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Hearthstone |OT4| The warsong has ended, please patron other decks
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At least it's not Recycle tier of WTFness. Maybe in a year it'll be in the most popular deck. Unlikely, but I can't wait for that dream scenario highlight video. There's always a chance with an expansion with discard mechanics in the future as well, etc.
Druid got some strong cards already this exp, so I'm not bothered with one DOA, which is the likely scenario. Fun card.
Druid got some strong cards already this exp, so I'm not bothered with one DOA, which is the likely scenario. Fun card.
I can see the Trolden video now.
Play Nefarian against a Warlock. Get Hand of Jaraxxus.
Play Astral Communion for exact lethal.
It would have to be something like Acolyte or Loot Hoarder. Gadetzan wouldn't even work because you would draw the card first, then discard it.
Play Nefarian against a Warlock. Get Hand of Jaraxxus.
Play Astral Communion for exact lethal.
It would have to be something like Acolyte or Loot Hoarder. Gadetzan wouldn't even work because you would draw the card first, then discard it.
Yea, it's full mana crystals. If you have draw on the board you can use the new cards right away.
MetroidPrimeRib
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That's a super interesting card. I can imagine new players looking at it and going WTF OP and it might be but who knows.
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Professor Lich
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Well one thing is for sure, it's no Silent Knight or Flame Lance. I feel a little bit bad for Trump and Amaz.
Edit: I feel like this could be decent for Inspire combos but other than Garrison Commander and somehow stealing a ColdDrake, you really can't do much with two triggers (probably).
Edit: I feel like this could be decent for Inspire combos but other than Garrison Commander and somehow stealing a ColdDrake, you really can't do much with two triggers (probably).
Ok there were some very interesting cards revealed for this set in the past couple of days...Kripp revealed a new card on his youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWstCow8shQ
Astral Communion Card
But this is BY FAR the most interesting card in the set thus far. Literally some Yugioh shit right here.
This is one of those cards that is either insanely broken or completely useless....
I LOVE IT!
I already envision an Alarm-o-bot deck filled with high cost taunts and legendaries like Ysera, Chromaggus, Boom, Ragnaros, Kelthuzad, 2 of these cards and Innervate and Alarm-o-bots. Mulligan for Astral Communion and Innervate and play it as soon as possible, then top-deck your way into all your big cards.
You want Loot Hoarders and Acolytes in this deck with Chromaggus.
You basically mulligan for Innervates/Acolytes/Loot Hoarders/Astral.
You drop down Loot Hoarders/Acolyte on their turn 2/turn 3, then on turn 4 you play Astral and you run your Loots/Acolytes into the enemy and then you get 2 cards after Astral Communion.
Then you top dick Aviana and Kelthuzad to win the game!
You basically mulligan for Innervates/Acolytes/Loot Hoarders/Astral.
You drop down Loot Hoarders/Acolyte on their turn 2/turn 3, then on turn 4 you play Astral and you run your Loots/Acolytes into the enemy and then you get 2 cards after Astral Communion.
Then you top dick Aviana and Kelthuzad to win the game!
The problem with Loot Hoarders and Acolyte is that you assume they survive at the time you play Astral but opponents will always kill them off efficiently which means you're losing cards unnecessarily from playing Astral. You instead want to have your draws happening after Astral is played. The only purpose of having draws prior to Astral is to get Astral itself.
Then there will be a meta shift to a non-AC "thanks for the extra draws" combo druid.
What? I'm not saying that opponents will try to give you extra draws from Acolyte, I'm saying they'll kill off Hoarder/Acolyte while giving you the minimum number of draws possible as anyone would do all the time. The point is that you play Acolyte turn 3, then they kill it and you get Ysera, turn 4 you play AC and that Ysera is lost. The only draw cards you would probably play in this deck is Ancient of Lore, Wrath and possibly Azure Drake to combo with Swipe/Wrath.
Might be a reason to finally run this hotness again.
In all honesty the card is beyond hot garbage IMO. It'd be a fun deck to run either way.
styl3s
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So i bought the 2 adventure pack things is there a good guide out there to help me through the normal bosses without having cards from the new expansion? I just have the original set (most cards not all). Once i play through these i plan on buying the 60 pack thing of the gnome expansion and maybe pre-ordering the new stuff. I hear talk it's coming out this month?
