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Hearthstone |OT5| Corrupted Deeprock Salt
- Thread starter ZealousD
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The only logical nerf that I think is remove the charge from force of nature.
They could compensate by giving better stats to the trents or something like that
I still don't know if it will be worth it to dust cards by the time that standard arrives, I think that I will wait until that day comes and se if I'm short of dust to get the cards needed to stay competitive
They could compensate by giving better stats to the trents or something like that
I still don't know if it will be worth it to dust cards by the time that standard arrives, I think that I will wait until that day comes and se if I'm short of dust to get the cards needed to stay competitive
Yay. 3rd 12 win arena run, first with a not-Mage class.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with a 6 mana, 6 damage push to the face.
It's Savage Roar that is the problem. It's stupid in decks that don't even have Force of Nature in them.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Props to this brawl for reminding me that Charged hammer exists.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I mean rogue has buccaneer, oil sabotage and deadly poison. They are obviously the go to
Super Nothing
Member
That basically ruins Innervate. I think they should make it similar to Preparation but for minions. They could change the text to "The next minion you play costs 2 mana less." You would still be able to ramp with it, but you couldn't use it for ridiculous finisher combos.
Found this on Reddit:
http://www.gosugamers.net/hearthsto...rrival-of-the-new-standard-a-rankings-article
Winners and loses of the removal of Naxx and GvG.
Warrior too high up in there IMO.
http://www.gosugamers.net/hearthsto...rrival-of-the-new-standard-a-rankings-article
Winners and loses of the removal of Naxx and GvG.
Warrior too high up in there IMO.
Officerrob
Banned
Quite a few people have left Archon on bad terms. Reynad and Firebat can bond over their hatred of Amaz
Karsticles
Member
I won on my first try with Mage freeze deck. My logic was that since weapons are free, freezing the opposing hero is game-winning. I turned out to be right, and I don't even have any mage cards.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
That's smart. Every deck will be focusing on weapons so freezing the hero effectively shuts it down completely
LOL Mage ALWAYS finds a way in these Brawls!
Mr.Marston
Member
Finally saved up enough gold to get an Adventure, was originally going to get Naxxramas but after seeing the coming changes I got League of Explorers instead.
It's weird because I'd been set on Naxx for so long
It's weird because I'd been set on Naxx for so long
Finally saved up enough gold to get an Adventure, was originally going to get Naxxramas but after seeing the coming changes I got League of Explorers instead.
It's weird because I'd been set on Naxx for so long
You're on your way to Reno time.
Paladin win 5 quest, never leave me Secret Paladin.
I imagine they're that high because they going back to having one archetype instead of two, at least without knowing what's in the new set.
I wonder if sites like Tempostorm will still publish tier lists for Wild format. I hope they don't because then the meta will be defined by the players playing the mode and not Reynad + crew. That might actually increase diversity and promote more experimentation.
There's a very good possibility that Wild might have more variety than Standard at some points in the meta games. The OP cards answer other OP cards and there are just more answers available. If stuff like BGH/Alex/Combo is nerfed, then something like Handlock could be uncontested in standard.
Like I know people hate Secret Paladin and Druid right now but compared to previous phases of HS these past few months had more class variety. Previously you would have completely gimped classes that would see no representation online.
Past few months I saw these decks being played which was the highest amount ever in HS:
Secret Pally, Anyfin Pally, Midrange Pally, Combo Druid, Aggro Druid, Tempo Mage, Mech Mage, Freeze Mage, Oil Rogue, Raptor Rogue, Miracle Rogue, Zoolock, Renolock, Handlock, Control Warrior, Grim Patron Warrior, Aggro Shaman, Control Priest, Dragon Priest, Midrange Hunter, Face Hunter etc.
Issue always was that minion tempo game play dominated but you still had lots of flavors of it and other playstyles too.
There's a very good possibility that Wild might have more variety than Standard at some points in the meta games. The OP cards answer other OP cards and there are just more answers available. If stuff like BGH/Alex/Combo is nerfed, then something like Handlock could be uncontested in standard.
Like I know people hate Secret Paladin and Druid right now but compared to previous phases of HS these past few months had more class variety. Previously you would have completely gimped classes that would see no representation online.
