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Hearthstone |OT5| Corrupted Deeprock Salt
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irfaanator
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phoenix296
Member
So is joust a good mechanic yet?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Officerrob
Banned
I could not agree more
I think some casual streamers like Day9 will try Wild mode here and there just for the lulz but the serious players will be on Standard for sure.
Nope.
even worse now? dr boom was defacto 7 mana drop, what card can replace him there?
toddhunter
Member
4. The new cards they are going to print are going to be much stronger versions of the older cards, so everybody rebuys their entire set every year.
This would make old adventures a joke and they don't want to spend time balancing them or working on the AI when you'll blow away the bosses.
So they are removing them instead.
To begin with, for sure. But this could also be a sfxt situation where Blizzard make standard the ...standard for their tournament, but everybody else sticks with wild because standard ends up sucking like being dominated by one single deck.
Time will tell.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
I just opened one too. I'll allow this.
I'm not sure why they even added Gorilla bot in LoE if they were going to remove mechs from the game. There are like two mechs in the game now, harvest golem and alarm-o-bot I think.
So no point in playing it now. It just looks like they didn't plan this that far ahead. It's always going to discover harvest golem, alarm-o-bot and itself...
So no point in playing it now. It just looks like they didn't plan this that far ahead. It's always going to discover harvest golem, alarm-o-bot and itself...
ancient of war for druid i guess lol
We probably will get new Mechs in the expansion. But yeah that seems like a huge design oversight LMAO!
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
How DARE you forget Demolisher
I'm pretty sure this will lead to the inevitable death of "Wild" as a format. For the same reasons that it has died in every other card game, lack of support. While the limited format (Type II in MTG and Hearthstone's Standard), gives the designers room to support new players and new ideas without crowding the design space, I think Blizzard choosing to go this route is disappointing. They seem to have chosen a familiar concept instead of pushing the boundaries.
Hearthstone is a DIGITAL game, they have the power to change every card ever made. Un-make cards, change cards, rework cards, rebalance cards, re-order entire sets, move cards from one set to another, etc. They have myriad options that aren't available to a physical card game due to not having any physical parts. Blizzard could have done some or all of those things to make the game better or easier for new players while not completely removing old cards and content (adventures). It seems like an admission of defeat. "We couldn't find a better way than what Magic was doing. Sorry guys! Here's Magic Type II - Hearthstone Edition!" Maybe they did try a lot of these things but just aren't talking about them or found some other good reason not to do them, but they didn't seem to address that at all in anything I've read.
I just wonder why they would want stick to the trappings of a physical game when they aren't bound by those things at all. I wouldn't want them to hold some ideal of physicality so highly that they ignore all the options available to them.
Hearthstone is a DIGITAL game, they have the power to change every card ever made. Un-make cards, change cards, rework cards, rebalance cards, re-order entire sets, move cards from one set to another, etc. They have myriad options that aren't available to a physical card game due to not having any physical parts. Blizzard could have done some or all of those things to make the game better or easier for new players while not completely removing old cards and content (adventures). It seems like an admission of defeat. "We couldn't find a better way than what Magic was doing. Sorry guys! Here's Magic Type II - Hearthstone Edition!" Maybe they did try a lot of these things but just aren't talking about them or found some other good reason not to do them, but they didn't seem to address that at all in anything I've read.
I just wonder why they would want stick to the trappings of a physical game when they aren't bound by those things at all. I wouldn't want them to hold some ideal of physicality so highly that they ignore all the options available to them.
Why do you think that they are just going to continue to release better and better versions of old cards? The rotation ensures they don't have to do that while still forcing people to buy new cards if they want to keep up in Standard.
Avenge was the most important card of the secrets, without it Secret paladin isn't THAT annoying
Does he need a replacement? SWC is pretty boss.
And Clockwork Knight!
Officerrob
Banned
So can Muster
It's hardly surprising given that HS has always been MTG-lite.
mysteriousmage09
Member
And you think Blizz will stop releasing RNG cards like those in the future expansions that will be a part of standard?
Nothing will change. The clearly haven't learned any lessons with power creep and will continue to make cards with the same mentality they have now. Only big difference is players get royally screwed over with their collection and will have no choice but to start paying Blizz for card packs of the newest set in order to have any chance at being competitive in standard mode since you can't use the cards you obtained from the set prior. The only other alternative would be to dust the majority of your cards every time the standard block switches to the next which fucks you over from doing wild mode in which case, bye bye variety in modes to play.
Not being able to purchase old set packs and adventures with gold is asinine and resorting to the god awful disenchant to creation dust cost can fuck off. They go through with this they need to make adjustments to the cost in crafting cards but they won't because every year Blizz has been showing their greed knows no bounds. They want people to be forced into buying a ridiculous number of packs from the current set on the rotation and be forced to dust a ridiculous number of cards to make the ones they actually need since that will equal much more profit for them since one can no longer pay 100g for a G&G pack and get that one legendary, or pay 700g for that Naxx wing for Loatheb.
Dude, it took them 2 years to add a scrollbar to the Collection Manager. You think they could keep up with a constantly shifting meta of thousands of cards and a myriad of possible card combinations?
Yeah, I guess they took the easy route, but if easy means less frustrating for the players, than I am all for it.
