LyleLanley
Banned
FUCK RENO JACKSON!
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Acerac
Banned
Taz Dingo might be passable, but I'd try to get my hands on the guardians asap. You have to consider that none of the other options have the dragon tag. I've had matches where I keep a ysera in my opening hand solely because it has that tag, having a 4 cost minion that sports it is huge.
Hell, thinking about it I'd probably suggest going twilight drake in the mean time. If you don't get a dragon early the deck falls apart, and not being able to mulligan chromagus hurts.
Karsticles
Member
It's all good, and not entirely untrue. ;-)
I learn something new every day.
I'm working on breaking this habit. :-/
How is it too good?
Hunter hero power counters Life Tap a lot of the time. One thing about Warlocks is they often can't tap safely in the late game, but every other class still has full access to its power without consequences.
My man.
LyleLanley
Banned
Reno honestly takes this game to levels of frustration beyond enjoyment.
Yesterday I went up against a Reno Warrior and I fucked up and missed lethal.
The very next turn Reno came down.
I still won that game in a couple turns. Just extended BM, guys.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Officerrob
Banned
Reynad and Eloise are streaming together
Yeah I got twilight drakes x 2, I guess I'm going to have to get tgt packs and hope for the best.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Because it's a top tier board clear in a class that now has a stupid amount of board clears/removal. Which on its own wouldn't be a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that Warlock can essentially draw cards on demand and mitigate the damage they take with burst heals.
And taking into account that healing is why Life Tap is so much better than the other hero powers and continues to only get better with the addition of new and better cards. Drawing a card for 2 mana and 2 health is an insane deal when the health loss means very little.
It's a big reason as to why Warlock has always had viable archetypes in the meta and probably always will.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Life Tap will ALWAYS be the strongest hero power. More then any other class Warlock needs to be balanced around its hero power. I say they were given garbage for TGT but they could be given garbage and still be usable.
Shadowflame can get kinda rediculous when used with power overwhelming on an ancient watcher or eerie statue, specially since people tend to ignore these guys and think nothing of them when played, so they can be set up way in advanced. That's fun to do. It's really really rare when someone has tried to go after an eerie statue.
i love reno but don't like playing against reno....maybe it is the molten/shadowflame/reno living the dream combo.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Shadowflame in a vaccum? Sure, it's fine.
Shadowflame + Demonwrath + Hellfire + Siphon Soul + Darkbomb + insane card draw + insane healing? Yeah, not so much.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Reno decks are probably the most easy decks to play around in the game. There is nothing more telegraphed then a Reno deck. If you get far enough into the game and they haven't played a single second of, then you know what to expect later down the line.
Officerrob
Banned
I couldn't agree more.
call_kotaku
Member
I wonder about warlock since they were the class that benefited most from antique healbot, but I suppose blizzard will find something to fill that niche since that card was a necessary response to aggro decks. Handlock has always been a good deck, and there's been some variation of zoo in the top tier for years, so I guess there isn't too much to worry about.
What I'm curious about is whether Blizzard decided on Standard before or after they released TGT. Is the lower strength of TGT cards compared to naxx/GvG cards a deliberate attempt to lower card strength across the board, since they knew those older cards were getting phased out?
What I'm curious about is whether Blizzard decided on Standard before or after they released TGT. Is the lower strength of TGT cards compared to naxx/GvG cards a deliberate attempt to lower card strength across the board, since they knew those older cards were getting phased out?
Dark Bomb is going to leave, Healbot is going to leave, Demonwrath is eventually going to leave.
Hellfire and Siphon Soul are fair cards.
Shadow Flame is only really good with Sylvanas (a 10 mana play of very specific two cards) and Molten Giants. I don't even think this is that much worse than Pyromancer + Equality.
There are still numerous ways to punish high card draw abilities. Divine Favor, Fatigue decks, Mill decks etc.
Karsticles
Member
That's 3 cards for a clear, though, and you need to have the big creature on the board in the first place. That seems fair to me.
This is me every time.
Dahbomb has been helping me develop strategies to respond to it. I feel like I could pull a win vs. Renolock in the future.
I don't think Warlock has a lot of good creature removal. Most of their removal is extremely costly or situational. Zoolock decks tend to run 0-1 removal cards because they just aren't that great. I agree Shadowflame is good, but I think it's fair - you are sacrificing a powerful creature to make use of it. If you use PO, that's 3 cards for the AoE.
A 30 life heal is just so much, and you don't have to earn it at all.
Karsticles
Member
If Reno Jackson didn't look like the biggest douchebag I have ever seen, I would do it.
Serious moment: if Reno was some kind of necromantic spell instead of that guy, I would play it. :-D
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Reno is still less annoying then Ice Block.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I read an article on gosugamers where lothar suggests increasing the cost of reno to 8 mana. For a 30hp heal it seems to be reasonable. This was among some other suggested nerfs.
Karsticles
Member
I haven't had Ice Block cause a problem yet. You know when it's there, so you just wait 1 more turn to finish the job. Unless you are going all face and ignoring board control, it's just a 1-turn delay of the inevitable in most cases. Keep some direct damage on hand in case he plays a board clear.
