Batiman
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Are you saying there is no oppression on the Palestinian people by The Israelis? Historically and currently?
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Hamas terrorists infiltrated Israel. 1400+ killed, 2400+ wounded, 240+ abducted. Israel declares war
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LordOfChaos
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They were only nearly-headless
ManaByte
Member
You can prove they ever had heads!
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
*Shows pictures*
Dumbass: Yes but can you prove to me that those were taken as part of the latest attack?
*Points to timestamp*
Dumbass: Okay but can you confirm that the babies are actually Israeli babies and those are actual Hamas soldiers?
*Confirms all of the requested information*
Dumbass: Regardless of that it doesn't give Israel the right to do what they are doing. So Israel is still in the wrong here because I don't like them.
That's how that would go.
ThisIsMyDog
Member
Egypt will not accept refugees completely brainwashed by Islamist extremists. That would create too many internal threats for them. On top of that, Hamas has strong ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization that today's Egyptian government overthrew in 2013, it's too much of a risk for them.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
So no 9 yr olds? Half the population is 14 and under... This is tantamount to genocide by condemning the children to destruction until the ground offensive
DeepEnigma
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Are you trying to derail and dismiss the atrocities by terrorist demons and their supporters?
ThisIsMyDog
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ManaByte
Member
If you’re seriously trying to justify terrorism I’d advise you to go play in a wood chipper.
DeafTourette
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True but I want to be hopeful going forward ... Including the safety of Israeli hostages and the safety of Palestinian children.
ThisIsMyDog
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Sweet denial of reality, the hostages won't live much longer because they are worth less to Israel than the eventual dissolution of Hamas with whom they will not negotiate. All this war will bring death, suffering and solve nothing, and the conflict will continue until the next eruption.
Israel, of course, wants to continue to exist, and will support its settlers on the West Bank and will continue blockade of Gaza Strip which has plunged completely into extremism.
The Palestinians, on the other hand, want ALL of PALESTINE for themselves and the Jews either deported or killed, and those who would like to negotiate with Israel have nothing left to negotiate about because Palestine as a normal country can no longer function because of before mentioned Jewish settlers encircling Palestinian cities on the west bank
There is no peaceful option here, only further conflict.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I randomly checked the banlist.EviLore wants all the smoke. And rightfully so!
There's plenty opportunity to criticize the politicians of Israel BUT this isn't the time ... ... Right now is about what happened to innocent israelis AND the offensive taking place against Hamas who have further trapped the people of Gaza. You can want safety for innocent Palestinians AND the Israeli civvies who didn't do ANYTHING to deserve what happened to them this past weekend. It's NOT or .. it's AND
Thirty7ven
Banned
I know this is a really hot topic but that’s not what he said. There’s what it sounds and then there’s what he said.
Again not disputing the veracity of what was reported.
It’s fair to question, and specially those of us who have been around for awhile and know how easy it is to get shit wrong. And it spreads like wild fire too. We’ve seen it over and over.
Edit: having troubling embedding tweet
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Faust
Perpetually Tired
Did you quote the wrong person?
laynelane
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People like this are so painfully transparent. Not only on where they stand, but also on what they're attempting to do. There really needs to be some accountability for people like this "journalist" and others like him.
Batiman
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Ok nice spin. You know you jumped in on me responding to a post right? This comes off as an ERA cancel strategy.
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Batiman
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I was responding to a post. No justification for this at all.
Topher
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What do you mean that's not what he said? Here it is from your linked tweet....
"It matters that Americans see what is happening. I have doing this a long time – I never thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children"
If he is backtracking on actually seeing those pictures then he is more senile than I thought, but he did say that.
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Thirty7ven
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See that’s where it is right, they say the devil is in the details. Don’t wanna hear none of the senile stuff. He said what he said. He didn’t say “and”. In fact if somebody asks him later, whenever that happens, I bet his response will be “that’s what was being reported”.
Many things can be true at the same time. Hamas are vile terrorists who have committed a barbaric crime against humanity, and Mr Joe is being a politician making you think he just saw pictures of terrorists beheading children. Which isn’t even what was originally reported, there was no report of any kind of footage showing the act.
