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HBO's House Of The Dragon (no book spoilers)

Blame the new prudes in Hollywood. You'd think they would at least give her cover-up pasties and then CGI in some nipples for you though. Probably cost less than the "intimacy coordinator". How do I get that gig?
This doesn't add up. The brothel scenes in multiple episodes would have been cut if this were the case. It's more likely the case that the actress said no or that she demanded way more money for showing full nudity and they declined.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I don't understand why they went through with the wedding despite the brutal murder. The blood stain is still there ffs. Didn't Viserys say the wedding will happen after 7 days of tournament and feasting???
He rushed to "seal the deal" after the blood dripped from his nose (probably thought he was going to die soon), because he knew the houses were already plotting, and they could possibly have had an excuse to motivate. Needed the combined armies/dragons.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
This doesn't add up. The brothel scenes in multiple episodes would have been cut if this were the case. It's more likely the case that the actress said no or that she demanded way more money for showing full nudity and they declined.
Thats my point. There is no need for an actor to actually be nude, they can wear a cover up and get a cg overlay or prosthetic (or use a body double, the classic option). So going forward a "no nudity" clause shouldn't prevent CHARACTER nudity as it is easy to work around if the producers aren't prudes.

In this era of swinging dicks I 'spect most are prosthetics.
 

Dr.Guru of Peru

played the long game
It would be a shitty move deep faking a nude scene without an actors consent.

Nothing you’re saying makes sense. If Hollywood is full of prudes, then why are in an era of swinging dicks? There’s also never been more full frontal nudity on TV than there is now.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
It would be a shitty move deep faking a nude scene without an actors consent.

Nothing you’re saying makes sense. If Hollywood is full of prudes, then why are in an era of swinging dicks? There’s also never been more full frontal nudity on TV than there is now.
Producers are not a monolithic block, there is room for both.

Actors have a variety of reasons for a "no nudity" clause, but body doubles, prosthetics, and CG eliminate a lot of them. A religious reason, like Jim Caziviel, is probably a rarity. Naturally consent is required. Heck, for one film Olivia Wilde got to pick out her cg nipples.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
It's good nre


Impressive that its audience has grown episode to episode. That’s pretty rare

It's good news. Positive word of mouth and everyone now making it mandatory Sunday night viewing instead of later in the week. Let's crash the app!! :p
 
Thats my point. There is no need for an actor to actually be nude, they can wear a cover up and get a cg overlay or prosthetic (or use a body double, the classic option). So going forward a "no nudity" clause shouldn't prevent CHARACTER nudity as it is easy to work around if the producers aren't prudes.

In this era of swinging dicks I 'spect most are prosthetics.
It's more about the perception. Some people still think to this day that the Cersei 'shame' scene was actually her and not a body double. We don't know who's terms it was, but if they felt that people were going to perceive it as Rae's actress' nude body then it makes sense to do this if there was a disagreement about it.

Adding onto that, a woman directed the episode itself and it can be understood that women directors have been known to make sexual content more about the sensual, playful, teasing, and secretive nature of it, instead of just a full frontal blast of nudity and sex that male directors tend to do. It's very, very apparent in the difference in how the brothel scenes were handled in each. Even though some of you here are disappointed that her body wasn't shown, I think that how it all was presented was the right call.
 

Lady Jane

Banned
Milly Alcock did phenomenal in the brothel scene. The way she seductively looked around and built up to Dameon's kiss was stellar in terms of sexual energy. And the way she talked to Dameon right before the brawl in the wedding was on point too. She knows how to set the mood.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
It's more about the perception. Some people still think to this day that the Cersei 'shame' scene was actually her and not a body double. We don't know who's terms it was, but if they felt that people were going to perceive it as Rae's actress' nude body then it makes sense to do this if there was a disagreement about it.

Adding onto that, a woman directed the episode itself and it can be understood that women directors have been known to make sexual content more about the sensual, playful, teasing, and secretive nature of it, instead of just a full frontal blast of nudity and sex that male directors tend to do. It's very, very apparent in the difference in how the brothel scenes were handled in each. Even though some of you here are disappointed that her body wasn't shown, I think that how it all was presented was the right call.
So women directors can only do PG-13 sex scenes, that's what you are saying?