I think the card needs something to change. Lower heal or higher cost. Lower stats wouldn't mean much.
The article is here:
http://www.gosugamers.net/hearthstone/news/34218-lothar-shares-his-thoughts-on-needed-card-nerfs
Not sure why he's suggesting nerfs to cards that will be irrelevant soon.
He does have a lot of the problem card I listed too like Innervate and Prep.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Reno is pretty much the same. If you are already behind with no board, Reno will buy you two turns at most and you know when they have Reno in the deck.
Reno decks also don't run Alex.
If your deck loses to health gain, it probably deserves to lose to health gain.
It's like people play something and expect to win every match up. if they don't draw Reno you still win anyway, it's the most baffling of complaints.
Molten giant, shadowflame into Reno is broken alright. That's on molten giant and you can still play around it so that it's impossible to pull off.
They are only nerfing classic cards, it will be out in a year if you hate it that much.
If there is a board, Reno doesn't do anything. Reno doesn't do anything against druid or rogue even. Face deck can't beat Reno? sure, that's the point of the card.
Reno lock even loses to freeze mage, you can force them into Reno then Alex.
It's like people play something and expect to win every match up. if they don't draw Reno you still win anyway, it's the most baffling of complaints.
Molten giant, shadowflame into Reno is broken alright. That's on molten giant and you can still play around it so that it's impossible to pull off.
They are only nerfing classic cards, it will be out in a year if you hate it that much.
If there is a board, Reno doesn't do anything. Reno doesn't do anything against druid or rogue even. Face deck can't beat Reno? sure, that's the point of the card.
Reno lock even loses to freeze mage, you can force them into Reno then Alex.
WesternHeretic
Member
It's because you haven't played a good freeze mage. It's not 1 turn the inevitable it's 1 turn where you die on the next. Fireball>Fireball>Frost Bolt = 15.
You know what set you to 15? Alexstraza. Fireball>Frostbolt>Ice Lance > Ice Lance = 17.
Two ice blocks = good night sweet prince.
Karsticles
Member
Man, some of his suggestions are so bad...
It's really bland as fuck, a pathetic Uther party minigame of who draws more broken cards on a better curve. Paladin minimizes decision-making by design.
For me Rogue is fun in arena. Warrior and Warlock usually are, too. Hunter can be fun but on average doesn't go far, Druid is whatever, Mage is Mage and everything else is a pain in the ass to play.
I have a feeling Fearsome Doomguard may actually be in meta with the next expansion. It has one of the best stat lines for 7 drop, can't be killed by BGH, and the Demon Tag could be worth something if the next expansion is tribal based.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
It's possible but its a Boulderfist for 1 more with 1 more hp. Yes it has demon tag but that isn't worth much.
No one gives a crap about a vanilla body past 4-5 mana. Otherwise people would run Kraken.
Especially now that Void Caller is gone. Good luck playing a 6/8 no effect body on turn 7 while your opponent just goes face instead.
This is my expectation as well. Force is just a mediocre clearing spell in a world where Savage Roar doesn't exist. Making into a Beast buff card would be hilarious, but would then constrain the design for Druid beasts in the future. I bet they just change it to do something else entirely.
You forget that voidcaller won't be available to summon doomguard for free.
The other Paladin drew a smoother curve
RumblingRosco
Member
Control Priest vs Murloc Paladin; finally figured out that to win you need to Entomb their Murlocs. Or if you run Thoughtsteal grab Anyfin Can Happen, but I am not running TS right now.
Karsticles
Member
I had 2 Flamestrikes + 1 Blizzard in my arena deck earlier, but I died at 5 wins because none of them ever drew.
If the Pally is savvy to the matchup they'll only play warleader alongside stuff like pyro equality to kill it off, and the charge ones to suicide.
Entomb Warleader, and you cripple their first Anyfin. If they run two, you basically have lost if they were able to play all their Murlos and play both Anyfins.
poppedcollar69
Member
with standard upcoming lets bid farewell to the cards that never got their chance to shine
rip fel cannon
rip murloc shaman
rip pirate rogue
rip gallywix
rip shadowbomber
rip metaltooth leaper
rip gnomish experimenter
rip hobgoblin
rip hemet
u will be missed
rip fel cannon
rip murloc shaman
rip pirate rogue
rip gallywix
rip shadowbomber
rip metaltooth leaper
rip gnomish experimenter
rip hobgoblin
rip hemet
u will be missed
Most of these are awful cards that would never have gotten a chance to shine. Like who cares about Gnomish Experimenter.
irfaanator
Banned
I've seen fel cannon I think in someone's renolock deck. I forgot who though
poppedcollar69
Member
BananasWithGuns
Member
There are some interesting cards in that list for sure. Shadow Bomber and Hobgoblin are cards that could eventually have been cards in very specific decks if there were more cards.
However, cards like Gnomish Experimenter is like... what's the point of this card? Who would use this? It's just more random generator stuff in a game that already has too much of it.
I am so glad that stuff like Blingtron is removed. I was so glad no streamer though to bring it back when Cursed Blade was introduced. It would've been so silly to lose to getting your opponent to spawn a Cursed Blade while you get a big weapon.