Past few months I saw these decks being played which was the highest amount ever in HS:
Secret Pally, Anyfin Pally, Midrange Pally, Combo Druid, Aggro Druid, Tempo Mage, Mech Mage, Freeze Mage, Oil Rogue, Raptor Rogue, Miracle Rogue, Zoolock, Renolock, Handlock, Control Warrior, Grim Patron Warrior, Aggro Shaman, Control Priest, Dragon Priest, Midrange Hunter, Face Hunter etc.
Issue always was that minion tempo game play dominated but you still had lots of flavors of it and other playstyles too.
RumblingRosco
Member
Light of the Naruu saw a decent amount of use as I recall, at least in decks that ran Auchenai.
Oh and shit, Velen's Chosen of course.
Ya, I think the real reason for retiring naxx and gvg was they made way too powerful of cards overall. If they didn't go full retard with those the game would have been a bit more balanced.
Ya, I think the real reason for retiring naxx and gvg was they made way too powerful of cards overall. If they didn't go full retard with those the game would have been a bit more balanced.
No matter what they did they had to take the magic route eventually. It would be that or flood the game with shit with a few notable cards or nerf tons of cards to oblivion to get people into the new set. This is a nice compromise.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Found a force of nature, just in time for me to dust it if they nerf it hehehe.
ah, forgot about Shrinkmeister being removed now. No longer you need to be scared of cabal shadow priest. The card lost a lot of value with minibot and belcher gone too. There is really not much you can steal turn 6+ now, I'm wondering if people still play it at all. It wasn't that good before GvG.
This format shake-up prompted me to catalog my cards in a way I hadn't before. I'm missing more than I thought:
I'd need roughly 13,200 dust for all the epics and 41,600 dust for the legendaries.
DRUID
* Mulch - E
* Astral Communion -E
* Dark Whispers - E
* Aviana - L
HUNTER
* Steamwheedle Sniper - E
* Dreadscale - L
* Acidmaw - L
MAGE
* Wee Spellstopper - E
* Flame Leviathan - L
* Rhonin - L
PALLY
* Coghammer - E
* Bolvar Fordragon - L
* Quartermaster - E
* Eadric the Pure - L
PRIEST
* Confuse - E
ROGUE
* Beneath the Grounds - E
* Anub'arak - L
SHAMAN
* Elemental Destruction - E
* The Mistcaller - L
WARLOCK
* Dreadsteed - E
* Wilfred Fizzelbang - L
WARRIOR
* Magnataur Alpha - E
NEUTRAL
* Millhouse Manastorm - L
* Recombobulator - E
* Eydis Darkbane - L
* Tinkmaster Overspark - L
* Mini-Mage - E
* Blingtron 3000 - L
* Elite Tauren Chieftain - L
* Hemet Nessingway - L
* Nexus Champion Sarad - L
* Recruiter - E
* Gazlowe - L
* Justicar Truehart - L
* Kodorider - E
* The Skeleton Night - L
* Skycap'n Kragg - L
* Foe Reaper 4000 - L
* Icehowl - L
* Malygos - L
* Mekgineer Thermaplugg - L
* Onyxia - L
* Frost Giant - E
I'd need roughly 13,200 dust for all the epics and 41,600 dust for the legendaries.