Emerson
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My biggest remaining question is this:
1) Do cards get reprinted eventually? A year and a half from now do we see a Dr. Boom reprint to put him back in Standard? I would imagine so (not necessarily that card specifically, just the concept)
2) When/If a card is reprinted, can the version from the old set be used in a deck? God I hope so.
1) Do cards get reprinted eventually? A year and a half from now do we see a Dr. Boom reprint to put him back in Standard? I would imagine so (not necessarily that card specifically, just the concept)
2) When/If a card is reprinted, can the version from the old set be used in a deck? God I hope so.
Super Nothing
Member
They're going to have to release a ton of mech support cards to make them worthwhile. GvG gave us Mech Warper, Tinker Town Technician, and a bunch of class cards like Iron Sensei, Blast Mage, Power Mace, and Repair Bot that worked with mechs. Without Mech Warper or a replacement for it, the mech tag isn't worth much.
The idea of BGH hitting 8 power minions is perfect actually. It still hit giants, but don't instakill some interesting legendaries like illidan, rafaam etc.... while still killing dragons and giants . This mean dr. boom will be OP as fuck in wild but they probably won't give a shit.
Karsticles
Member
If they're smart, they'll take a few cards from each season and make them part of the core class cards to keep things viable.
toddhunter
Member
So people keep playing/paying and getting excited.
They can power creep every single card every year now.
I hate it to but Paladins lose a ton in the rotation so I figured they might as well keep something. Though I suspect many would want to keep muster over avenge. Personally Paladin has plenty of good tools in the base set. Priest is fine too apart from losing its 3 drops, easily remedied with adding Death Lord or Dark Cultist to the base set. Shamans are going to get boned without major revisions. Losing Crackle REALLY hurts. Warlocks can go fuck themselves, Rogues losing oil really hurts as well, Druids are fine as well. It is no big deal they lost Dr. 7 unless they nerf Savage Roar. Hunter and Mage base sets are crazy as well so fuck them as well. Hunter only loses a handful of good cards easily replaced and Mad Scientist deserves to burn in the lowest pits of hell for eternity. The loss of Mad Scientist is the most exciting thing about Standard.
It is for the best if they ever intend to keep introducing new mechs and dragons to keep things fresh.
Yeah they kinda need to put stuff like Death's Bite and Cultists into the core cards. Even stuff like Unstable Ghoul and Duplicate. Naxx introduced some annoying cards but it introduced some essential class cards too.
Emerson
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This is literally the exact opposite of the situation.
If they didn't create formats, they'd be forced to either power creep or continue making new sets with few playable cards.
If they do create formats, they can keep the power level roughly stable while also introducing new cards, as old staple cards rotate out of format.
Super Nothing
Member
But they don't have to make cards stronger than what you already have anymore. Your incentive to buy the new cards comes from losing a large chunk of your old collection. You'll need the new sets to replace key drops that you lose when the old sets get rotated out.
Huh? What you are saying makes no sense. People will keep paying because they have to or be gimped by only being able to make decks from Basic/Classic cards. This change is how they are trying to end power creep.
Not to mention it allows them to ban cards with little fuss as opposed to them nerfing things into oblivion.
Lets take a bet.
Will there 2 or more Joust Cards in the next expansion, or less?
I'm going with 0.
Hey, I have a question. How does Discover interact with Standard? Can you discover a card that isn't in Standard?
Just make tie go to the jouster in this expansion. Also bets on Inspire :V
CraigerGamer
Member
If I learned anything from this past Tavern Brawl is that building crazy combo decks is a whole lot of fun. Eventually Wild could become a place where you bust out your tricks and enjoy some crazy, crazy gameplay.
phoenix296
Member
No. You can only discover cards that are available within the format you are playing.
I'm just disappointed that they didn't try. It had the opportunity to do something unique and instead chose to do the same thing as everyone else. Not surprising, just sad. My hope was they would squish the sets down. Remove all the shit-tier cards they have made over the years and compact all the new/old cards they wanted to keep into the classic and base sets. Start over but without dividing the player-base (at least for a while until Wild is a barren wasteland) and do something interesting and unique. Call it the Yearly Hearthstone Cataclysm. You can have that idea for free, Blizzard! Maybe they tried all that and none of it worked. I hope they did, I would love to hear their process on deciding to go with this format.
Ah well. Anyone want to take bets on how soon the Wild format will be a barren wasteland? I'm guessing a year at most maybe even within the year.
I think inspire will get like 3 new cards. One should be Inspire: Discover a <NEW EXPANSION MECHANIC> card.
They should just go full kusoge mode with Wild format at this point.
Allow any class to use any Legendary from any other class.
Allow up to 20 mana crystals cap.
Allow players to make a deck with upto 50 cards if they want.
Allow 4 copies of a card to be used in a deck and double Legendaries.
Start with 2 mana crystals.
Change mulligan mechanics (guaranteed not to get the same card again)
Keep changing rulesets every year just for the hell of it.
Allow any class to use any Legendary from any other class.
Allow up to 20 mana crystals cap.
Allow players to make a deck with upto 50 cards if they want.
Allow 4 copies of a card to be used in a deck and double Legendaries.
Start with 2 mana crystals.
Change mulligan mechanics (guaranteed not to get the same card again)
Keep changing rulesets every year just for the hell of it.
