can be creative. What they need is some Wonder flower that changes the outcome. Some Israeli operation were very creative, and I think this one needs that. It needs to be a surprise, something they didn't anticipate. Brute force will be costly. Personally, I would just level Gaza, we warned the people there to flee south.Per FT. ~50,000 terrorist soldiers in Gaza, between Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Gaza is of a similar size to Mosul (about 2x), where we fought ISIS. Mosul had 8,000 ISIS fighters and took 100,000 US-coalition troops to clear, with 8,000 allied lives lost and 10,000 civilians killed. Mosul took nine months.
The invasion will be extremely difficult.
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The mission to clear the city of jihadi militants was ultimately successful. But the fighting was intense, took three times longer than planned, left 10,000 civilians dead, and killed more coalition soldiers than expected.
The battle to recapture the northern Iraqi city of Mosul from Isis in 2016 is a potential guide to what may happen if Israeli forces launch a ground offensive against Hamas militants in Gaza. It also offers a cautionary tale for the Israeli troops massing for the widely expected attack.
“It’s going to be fiendishly difficult,” said David Petraeus, a former US general who led Iraq’s allied forces during the 2007 “surge” and then Nato and US forces in Afghanistan. “I just can’t imagine more difficult circumstances.”
Benjamin Netanyahu, prime minister of Israel, and his war cabinet have clearly set out their war aims after Hamas fighters killed about 1,400 Israelis and took more than 200 people hostage in a surprise attack on October 7. The tasks for Israel’s armed forces are fourfold: topple the Hamas regime and destroy its military capabilities; remove the threat of attacks from Gaza; secure the return of hostages held by Hamas; and defend Israel’s borders and citizens.
But as the battle for Mosul shows, achieving just the first of these objectives is likely to be a gruelling task. Among the challenges facing Israel Defense Forces in Gaza, military officials and analysts said, are likely to be houses rigged to explode, fighters wearing civilian clothes, military facilities hidden underneath schools and other civilian structures, and weapons stored in mosques. Hamas is also deeply embedded in Palestinian society.
“Urban warfare is just one problem after another,” said a western special forces officer who accompanied Iraqi forces fighting in Mosul six years ago. “There is also no limit to the troop requirements,” he added. “Even if Israel sent 10mn soldiers into Gaza, it would still take a long time. And that’s just taking the territory; holding it is another matter.” The special forces officer added: “A more realistic mission would be to send in the IDF to damage a chunk of Hamas’ capabilities, eliminate enough of the leadership, and then pull back.”
Petraeus agreed Israel’s military commanders were likely to be discussing a range of options with the war cabinet and “explaining: look, we can destroy Hamas, but here’s what it would take. This is what it would mean.” A stream of western leaders and senior officials have delivered similar messages.
Rishi Sunak, UK prime minister, arrived in Israel on Thursday to show support but also to advise restraint. Similarly, US president Joe Biden in Tel Aviv the day before said Israel should not be “consumed” by rage and needed to avoid repeating the “mistakes” Washington made after the September 2001 terror attacks.
The battle for Mosul — which is similar in size to Gaza’s urban areas and had a comparable population of about 2mn when the city was occupied by Isis — began on October 16 2016. Inside the city were roughly 8,000 Isis fighters, compared with Gaza where Hamas has an estimated 30,000 to 40,000 fighters and Palestinian Islamic Jihad another 15,000 men under arms. Ranged against the militants in Mosul was an attacking force of 100,000 US-led Iraqi forces, compared with more than 160,000 troops in Israel’s standing army and 360,000 newly mobilised reservists.
In the skies above Mosul, international coalition planes provided constant surveillance and air strikes — similar to the Israeli fighter jets that have been hitting hundreds of Hamas targets. “Intelligence soaks”, by drones and other forms of surveillance, provided a detailed set of targets for them to attack.
Initial progress in Mosul was swift, but soon slowed as the attackers encountered fierce resistance. The Pentagon adjusted its rules on the use of air power, allowing air strikes to take place with less oversight. But Isis fighters then packed hundreds of civilians into government buildings to use as human shields, sometimes moving them through tunnels from one fighting position to another. Half-destroyed buildings surrounded by rubble, meanwhile, provided the jihadis with what one US commander described as ideal bomb-proof shelters.