DRUID
* Mulch - E
* Astral Communion -E
* Dark Whispers - E
* Aviana - L
HUNTER
* Steamwheedle Sniper - E
* Dreadscale - L
* Acidmaw - L
MAGE
* Wee Spellstopper - E
* Flame Leviathan - L
* Rhonin - L
PALLY
* Coghammer - E
* Bolvar Fordragon - L
* Quartermaster - E
* Eadric the Pure - L
PRIEST
* Confuse - E
ROGUE
* Beneath the Grounds - E
* Anub'arak - L
SHAMAN
* Elemental Destruction - E
* The Mistcaller - L
WARLOCK
* Dreadsteed - E
* Wilfred Fizzelbang - L
WARRIOR
* Magnataur Alpha - E
NEUTRAL
* Millhouse Manastorm - L
* Recombobulator - E
* Eydis Darkbane - L
* Tinkmaster Overspark - L
* Mini-Mage - E
* Blingtron 3000 - L
* Elite Tauren Chieftain - L
* Hemet Nessingway - L
* Nexus Champion Sarad - L
* Recruiter - E
* Gazlowe - L
* Justicar Truehart - L
* Kodorider - E
* The Skeleton Night - L
* Skycap'n Kragg - L
* Foe Reaper 4000 - L
* Icehowl - L
* Malygos - L
* Mekgineer Thermaplugg - L
* Onyxia - L
* Frost Giant - E
veloxStrix
Banned
Don't quote me on this, but I think someone said on a stream - either Trump, the ValueTown guys, or Kripp - that crafting non-Standard cards would cost the same amount of dust as breaking it down currently would. I might have misheard them though in all honesty, since I don't pay too much attention when watching streamers.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
The combo doesn't need to be butchered that way. Delaying it one turn is enough. Also if innervate is changed the way I suggested, I think druid would be good.
I really don't think the combo or innervate is too op, however it is too prohibitive going forward. These cards will be legal in every standard format going forward, therefore they need their teeth cut a bit to give them less chance of just dominating druid deck design forever.
Yeah probably. Depends on what 4/5 drops they have in the expansion.
Evil Heckler still dies to stuff like Frostbolt ping, Truesilver, Flamestrike etc. I think if someone really needs a taunt in a Reno style deck and has already used up Senjin they can consider Evil Heckler now.
The beauty of this is that as soon as I saw the video load, I knew it would be a trainwreck. These guys are not only not PR experts, but they aren't the least bit sympathetic, even if they are 100% telling the truth. If you want to be a real business, you have to no-sell everything, wish someone the best of luck and move on. You don't get a nickname like Scamaz by being an upstanding individual and while I enjoy his content, I can't say I haven't enjoyed his fall from grace.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Cool, won three in a row with Reno Paladin. Guess that's one way to do a Paladin quest.
That was also my first deck with brawl, seemed pretty obvious to be one of the best. Just made a Tempo Mage with 2 Snowchuggers, Water Elementals, Mirror Images, and even 2 Frost Elementals.
And Animated Armor so you could face tank?
Karsticles
Member
I just want to reiterate: fuck Reno.
Take a break from the game for a year then come back when Reno is banned out.
Karsticles
Member
Why? Because I hate one card?
I don't even mind Dr. Boom. I beat Dr. Boom all the time. I've never beaten a Reno Druid, Warlock, Paladin, or Warrior so far.
Edit: Just beat another deck with Dr. Boom.
There are Reno Druids? First time I have heard of it.
Aside from Warlock these decks aren't even good. You are playing right into a Reno play if you get crushed by it all the time. First step is recognition that a deck is Reno (if you don't see any duplicates for a while assume Reno) and when you do that, you don't go all in on attacks. That should be the playstyle against Warlock anyway because under 15 HP they start getting cheap Molten Giants and they can wipe your board + heal back up.
Karsticles
Member
My deck isn't good enough to play it slow. I need to take the hits I can get. Once I have a non-basic deck, then I can do that sort of thing.
The thing that bothers me about Reno is that I can completely outplay my opponent for the first 8 or so turns, and then he gets this card that's like "LOL, none of that mattered!" Meanwhile, I'm probably at 10 health because I have to Life Tap constantly to keep board advantage due to my weak creatures. It's maddening.
Please tell me how you are "out playing" your opponent.
And I don't mean slow as in try to play a control game.. I mean only play as much stuff on the board to pressure/threaten without actually flooding or going all in. Save chargers in hand, save Power Overwhelmings in hand. If you keep the Warlock around 15-20 then they are less likely to play Reno due to greed and you can kill them with a surprise burst combo.
Karsticles
Member
It's not even possible for my deck to do 15 in one turn unless I have enormous RNG.
I am outplaying my opponent by constantly having board control. Every turn, I'm trading and maintaining the board. My deck just doesn't have any late game heavy stuff to close out a long-term match. Anyone who has basic strong late cards will beat me if the match goes too long. That's why I was going to work toward Mal'ganis and Kel'Thuzad.