Anyway, it's done. Feels very tame by traditional HBO and GoT standards though, especially considering Alcock is a full grown woman from the start, it's not like she grew up on the show. The Alicent actress was a minor at the start of filming so her scenes make sense though they could have done things differently there as well. It's been a steady trend I've noticed across many shows (Euphoria being the one major stand out though it is almost all male nudity on that show in the eps I've seen).
 

Elysion

Banned
Being halfway through the first season, I have to say that right now I don’t really care that much about any of these characters. There simply isn’t anyone I’m really rooting for, nor is there anyone I hate. If I compare it to GoT, by the middle of the first season I was already rooting for Ned, Daenerys and Tyrion, while I hated (in a good way) Cersei, Jaime and Joffrey. But I don’t really have any strong feelings for the characters in HotD so far. Unfortunately I fear the upcoming time jumps and change of actors won’t be helpful in this regard.

Adding onto that, a woman directed the episode itself and it can be understood that women directors have been known to make sexual content more about the sensual, playful, teasing, and secretive nature of it, instead of just a full frontal blast of nudity and sex that male directors tend to do.

Eh, there‘s pornography done by women (which is usually much more aesthetically pleasing than standard porn), so I don’t think that’s the problem. The problem is that Rhaenyra’s scene with Cole was extremely tame, especially by GoT standards. The way her body was very carefully hidden behind objects and clever camera angles so that not even the tiniest sliver of a nipple was shown was very obvious. Forget full frontal nudity, they didn’t even show her nude from the back! It looked like one of these super safe sex scenes you’d see on regular TV. It felt almost a bit out of place, especially compared to scenes in previous episodes. Which is a shame, because the build-up to the scene was pretty good, very sensual, but the scene’s climax (heh) elicited a ‘that’s it?’ from me.
 
So women directors can only do PG-13 sex scenes, that's what you are saying?
No, I'm saying they focus less on full frontal body parts and more on the overall mood of the scene, as that usually matters more to women. A great example of this is 50 Shades of Grey. I was taken on a date to see 50 Shades of Grey, with an audience that I could easily see was over 90% women when walking in, and they were way more engaged and reactive about the buildup moments and sensual nature of the movie than how the nudity was presented. Just because it focused more on the passion doesn't mean it wasn't an R rated movie.

Anyway, it's done. Feels very tame by traditional HBO and GoT standards though, especially considering Alcock is a full grown woman from the start, it's not like she grew up on the show. The Alicent actress was a minor at the start of filming so her scenes make sense though they could have done things differently there as well.
This is why I didn't bring up Arya. I didn't want to approach the conversation from that angle because it isn't the right argument to present.

It's been a steady trend I've noticed across many shows (Euphoria being the one major stand out though it is almost all male nudity on that show in the eps I've seen).
Have to somewhat disagree about Euphoria too. If your complaint is that Zendaya didn't go nude, then yes I'll agree in that regard. Her popularity was skyrocketing by the time that show premiered so it was too late. For the other actresses though? There are literal websites and subreddits about their nude scenes from Euphoria. I'd argue that one of them, Sydney Sweeney, blew up in popularity because of how ridiculously good she looked being nude in that show.
 
This show isn't even close to the heights of GoT's best seasons, but compared to Rings of Power, it feels like a goddamn masterpiece. HBO should thank Amazon for bungling LOTR so badly.


Impressive that its audience has grown episode to episode. That’s pretty rare

Every week more and more Rings of Power watchers are jumping ship to the better option for a 2022 fantasy TV series
 

BaneIsPain

Member
Happy for HotD, from a watchable first episode turned into a really good series so far. There are still minuscule issues that people are willing to forget if the show is good. Hear that, Amazon?
 

sol_bad

Member
Does anyone know if the time jumps will stop with episode 6-10? If the time jumps do stop and we have consistent actors for the next 4 seasons or whatever, these first 5 episodes feel like wasted time and could have been put in a 20 minute prologue to set things up. Not much happened in the first 5 hours in all honesty, easily summed up in 20 minutes.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
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AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
Does anyone know if the time jumps will stop with episode 6-10? If the time jumps do stop and we have consistent actors for the next 4 seasons or whatever, these first 5 episodes feel like wasted time and could have been put in a 20 minute prologue to set things up. Not much happened in the first 5 hours in all honesty, easily summed up in 20 minutes.
If you are desperate for a time jump might I suggest game of thrones season 1.
 

sol_bad

Member
If you are desperate for a time jump might I suggest game of thrones season 1.