“Cities have thousands of hiding places,” said the special forces officer. “If you want to remove an enemy, you have to clear the area house by house. But that puts you in 360 degrees of danger. You can’t just sweep through.” The battle for Mosul claimed the lives of 8,000 soldiers from the US-led coalition, and a fight expected to take three months ultimately took nine. “Hamas knows Gaza far better than [Isis] knew Mosul,” Petraeus said. “Moreover, it took us nine months [to capture Mosul] and Israel does not have that time . . . They know that international public opinion is going to shift . . . as the damage accumulates, and innocent civilians are killed.”
What the IDF does have is a series of carefully worked out plans to destroy Hamas’s capabilities, according to a 2017 study by the Rand Corporation, a Washington think-tank with ties to the US military. Ranked as small, medium and large, the plans were worked out before the IDF’s last ground invasion of Gaza in 2014. The smallest one involved the IDF taking control of northern Gaza without entering populated areas — a situation similar to the current state of fighting there. The medium plan envisaged a larger ground incursion into northern and southern areas. The largest plan involved taking all of Gaza. Although the plans remain secret, Israeli defence planners have worked out the forces needed to conduct each operation, according to the Rand study. Israel has also established a clear command and control structure, overseen by the general staff but operationally led by IDF’s southern command. Nevertheless, despite this careful planning, the chances of a swift Israeli operation in Gaza are slight.
Isis had only two years to ready its defences in Mosul while Hamas has had several in Gaza, said John Spencer, a former US major now at the Modern War Institute at West Point, speaking on a recent podcast about the potential offensive. Adding to the intricacies of Gaza’s terrain is a huge network of tunnels built by Hamas under the strip. Gaza City also has about 60 buildings of six floors or taller, versus almost none so tall in Mosul, according to Michael Knights at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “The IDF may yet surprise us,” said Ben Barry, a former British armoured infantry battalion commander. “In the end, it is all relative: if the defenders are highly motivated and well supplied with weapons that can produce a sufficient density of effective fire to stop the attackers, they can hold. If they don’t, it is another matter.”
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If they took time to make signs, and not just a post, they took time to think what to put in that picture. Not to mention there was zero mention of the hostages or 1500 Jews butchered.
Boozeroony
Gold Member
Say, she deliberately did put the octopus there, what would be her motive to do so? A dogwhistle to show she is a true antisemite?
I doubt many people would have recognized the octopus as being antisemitic, if it weren't for the uproar. It borders to a conspiracy theory.
winjer
Gold Member
Those who are in the know will recognize it.
It can be a signal to other antisimites. And a way to insult Jews without doing it openly. So they have plausible deniability.
We had protests for years saying "Free Palestine" which was always a dog whistle for the annihilation of Israel, most people didn't think it meant that. Most people prob still don't even when they chant from the river to the sea.
When people make signs, sit for a photo-op, and specifically place a doll there for the photo-op, than believe them.
Maybe it's time to stop thinking people didn't mean this or that when they tell you and show you exactly who they are. And again, she didn't say one word about the slaughter of Jews.
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Kataploom
Gold Member
Such meta-messages are not aimed at normal people but at organizations, mostly political ones so it doesn't matter if they're denying it to people, as long as the people they want the message to reach get it.
It's a pretty normal practice in politics.
You mean when their handlers make signs in that greta pictures, those are 4 disinterested pawns being used , I doubt those 4 even understand what they are doing
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To no great surprise, this clown has been outed as a pedo. Also is anti-Ukraine / anti-NATO.
Grifters everywhere
EDIT: Never realized how easy it is to post X embeds here. Great job
EviLore
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It looks like this thing (https://www.amazon.com/TeeTurtle-Reversible-Octopus-Mini-Plush/) which sells on amazon, with "emotional support plushie" reviews FWIW. And I think it's on the knee of the "Climate Justice NOW" chick, so maybe that dame is the real anti-semite in the photo. My opinion of Greta is about as low as possible, so it's meaningless to me who put the plushie there.