I was going to come back to the game when the new expansion (gnome) came out but wanted to wait for a little more variety and since there is another expansion coming out and i got some extra cash i figure it's a good time to get hooked on it again.
I was going to come back to the game when the new expansion (gnome) came out but wanted to wait for a little more variety and since there is another expansion coming out and i got some extra cash i figure it's a good time to get hooked on it again.
I still run it in ramp!
veloxStrix
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Astral Communion is a game-winning card. It's the kind of card that is so powerful that it is going to see play. Maybe not this expansion, but eventually someone will find a way to break it.
Top tier trash in Arena, potential archetype foundation in Constructed.
The ideal deck is a something with on-board draw such as Acolyte and Loot Hoarders that has alternate win cons. The trick being that opponents are stuck in a spot where they don't want you to draw into alternate wins, but want to try to get your draw off the board before you Commune. The issue is that the strong alternate win con doesn't really exist for Druid outside of Force/Roar at this moment, and the current variations of that deck are bound to be stronger at this moment.
Top tier trash in Arena, potential archetype foundation in Constructed.
The ideal deck is a something with on-board draw such as Acolyte and Loot Hoarders that has alternate win cons. The trick being that opponents are stuck in a spot where they don't want you to draw into alternate wins, but want to try to get your draw off the board before you Commune. The issue is that the strong alternate win con doesn't really exist for Druid outside of Force/Roar at this moment, and the current variations of that deck are bound to be stronger at this moment.
I don't know why people keep saying Loot Hoarder and Acolyte are good together with this... they're the most awful cards to have in that kind of deck. Remember that after you play Astral you will be top-decking a card every turn and can generally only play 1 card a turn. Do you really want to top deck a Loot Hoarder or Acolyte when you have 10 mana and have that be your only play?
WesternHeretic
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Ah okay I'll try that out. I keep running out of cards. Eventually the totem adds up even though I try to take them out.
Kotetsu534
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Definitely see a lot of Ramp Druids running AC - if they get it in their hand with Innervate they have a very high chance of running away with the game (turn 2 they get 10 mana crystals, then they need to either top deck a massive drop or card draw, both of which they'll stuff their decks with).
Professor Lich
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I think it's a good contender for a Miracle Druid. Auctioneer plus Communion would be sweet in a mostly spell deck. Hell, think of the combo you could get if you drew into another Communion you could use.
Though I'm more excited for Malygos Druid with Living Roots;
Malygos > Moonfire > Moonfire > Living Roots for 19 damage! 26 if you can discount one Living Roots.
Though I'm more excited for Malygos Druid with Living Roots;
Malygos > Moonfire > Moonfire > Living Roots for 19 damage! 26 if you can discount one Living Roots.
Professor Lich
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What are you taking about? Priests already got their epic card!
Take out the totems if there's something you want to protect in case they have flametongue, like a juggler, but otherwise you can just ignore them since mech doesn't run defender of argus. If it does look like midrange instead of mech its probably worth taking out the totems every turn before they get taunted and buffed.
Here's my early deck concept for Astral Communion. Wild Growths, Wrath, Swipe and Belcher are there to hedge against early pressure and Wild Growth can be used for card cycle post-AC. For taunts hey it turns out Master Jouster is really really good in this type of deck since nearly all your minions are high cost. The top-end legendaries can be swapped around for more taunts or other legendaries, I'm iffy on Aviana because it makes all your other minions cost 1 but with your ideal gameplan you're only playing 1 or 2 cards at most every turn.
edit: removed Aviana, added Alexstraza for extra heal on top of Tree of Life
http://www.hearthpwn.com/deckbuilde...82:1;12270:1;14448:1;14451:1;22317:2;22334:2;
edit: removed Aviana, added Alexstraza for extra heal on top of Tree of Life
http://www.hearthpwn.com/deckbuilde...82:1;12270:1;14448:1;14451:1;22317:2;22334:2;
Loot Horder / Acolyte in play before AC is just the dream situation. Not saying it'd be consistent.