I'm not desperate for a time jump, it's one of the issues I've had with the series. The show has had great characterisation but the time jumps have sacrificed the character relationships in my mind.
That's why I'm asking if the time jumps will stop from episode 6 onwards.
 

AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
I'm not desperate for a time jump, it's one of the issues I've had with the series. The show has had great characterisation but the time jumps have sacrificed the character relationships in my mind.
That's why I'm asking if the time jumps will stop from episode 6 onwards.
I do not think there are more leaps after this one. The drama begins when the king dies.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
No, I'm saying they focus less on full frontal body parts and more on the overall mood of the scene, as that usually matters more to women. A great example of this is 50 Shades of Grey. I was taken on a date to see 50 Shades of Grey, with an audience that I could easily see was over 90% women when walking in, and they were way more engaged and reactive about the buildup moments and sensual nature of the movie than how the nudity was presented. Just because it focused more on the passion doesn't mean it wasn't an R rated movie.


This is why I didn't bring up Arya. I didn't want to approach the conversation from that angle because it isn't the right argument to present.


Have to somewhat disagree about Euphoria too. If your complaint is that Zendaya didn't go nude, then yes I'll agree in that regard. Her popularity was skyrocketing by the time that show premiered so it was too late. For the other actresses though? There are literal websites and subreddits about their nude scenes from Euphoria. I'd argue that one of them, Sydney Sweeney, blew up in popularity because of how ridiculously good she looked being nude in that show.
That Sydney chick is pretty spectacular but she can't carry the whole show to balance out the obscene amount of flappy wang. She has like 2 decent scenes maybe? I've not seen it all.

For the record Spartacus is the gold standard for what I want in an epic adult fantasy.
 

Elysion

Banned
That's why I'm asking if the time jumps will stop from episode 6 onwards.

There is another time jump after that. Between episodes 5 and 6 is the biggest one (at least a decade), but there’s another multi-year time jump between episodes 7 and 8. Which makes me wonder why they made Viserys look like he’s dying already, considering he’s gonna live for another decade at least.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
There is another time jump after that. Between episodes 5 and 6 is the biggest one (at least a decade), but there’s another multi-year time jump between episodes 7 and 8. Which makes me wonder why they made Viserys look like he’s dying already, considering he’s gonna live for another decade at least.
My thoughts are
A. to explain why he felt pressure to name Rhaenyra his heir "so early".
B. Make him physically weak so he doesn't have to be so emotionally weak, and it seperates his "party and drink all the time till yer fat"book persona from Robert in Got.
C. Viewer suspense that he might die "at any time".

I'm curious what this disease even is, if it has a real world counterpart. There are a number of Targaryens who deliver up a "twisted malformed" stillborn babies so I wonder if it is supposed to represent negative effects of Targaryen inbreeding, as physically they are all supposed to look almost otherworldly beautiful. Maybe he has a congenital immunodeficiency or something.
 
Milly Alcock did phenomenal in the brothel scene. The way she seductively looked around and built up to Dameon's kiss was stellar in terms of sexual energy. And the way she talked to Dameon right before the brawl in the wedding was on point too. She knows how to set the mood.

Agreed. Incest has never felt so appealing as those two make it :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
That was an odd scene. Was he just gonna leave her there, maybe to die, or recover and drive him out again? Was she somehow already mortally wounded?
 

DKehoe

Gold Member
That was an odd scene. Was he just gonna leave her there, maybe to die, or recover and drive him out again? Was she somehow already mortally wounded?
I took it to be that her neck and or spine had been broken, leaving her paralysed. He steps on her wrist and she doesn't really react to it which suggested she had lost feeling there. So he was just planning on leaving her to die and it's only when she makes that comment that he decided to directly finish her off.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
I took it to be that her neck and or spine had been broken, leaving her paralysed. He steps on her wrist and she doesn't really react to it which suggested she had lost feeling there. So he was just planning on leaving her to die and it's only when she makes that comment that he decided to directly finish her off.
But if she lived long enough to tell the tale to ANYONE in that valley Daemon would have been executed. Seemed an odd thing to do is all.

That girl is still far too cute.
 

DKehoe

Gold Member
But if she lived long enough to tell the tale to ANYONE in that valley Daemon would have been executed. Seemed an odd thing to do is all.

That girl is still far too cute.
Sure, but I'm guessing he was just going off of the idea where they were was remote enough that it wouldn't happen. Not that I'm saying it was totally logical, just that he seemed content to leave her to die.