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Boozeroony
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She shows me a lot of ignorance with her sign and her silence regarding the Israeli victims of Hamas terrorists. She is on the wrong side here. So I agree with you.
She also shows me a stuffed, blue animal, which strikes me as odd. She could be signalling pure, hateful antisemitism there, but I am not so sure.
I don't know what to tell you. I don't know why people keep thinking people are stupid and infantilizing anything that doesn't make sense to them. They are all grown up, they are in their late teens, they are not dumb and they know what they are holding and what it means. Please stop making excuses for them.
Kinda pricey TBH, I'd rather we intercept, terminally, cruise missile LAUNCHERS (and their crews) as well as drone pilots (handlers? operators?). Surely we have some way of triangulating drone control signals, right? Or at least hack them with a "return to sender" command...then kablam!
But that's the thing, it strikes you as odd. Why is it there? It's not a coincidence, it was placed there for the photo-op.
Boozeroony
Gold Member
I have no idea under what circumstance this picture was taken. Was it meticulously orchestrated? Possibly. Was it just a informal, posed picture at some guy's/girl's place? Who knows.
It is all assumption.
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I don't think people are stupid. Those college protestor and pro Palestinians protestor are vile,
I'm being very specific to greta thunburg, she's a total pawn , mindless and obedient, selectively mute, translation only can read from a script,
Maybe the other 3
but regardless you're right they don't deserve an excuse and should be confronted and ideally face consequences for their complicity with hamas's evil
The expose from earlier got picked up. This is the lead author of the NY Times article on the Gaza hospital explosion.
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A New York Times reporter who came under fire last year for a praising Adolf Hitler in multiple resurfaced Facebook posts was rehired by the Gray Lady to cover the Israel-Palestine war.
Palestinian filmmaker Soliman Hijjy hailed the Nazi leader as recently as 2018 in a post on Facebook, when he shared a photo of himself captioned that he was “in a state of harmony as Hitler was during the Holocaust,” per a translation from Arabic by pro-Israel media watchdog site HonestReporting.
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A New York Times reporter who came under fire last year for a praising Adolf Hitler in multiple resurfaced Facebook posts was rehired by the Gray Lady to cover the Israel-Palestine war.
Palestinian filmmaker Soliman Hijjy hailed the Nazi leader as recently as 2018 in a post on Facebook, when he shared a photo of himself captioned that he was “in a state of harmony as Hitler was during the Holocaust,” per a translation from Arabic by pro-Israel media watchdog site HonestReporting.
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There's a reason Bari Weiss left that shit hole and now is successful. I dunno how people can continue reading this crap. I do play their "brain" games tho, is that wrong?
FUBARx89
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They're not autism toys afaik anyway. Just a reversible teddy kids can make angry or sad. Loads of kids have em. Like 8 quid or something.
Her asshat parents are probably part of it, gotta look like you support the "underdog" even when the "underdog" is a group of murderous scum to get invited to the right parties
Catphish
Member
Yeah, so, for what it's worth, the octopus plushy is a very popular thing. I have the exact same one that Greta has in that shot. My kid gave it to me, and it's sitting on my work desk. It's reversible. Angry/sad one way, happy the other. Mine's currently angry.
It's a child's toy. What even is this bullshit drama over it?
Shit's got me defending Greta Thunberg.
What a world.
It's a child's toy. What even is this bullshit drama over it?
Shit's got me defending Greta Thunberg.
What a world.
LordOfChaos
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hyperbertha
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What I don't get is where the hate is coming from toward the Jews. The muslims, I can understand, but the Indian American lawyer? Like what motivates her? I mean at this point it's quite clear all these people coming out of the woodwork wants israel gone. The dog whistles are unambiguous at this point, delivered with the kind of bravado you would have when you think victory is at hand and there won't be consequences.