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FullMetalx117
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To dispel the notion that Palestinians are all bad and only want to destroy Israel:
About 20% of Israel’s current population, within it’s own recognized borders with citizenship, are self proclaimed Palestinians. And they are all fine. Muslims, Christians, Jews - for the most part are living just fine with each other. The few Palestinian people who I know here (doctors btw, they’re normal people) have family members living in Jurusalem and they’re thankfully okay in this current war. They don’t want war, they just wanna live a normal life. Their only complaint is that they get extra security checks for everything (which pious religious women find humiliating when bodies are touched everywhere) and indeed I’d be upset too if I was a tax contributing citizen.
About 20% of Israel’s current population, within it’s own recognized borders with citizenship, are self proclaimed Palestinians. And they are all fine. Muslims, Christians, Jews - for the most part are living just fine with each other. The few Palestinian people who I know here (doctors btw, they’re normal people) have family members living in Jurusalem and they’re thankfully okay in this current war. They don’t want war, they just wanna live a normal life. Their only complaint is that they get extra security checks for everything (which pious religious women find humiliating when bodies are touched everywhere) and indeed I’d be upset too if I was a tax contributing citizen.
laynelane
Member
I understand what you're getting at, but the wording that he's (Biden) seen and confirmed pictures of those atrocious acts is at odds with what this reporter is saying in the tweet you linked.
DeepEnigma
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Nice spin? Not even a post later and you're introspection is lost.
Say what you really want to say.
HoodWinked
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Biden has always been fairly flippant with details, just last month he was saying he was at ground zero 9/11 the day after which was easily verified false.
Biden didn't actually see photos.
www.rollingstone.com
Biden didn't actually see photos.
Israel-Hamas Conflict: Biden Claims Photos of 'Terrorists Beheading Children,' White House Clarifies
President Joe Biden claimed photos of "terrorists beheading children" but the White House later said the reports were not confirmed independently.
www.rollingstone.com
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Topher
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The senile angle is valid. Biden sounded extremely shaken up at the time he made those comments. No obviously he didn't see photos of the beheading as they took place. I think most would understand that's not what he meant. But there is quite a leap from what he said to never having actually seen any photos at all.
ThisIsMyDog
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The end of politicians' careers should be tied to retirement age.Biden has always been fairly flippant with details, just last month he was saying he was at ground zero 9/11 the day after which was easily verified false.
Biden didn't actually see photos.
Israel-Hamas Conflict: Biden Claims Photos of 'Terrorists Beheading Children,' White House Clarifies
President Joe Biden claimed photos of "terrorists beheading children" but the White House later said the reports were not confirmed independently.
We’ve seen more than sufficient evidence of the atrocities gleefully published by Hamas themselves, and of the mass murder of civilians. There’s no good reason at all to cast doubt on every line item about the specific variety of brutal rape, murder, and mutilation committed.
Kittehkraken
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For argument sake, lets take the beheading of babies away. And the rape.
What are we left with? Oh right, the slaughtering of hundreds of men, women and children. Also known as genocide. Real genocide, not the one people keep trying to put on Israel.
It changes nothing with what the IDF needs to do.
What are we left with? Oh right, the slaughtering of hundreds of men, women and children. Also known as genocide. Real genocide, not the one people keep trying to put on Israel.
It changes nothing with what the IDF needs to do.
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Happosai
Hold onto your panties
We have seen plenty of evidence. But apologists are looking for a way to say 'it wasn't that bad' but war is bad rhetoric.
FullMetalx117
Member
Also for arguments sake:
In war, truth is the first casualty. It's a military maxim attributed to Aeschylus, the father of Greek tragedy
How many of you believe this?
This is the logic for the questioning, flawed or not.
In war, truth is the first casualty. It's a military maxim attributed to Aeschylus, the father of Greek tragedy
How many of you believe this?
This is the logic for the questioning, flawed or not.
Batiman
Banned
Using the same tactics you love to cry about all day.
I have nothing I “really want to say”.
That was the dumbest part (of many) in JW3. The idea that dinos "were running wild and multiplying" in the 'wilds' of America is just ludicrous, especially after they establish Dino poaching is worth $$$. Good grief, Americans hunted the TRILLION strong carrier pigdeon into extinction FOR FUN. What would we do to a brontosaurous????
