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Hearthstone |OT5| Corrupted Deeprock Salt
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RumblingRosco
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Which I would argue is anti-tempo, which the coin is supposed to be pro-tempo. So it's like a double tempo bitch slap.
I have to say, it amazes me how much Entomb and Excavated Evil help a Priest deck if you have awful card variety. Could barely ever win a ranked game, and now with the same cards except those two, I can win pretty consistently up to level 18. I mean I already knew they were good, but entombing/mind controlling everything is some obnoxious fun.
Just ran into a hunter playing ranked with some kind of crazy combo/control hunter setup. Steam wheedle sniper + Justicar, power shot w/ spellpower, ball of spiders (!), and wild pyro/hunter's mark combos.
It's kind of a shame since dude was clearly trying to use interesting card interactions, but you just can't win having to making multiple card combos turn after turn to deal with the kind of value other control decks put out in a single card. I'd really love to see a format where that kind of deckbuilding could thrive.
It's kind of a shame since dude was clearly trying to use interesting card interactions, but you just can't win having to making multiple card combos turn after turn to deal with the kind of value other control decks put out in a single card. I'd really love to see a format where that kind of deckbuilding could thrive.
Oh no, I just think cards to interact with coins would be cool, since Blizzard has slowly been adding (rogue) cards that generate them.
Oh, I got another one. Poor Giant, costs (1) less mana for every coin played this game.
I must be doing something wrong with Warlock in arena. My winrate with the coin is 75%, but without the coin is 50%. That class seems to be the only one I have trouble with. EDIT: that is out of 11 runs.
EDIT2: probably has to do with opponents having board clear and the card disadvantage becomes an issue.
Play Lorewalker Cho. all their coin are belong to you
EDIT2: probably has to do with opponents having board clear and the card disadvantage becomes an issue.
Play Lorewalker Cho. all their coin are belong to you
accel
Member
It goes much further.
Forget the aggro decks, let's say we are playing balanced decks (I know, right, but let's pretend).
How do you "counter" Divine Favor? Right, you try to reduce the number of cards that you have, making suboptimal plays. The paladin watches you struggle and then, if you didn't cripple yourself enough, he plays DF and draws, and if you did cripple yourself enough, he just thanks you, takes leverage from the suboptimal plays that you did *and keeps DF in hand*, forcing you to keep making suboptimal plays further. It's just not healthy. It's too powerful.
If the card cost more mana (like, 6) it might have been tolerable - it'd still have been enormously unpleasant (and I'd argue that it has no place in the game, because it screws up strategies in ways which aren't good), but at least your opponent would have paid for that. If the card had constraints like "draw at most 2 cards" it would have been OK. Etc. But as it stands now, DF is just nuts.
Counter Spell, Loatheb, King Mukla... that is about it.
EDIT: I forgot mana wraith and nerub'ar weblord
Yeah DF is pretty much just a bad design. Rewarding someone for playing bad is never a good idea.
I still think the design is fine, the card is just too undercosted.
accel
Member
Here's an illustration.
Suppose we add this card: "if your opponent has a wisp in their hand, they get +3 health each turn, otherwise they lose 3 health each turn". Let's make this card cost whatever you think it should cost - 5, 6, 7 mana, whatever. Is this a good card? You can "outplay" it by having a wisp, no? No, it's a bad card, because the "outplay" is completely binary and forces you to have a useless card.
DF isn't that ridiculous, but the point is that same as there is no shortage of interesting "good" mechanics, there is no shortage of "bad" mechanics either, and DF seems - to me at least - to be strictly in the latter camp. If it cost more, it would be less damaging, yes. But the whole idea is bad. Anyway, that's my opinion, I will shut up now.
Had an intense game against a Reno Mage. Only won because I entombed his Reno. I pulled double Sneeds from Curator and he got freaking Mal'ganis from Unstable. He was down to fatigue, I was down to 1, had an Auchenai with 1 health on the field, he has the Slime from Belcher. I ran my Auchenai in his Slime, drop his Reno, heal him to mock him. Then he conceded.
Funny thing is, I finally crafted Justicar and wanted to try her. She was on the bottom of my deck.
Funny thing is, I finally crafted Justicar and wanted to try her. She was on the bottom of my deck.
what's wrong with freeze mage :[
accel
Member
A question:
I want to record my games so I can replay them right after and analyze why I lost, etc. I am a bit of a noob wrt screen capturing software, is there any easy to use free program you'd recommend? I don't need sound, and I imagine I don't need super-high quality either.
Thanks.
I want to record my games so I can replay them right after and analyze why I lost, etc. I am a bit of a noob wrt screen capturing software, is there any easy to use free program you'd recommend? I don't need sound, and I imagine I don't need super-high quality either.
Thanks.
RumblingRosco
Member
If you have a newer nVidia card (700-series or up) you can use Shadowplay. Free software, works really well.
accel
Member
Thanks. I am using NV indeed, but I mostly play from a notebook, its card might not be supported (if it is, I am all set).
They said they don't have resources to do them.
If they just do a sane log (which is miles easier), they won't have to do anything, we'll make all the replay tools you'll ever need ourselves.