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
Common sense would say that the world needs to see the ugliness committed by these terrorists and DO something about it. Yes, we need people signing petitions and exposure for the release of the hostages. Even given the nature of the enemy, it'd be incredibly ignorant to assume they're all dead. You'd probably want the whole world looking for you and given all the nationalities of the hostages too...this would be logical.
TL;DR just read it. If you were taken with brute force by terrorist, tortured and your whereabouts unknown in a foreign country; wouldn't you want your family to be notifying more than the neighborhood watch?
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
I think the issue is that these people making anti-Semitic remarks and going pro-Hamas were either:
A. Already that way and waiting for the opportunity to say it publicly
or
B. Find this a issue of political sides (left or right) and feel support Israel will go against a personal or political party they're idolizing
This is why I keep politics out of my life and try to be very affirmative when asked questions about right or wrong. Humanity needs to simply discern fundamentals which even children can understand like, "whoa, that's evil."
near
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Progress.
LordOfChaos
Member
Hmmnn
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China stationed up to 6 warships in Middle East over the past week: reports
The arrival of a replacement escort group in the Gulf region meant two advanced 052D destroyers have been stationed there at a time of heightened tensions.
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Billbofet
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I get that it's an extremely accessible plush toy, but don't you find it odd even one bit that it is featured in the picture/Tweet?
Like, they took the time to stage this photo, made signs, probably disheveled themselves on purpose, and then include the plush in the shot?!?
That's where it's odd to me. You have this same plush, but how many photos do you have of yourself with it featured in the background?
Seems random on purpose, but I'm probably overthinking this bullshit too
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Videos of disheveled ass clowns ripping down missing persons posters really makes my blood boil. Imagine someone doing that after 9/11. There would have only been disdain for those people and there would be no disagreement on that. The fact that this is even a debate shows how corrupted the minds of people are with nonsense.
Also saw Penn faculty released a statement defending staffers' speech trashing Israel and defending Hamas, citing they're a university of "free speech and exchange of ideas." That's rich. In academia today you're free to trash the Jews, but god forbid faculty releases a statement on why they're anti-equity, they'd be fired within the fortnight, or at the very least suspended pending an "investigation." Academia is so broken.
Also saw Penn faculty released a statement defending staffers' speech trashing Israel and defending Hamas, citing they're a university of "free speech and exchange of ideas." That's rich. In academia today you're free to trash the Jews, but god forbid faculty releases a statement on why they're anti-equity, they'd be fired within the fortnight, or at the very least suspended pending an "investigation." Academia is so broken.
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kittoo
Cretinously credulous
Are you sure she is indian (not that there aren't a lot of idiot indian leftists)? Choudhary is a pretty common surname in Pakistani Punjab too. A lot of Hindus who were converted to Islam in that area kept their original surnames.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
No one wants to state plainly that one big reason that the US should keep supporting Israel here is that if they are left to fend for themselves and get attack by other nations they'll use their nukes, they have no qualms about that to protect their territory.
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
Yes- The Samson option.
LordOfChaos
Member
I can't follow this back to the original context, I don't know who this is, but yeah most Indians are among the most staunchly Israel-supporting country outside of the US as they're quite familiar with being plagued by terrorism from a neighbour since inception. Israelis are also the country with the highest favorable impression of India. It's a weird mutual love boner thing. Choudhary is indeed sometimes a surname kept from families that were forcefully converted to Islam either in Mughal times or at partition if they were stuck in Pakistan, where you know there's not a lot of Hindus left. Or if not, there are always those trying to be so cool and uber woke to the point of self destruction, all as Kitoo said.
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those women have experienced something horrific, they're faces read like an open book, no way in hell they were treated humanely by Hamas,
regardless, but there is solace in every hostage saved no matter what,
and their brain-dead enemies would be happy to provoke them, the fact that Hamas is this aggressive with US support makes me pause at how vile Israel's enemies would be without out it.
If Mia Kahlifa, an ethnically Maronite Lebanese porn star can be vile enough to support Hamas, there are no limits to how wide a range of people can be useful idiots.
LordOfChaos
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ReBurn
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Puts so much of their reporting on the topic into perspective.
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