I made a deck for it and it doesn't include those cards. The idea is to mulligan for Wild Growth, Innervate, Aspirant, AC. You can use the temp crystals from Aspirant to play AC and then when they die you won't care. Also a few Inspide cards and healing. Raw Test Deck
Going to need a lot of tests for the various fatties to include. Foe-Reaper could be great.
I made a deck for it and it doesn't include those cards. The idea is to mulligan for Wild Growth, Innervate, Aspirant, AC. You can use the temp crystals from Aspirant to play AC and then when they die you won't care. Also a few Inspide cards and healing. Raw Test Deck
Going to need a lot of tests for the various fatties to include. Foe-Reaper could be great.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Kripp revealed a new card on his youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWstCow8shQ
Astral Communion Card
In order to play that, you'd have to have some card draw on the board already and topdick pretty nicely or your ass is done. We're pretty far away from that card working in a deck. Meta is too aggressive right now.
Hearthstone spell cards by comparison to YGO are not very extreme due to the nature of the game.
Like YGO cards because they don't have a mana cost they usually need some heavy cost/drawback for a really powerful effect (talking about non banned cards here of course). Many YGO cards utilize heavy discard effects as well because they can better utilize their graveyards.
There are some spell cards with Yugioh that also take a lot of your life points for a powerful effect. I think that might be a card that could get printed in Hearthstone as well (pay 15 health for a powerful spell effect).
Super Nothing
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Astral Communion is perfect for a Ramp/Inspire deck since you'll be top dicking and always have extra mana to use hero power.
Edit: beaten by seconds.
Edit: beaten by seconds.
The more I think about Astral Communion the more I think it's inconsistent as hell. Discarding your entire hand is such a huge drawback that you're basically forced to play a whole bunch of card draw in order to try and recover your hand. You'd have to play less than ideal cards like Novice Engineer, Gnomish Inventor, Jeeves, and Nourish. Then what happens when you have a whole bunch of card draw but you don't grab it within the first few turns of the game? Half the time you won't draw it until super late in the game and at that point it's basically a dead card.
So you're basically just making a Ramp Druid deck worse because you might draw this within your first couple of turns. Not great. People are going to try and build decks around it and will fail miserably.
So you're basically just making a Ramp Druid deck worse because you might draw this within your first couple of turns. Not great. People are going to try and build decks around it and will fail miserably.
It's cool and all, but I mean, a truly EPIC card. One that radically changes how you play, and could give rise to whole new deck types. Communion is on that level
Professor Lich
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haha I know, just making some fun. I hope they get something crazy for their legendary or something else. I think Sacred Champion is going do a bit of work though.
I hate to tell you this, but this is already true.
If your playing aggro vs warrior and they have war axe turn 2, you probably lost.
If your playing ramp Druid vs hunter and they go coin mad scientist mad scientist, you probably lost.
I play mech shamen, 90% of the game is determined by turn 2.
Whatever you may think of the card, getting 10 frickin' Mana Crystals is a huge power play. Useless at 10 mana, but you only need to activate it once. You're basically racing to 4-mana, then top decking. The perfect play would be 1.) Dump your hand on fiddle-faddle creatures during 1-mana, 2-mana, and 3-mana. 2.) Trigger this cards with a negligible hand. 3.) Play super-cost cards for the rest of the game.
And the fact that you get 10 FULL mana crystals is perfect for Inspire, because every follow up play will involve you using your Hero Power. Honestly, the card is too extreme to ignore.
And the fact that you get 10 FULL mana crystals is perfect for Inspire, because every follow up play will involve you using your Hero Power. Honestly, the card is too extreme to ignore.
This card is worse and worse as the game goes on.
I honestly think that if you are playing this card... you try to mulligan for Innervate + this card and if you don't get the combo then you ignore this card completely past turn 4-5.
That's the main weakness for this card... it has an expiration date on it. If you don't use it early then this card is completely dead IMO.
The card has a very extreme range of "game breaking opener" to "completely dead" in late game.
I honestly think that if you are playing this card... you try to mulligan for Innervate + this card and if you don't get the combo then you ignore this card completely past turn 4-5.
That's the main weakness for this card... it has an expiration date on it. If you don't use it early then this card is completely dead IMO.
The card has a very extreme range of "game breaking opener" to "completely dead" in late game.
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