CelticKnight
Member
Not sure what to do with the 1500 gold I'm sitting on.
I suck at Arena, so that's a bit of a non-starter. I'm missing wings 3, 4 and 5 of Blackrock Mountain so I could get a couple of those, or I could just spunk it all on cards packs as my collection is a bit basic (I'm missing just over 100 classic cards, let alone the newer ones they released) which hampers which classes I can play with.
Or would I be better off just hoarding it for a rainy day?
I suck at Arena, so that's a bit of a non-starter. I'm missing wings 3, 4 and 5 of Blackrock Mountain so I could get a couple of those, or I could just spunk it all on cards packs as my collection is a bit basic (I'm missing just over 100 classic cards, let alone the newer ones they released) which hampers which classes I can play with.
Or would I be better off just hoarding it for a rainy day?
RumblingRosco
Member
According to this link it should work on any 600 or above card, even a mobile GPU. You can probably turn down the recording resolution, bit rate, and FPS to make the actual file very small since all you need it for is a quick rewatch and not steaming/uploadingto YouTube. The tax on your system for recording with Shadowplay is really minor so it shouldn't be an issue to run on your laptop.
wait until you have a bad day on ladder and after losing a bunch of games buy some packs to make you happy
SonicXtreme
Member
Just play arena, if ur collection is small building arenas is fun and even with one win you'll often only Come out like fifteen gold short, it's really not too hard to break even most times though
CelticKnight
Member
Good thinking Batman, hadn't thought of using it as a pick-me-up after getting Face Hunter'd to death.
I average 2 wins, think my highest is 4. Someone with a perfect draw always seems to steamroller my poor minions. Still, practice makes
accel
Member
If you give it a go, keep in mind that the break-even point is just 3 - anything higher and arenas are better than packs. (So, you aren't far away even with 2.)
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
poppedcollar69
Member
Just played a cool game where I was hand-warrior and my opponent was majordomo mage, with Belcher duplicate Ice armor and Ice block.
I broke his 1st ice armor with rag the turn he played majordomo, but he stabilized and was more or less able to deal with my threats, which in that deck are not extremely numerous. He was at 1 hp with no ice block but still 1 ice armor up (and with my board frozen), and I was patiently waiting to draw iron juggernaut... but then I got golden monkey. Dropped it, got etc, next turn, rogues do it for the win.
I broke his 1st ice armor with rag the turn he played majordomo, but he stabilized and was more or less able to deal with my threats, which in that deck are not extremely numerous. He was at 1 hp with no ice block but still 1 ice armor up (and with my board frozen), and I was patiently waiting to draw iron juggernaut... but then I got golden monkey. Dropped it, got etc, next turn, rogues do it for the win.
CraigerGamer
Member
its a shitty, thoughtless deck. You sit idle dropping crap secrets until turn 8 where you throw down Alexstrasza, then spell spell spell death. There is no nuance in the deck. You have a single win condition and its all about trolling the other dude until you get the proper amount of mana.
Freeze Mage does nothing but encourage super aggro decks like face hunter and shitty Shaman.
Draws aren't your problem here. Usually it's your draft or you are misunderstanding basic tenets of Hearthstone strategy.
accel
Member
Yup. HS is a stressful game. It's PVP after all. Losses hurt.
I'm about to fatigue this control priest with my midrange paladin, yeah I have done it a few times, like the only sure way to win really with a hero power every turn and they always draw more cards than you. It was going well, he even played Harrison on light's justice which was really bad play,.. then of course he thoughtsteals Tirion and I die to Ashbringer 
I am a bad sportman. Nah, wasn't really to mock him/her. His/her hero was the only injured character and he/she had no cards in hand.
Kezan Mysticing them is more satisfying.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Branning a Kezan is even better : D
I have been playing so many damn freeze mages that I teched in 1x Curse of Rafaam into my Demonzoo Warlock.
Kezan felt bad against too many classes, and even though Rafaam is also bad it at least does 2 damage against the other non-secret classes. It completely screws freeze mage though. They 100% lose if you curse them the turn you pop the ice block. It's glorious to see. Probably super-sub-optimal, but highly, highly recommended.
Kezan felt bad against too many classes, and even though Rafaam is also bad it at least does 2 damage against the other non-secret classes. It completely screws freeze mage though. They 100% lose if you curse them the turn you pop the ice block. It's glorious to see. Probably super-sub-optimal, but highly, highly recommended.
You probably already know this but you don't even need to pop the block for it to be lethal. Just get them down to 2. The secret won't activate on their turn.
Infernodash
Member
Freeze mage is horrible, roar druid is horrible, mysterious challenger is horrible. They're all horrible. But at least there is a variety now. It use to just be patron...
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Patron was never that commonly played. Neither is Freeze Mage.
Dr.Horrible
Member
Having a Paladin insta-concede after giving you a 5/7 minion thanks to your spellbender secret taking his +4/+4 buff is up there for me.
Thank you to whoever in this thread reminded me of this secret a week or two ago. I've been enjoying it.
Infernodash
Member
Depends on the rank. Anything below 5 was patron. Hands down!
I do know that =)
The block generally gets popped anyway though because if I am winning I'll have tons of damage on board.