And yeh, for how she's talked about she shouldn't have been as attractive as she was.
 
That was an odd scene. Was he just gonna leave her there, maybe to die, or recover and drive him out again? Was she somehow already mortally wounded?
It's left ambiguous on purpose. Regardless of how you want to interpret it one thing is clear - Daemon thinks he is untouchable and can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. He has repeatedly demonstrated his disregard for consequences of his actions.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I was so ready to hate this series because of how much I hated what D&D did with GoT.

Turns out it's pretty damn good (so far at least).
I’m right there with you. Pleasantly surprised and really enjoying it. The HDR is top notch as well visually.

Wish we got more of Milly Alcock, because just when you start to adore her character, poof, she’s gone.

But I guess that’s classic GoTs fashion, lol.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I'm curious, when the series is all over, if we will still think much of Alcocks Rhaenyra. Could her role have been doled out in flashbacks rather than a straight 5 episodes? I'm sure the writers debated this extensively.

She is one to watch, for sure. Same with the Alicent actress, apparently she has been "young Lara Croft", "young Wonder Woman", and now "young Alicent Hightower". Maybe she will finally get to be a mature character now :p
 
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I'm curious, when the series is all over, if we will still think much of Alcocks Rhaenyra. Could her role have been doled out in flashbacks rather than a straight 5 episodes? I'm sure the writers debated this extensively.

She is one to watch, for sure. Same with the Alicent actress, apparently she has been "young Lara Croft", "young Wonder Woman", and now "young Alicent Hightower". Maybe she will finally get to be a mature character now :p
Young Alicent is cute as hell, and seems to be a great actress. Hope she goes in to bigger and better things
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Now the fifth episode was a banger, set up so many things.

How did I not see this coming knowing how Martin writes every damn wedding episode.
I kinda felt something was coming with Criston, but did not expect him to be the center of it so soon.
 

DKehoe

Gold Member
It’s because he’s attracted to his niece.
But it seems they’ve been married for a while and he’s just never been interested in her. And he’s into other women other than Rhaenyra. I think some shows just default to casting attractive people. Maybe since Daemon is meant to be a dick they didn’t want us to think “guess he has a point” if we finally see his wife and she’s not good looking.
 
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BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
But it seems they’ve been married for a while and he’s just never been interested in her. And he’s into other women other than Rhaenyra. I think some shows just default to casting attractive people. Maybe since Daemon is meant to be a dick they didn’t want us to think “guess he has a point” if we finally see his wife and she’s not good looking.

I read it as Daemon's ambitions for the throne drive him completely, while also being an awful narcissist. He finds power attractive, and anyone who won't provide him with more is less than nothing in his eyes. Hence why he views his obviously pretty wife as uglier than sheep.

From that perspective it makes sense why he hates her. If he actually settled in the Vale he knows he would lead a life of doing nothing but sitting around protecting the Vale. That's pretty much all the Vale does: serve as a kind of final fortress for the sitting king, able to silo themselves off from the rest of the kingdoms in times of strife.

His actions also give resonance as to why the Vale are so untrusting of the Targs in the later GoT show.
 
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mortal

Banned
I was so ready to hate this series because of how much I hated what D&D did with GoT.

Turns out it's pretty damn good (so far at least).
Same haha. I'm surprised that I find myself following along week to week. I would usually wait until a season or series warps up and binge it.
 
Same haha. I'm surprised that I find myself following along week to week. I would usually wait until a season or series warps up and binge it.
I was going to wait, but then I was so disturbed by Rings of Power being so bad that I gave HotD a shot.

The negative side effect is that I'm now back at being bothered by the fact that the last ASoIaF has released more than 10 years ago. Also, as If one unfinished series was not enough GRRM went and did the same thing with Dunk and Egg.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
From that perspective it makes sense why he hates her. If he actually settled in the Vale he knows he would lead a life of doing nothing but sitting around protecting the Vale. That's pretty much all the Vale does: serve as a kind of final fortress for the sitting king, able to silo themselves off from the rest of the kingdoms in times of strife.
It's worth noting that Daemon is married to Lady Royce of RUNESTONE, which is a castle by the sea IN the Vale, not the Eyrie itself. The Vale is currently being run by Lady Jenye Arryn, something the show doesn't talk about much because it clearly undermines their "these men won't accept a woman ruler, hur dur" narrative.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Runestone#google_vignette
 
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