Mihos
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It is stuck in negotiations because none of them can define what a woman is
DeepEnigma
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Tactics like "Israel too?"
Palestine has far more ideological rooted evils that date back to the days of being a consult with Hitler, that has been taught each and every day for almost a century now. Combined with their own internal oppressors between two warring Muslim tribes all in which goes far beyond the "Israel too" obfuscation and downplaying.
They are oppressing themselves with Hamas control in current year. Making them human shields.
There's a reason that several Muslim counties don't even want to bother dealing with trying to vet and take them in. Outright openly refusing to. They must secretly be oppressive Jews too.
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SlicedBread3
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I suspect it's also because they want to be able to use it to plant seeds of doubt about the other stuff.
"How do you know they raped those women, the media said they beheaded babies but they didn't, so why do you believe them about the rapes?" Etc.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Maybe you’re projecting here, as you seem to believe the killing of even more innocents and an even larger scale genocide to be the appropriate response. Bad but not as bad, war is bad though just how it is rethoric.
See you don’t have to actually be pro any of this killing of children and innocents. Nobody is forcing you to choose which innocents deserve to die.
I wish it was just propaganda. Unfortunately I've found a telegram for first responders.
The people on the scene, not some propaganda group. People on the scene collecting evidence. There is burned out baby, shot up and burned cars everywhere. Baby seats filled with blood, strawlers with missing babies.
Lot of dead woman in bathrooms/bedrooms, young and elderly.
Not even the pets were unarmed.
It was a suicide mission to cause as many astrocities as possible. The only good news is, those terrorists are dead.
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
This is a time in which decisive action by Israel against war crimes is necessary. Lives will be lost, but I'm not going to 'what if peace?' tip toe around the fact that Hamas, Hezbollah and anything/anyone one associated sought for this.
LordOfChaos
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Barbarism celebrated on Toronto streets
On Saturday, over 1,000 Israeli Jews were executed at point-blank range, shot, stabbed, or throats slit. Their slaughter is being celebrated.
www.thestar.com
Thirty7ven
Banned
So war crimes for war crimes.
I’m just calling it what it is, there’s no sugar coating here. We have all seen what those Hamas barbarians did and now we are seeing what a different type of barbarism looks like by IDF. Just because they are using bombs doesn’t make it clean, you can look at the footage yourself. It’s not just destroyed buildings and debris.
What I will not accept is you or anybody trying to tell me I can’t question, or that I gotta pick a good guy and a bad guy. This isn’t a children’s story and it’s not a fucking videogame either. Cause and consequence? Sure, I’ll do that. Action reaction whatever you wanna call it.
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Happosai
Hold onto your panties
What other war crimes are you referring to other than those of the Hamas? War was declared and that's justice on Israel's part.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Bombing civilian hospitals, cutting food supply (starvation) etc these are war crimes.
It’s happening as far as I understand unless none of these things are happening?
I don’t know how you’re defining war crimes, but war in the modern era has rules. It sounds kind of funny but it’s true. You seem to think otherwise, and that whatever happens now is justice.
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FullMetalx117
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There will be war crimes, by UN definition at least (acknowledge definitions can change). Commission has been collecting evidence starting Oct 7th. Don't want to speak for the report, it'll eventually come out. But observations so far, using the UN definitions, there will plenty of war crimes to go around for multiple parties.
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Happosai
Hold onto your panties
If a undesignated country were living within U.S. borders, massacred maliciously as an act of war, then by all means the U.S. would have all means of justification for defense. But to you, that'd make Americans war criminals too because Heaven forbid we fight back.
So, where's this great war crime committed by Israel again?
DeepEnigma
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Blame Hamas. They're committing these crimes by making civilians shields and establishing military outposts in them.
How convenient and privileged they have it where they can commit genocide, launch rockets from civilian locations and hide behind the criticisms towards Israel and have a global appeal to virtue and emotion "immunity shield."
I'm sure they won't say "elsewhere" when wagging fingers this time.
Not war crimes. Civilians are being given notice to evacuate and are not being targeted specifically.
Re: “starvation,” states cannot by international law be compelled to provide resources to enemy states in wartime.
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