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Oh really? I was gonna drop some google play credit I had on it, reluctantly. I have 700 gold already
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Hearthstone |OT5| Corrupted Deeprock Salt
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Oh really? I was gonna drop some google play credit I had on it, reluctantly. I have 700 gold already
.THANKS!
This here. There needs to be more stratification of ranks after each season. At start of season I get pushed down to like rank 16, I don't play rank for a few days and after I do I go up against people who are very obviously relatively new at the game and they get stomped.
Usually, but buff spells and minions are are an example where you will not usually want to use them without benefit. You can occasionally get away with a tempo abusive sergeant or BoK on an empty board, but you should always expect the opponent will remove whatever you play. The biggest benefit of a buff is that it allows you to make favorable trades and you give up that advantage when throwing it down.
There are very few absolute rules in the game. In that scenario that play gave you very little value for 1 mana. Making a subpar play just to spend all your mana makes very little sense. It's the equivalent of playing Arcane Missiles as a mage with no enemy minions only because you have the 1 mana. Have you watched this? I'd recommend watching the whole playlist, it's super useful.
Awesome to see everyone coaching in here!
I think it may be a good reminder to folks that the game isn't all RNG and legendaries when it comes to climbing the ladder. Things start to get a little tougher when you hit Rank 5, but really anyone can get there with a month or 2 of play time and some well thought out deck selections.
For example, on my F2P account, I completely dominate ranks 20-10 with my zoo deck that tops out at Doomguard and Loatheb with no boom (even though I have boom) and no peddler. I used gold to get Loatheb and Imp Gang Boss.
While climbing people make so many mistakes at lower ranks that super efficient decks like zoo are just too good. Also many people are playing unoptimized versions of lower tier decks. Mech mage is super popular and low ranks and they are usually bad versions of the deck. Zoo players at low ranks tend to push face damage against my board and I flip the tables on them with a huge tempo swing play (saving PO and abusive sergeants with Void Terror)
I think it may be a good reminder to folks that the game isn't all RNG and legendaries when it comes to climbing the ladder. Things start to get a little tougher when you hit Rank 5, but really anyone can get there with a month or 2 of play time and some well thought out deck selections.
For example, on my F2P account, I completely dominate ranks 20-10 with my zoo deck that tops out at Doomguard and Loatheb with no boom (even though I have boom) and no peddler. I used gold to get Loatheb and Imp Gang Boss.
While climbing people make so many mistakes at lower ranks that super efficient decks like zoo are just too good. Also many people are playing unoptimized versions of lower tier decks. Mech mage is super popular and low ranks and they are usually bad versions of the deck. Zoo players at low ranks tend to push face damage against my board and I flip the tables on them with a huge tempo swing play (saving PO and abusive sergeants with Void Terror)
Yep, watched all those.
Even with the improved mulliganing I'm still seeing the same difficulty trying to get past rank 15.
What? No. No they can't. I've been playing nearly a year now, I've spent real money on all the adventures, I've bought hundreds of packs with gold, most of the cards are duplicates nowadays, and the highest I have ever been is rank 12. Which I achieved this month.
Old Murk-Eye and Captain's Parrot (everyone's favorite shredder pilot) are being sent out to pasture: http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/1202-reward-promo-set-cards-restricted-to-wild-format
The same is true of ETC and Mekkatorque.
You might be overextending into specific cards when it's fine to even do something like wasting five mana while hero powering with a control deck, but those situations are hard to tell until you've seen them presented quite a few times.
The same is true of ETC and Mekkatorque.
One thing that can help is watching a high end streamer play whatever deck it is you hope to succeed with, preferably on YouTube. Before they play each turn, pause the video, think what you would do, and then resume and see if they do the same thing. If they didn't, think about why they did something differently. A lot of best streamers will explain their plays, so that can be helpful.
You might be overextending into specific cards when it's fine to even do something like wasting five mana while hero powering with a control deck, but those situations are hard to tell until you've seen them presented quite a few times.
Maybe take a break for a while. As I said before, you sound frustrated and that's probably preventing you from playing well, which only further frustrates you. Just like it's possible to get legend as a F2P (several players have demonstrated this), you shouldn't feel entitled to legend or any rank in particular just because you've spent any amount of money or time on the game.
And it does sound like maybe you need to change the way you're playing; some of your thoughts here sound like what someone new to the game would say re: mulligans and mana efficiency, there's a lot of "conventional wisdom" involved in approaching match ups and the decks you play, so there's always room for improvement beyond having the best cards at your disposal.
Hmm, maybe I'm exaggerating what a totally new player can do, but this guy was able to get to legend in 9 days with a F2P deck.
https://us.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/48665w/polish_streamer_mkrr3_just_hit_legend_with_f2p/
Most people don't have the time or stamina to achieve something like this, but still it is possible.
Another bit of advice that helped me is similar to what you are doing and that is have people spectate your games and give commentary. By watching others and getting feedback you will improve dramatically. Even pro-players make huge mistakes all the time.
I typically ignore people or squelch. The BM meta is too strong these days.
No, you're missing the point. I understand that the game is not set up so that paying money gets you better win rates or whatever. I get that. I paid money for the adventures because at the time it was literally impossible to be competitive at all without them, because everybody was using the cards that came from them.
Also, it really pisses me off when people breeze in here and say "oh yeah you can be super godlike at this game in 2 months easy" when it's patently NOT. TRUE. I am the counterexample that disproves that rule.
I understand that there is something I am doing wrong (other than the mulligan thing, which I have now corrected now that I get it). But I'm having trouble figuring out what that is.
Sure, just more apparent tonight than I usually see. Might be a small sample size, ofc.
Edit: Going to ping my thoughts on my current deck if anyone wants to give me some feedback on it. I already did the Holy Nova -> Shadow Madness and 1 Yeti -> Holy Champion switches, although they don't feel very solid from the matches I've tried tonight. Again, small sample size (and lots of opponents who obviously belong in ranks way above me) so not sure if I can draw any solid conclusions from it yet. The problem as I see it is that the Champion is immediately targeted when dropped and doesn't get a lot done. Then again, that still acts as a taunt which isn't all bad, and if it lives a turn then things will happen.
Sorry about that, my intent was to be encouraging with that point, but I can see how it could be frustrating.
There are just so many factors to ladder climbing that it can be hard to pinpoint what is causing people to get "stuck" somewhere. Hell as easy as I made it sound there are times where I get absolutely bogged down at certain ranks or have huge setbacks.
For example I hit rank 2 within 3 days of the ladder reset on month and spent the rest of the month at Rank 5 because I was frustrated with the up, down, up, down nature of the ladder climb and just played random decks.
or like the last day I've gone on a winstreak from rank 6 to rank 4 with mech rogue and hybrid hunter. The game is just dumb sometimes.
WesternHeretic
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The worst is when you tilt at rank 1 down to wtf why am i even playing this game anymore?
Sometime it just come down to fucking rng man. Nature of thr game.
What about March. Do you honestly expect Standard to hit before April
I think it is very likely that we get the expansion in March. Blizzard seems very interested in releasing expansions very soon after their announcements these days.
I'm comparing to my F2P priest decks and here is what I think (quick and very messy thoughts):
Cards to trade out with my recommendations soon as you can:
Darkscale Healer
Boulderfist Ogre
Shatter Sun Cleric
Blood Knight
Knife Juggler
Spider Tank
2 oozes is too many.
Replace with or add:
Wild Pyromancers
Piloted Shredder
Shadow Madness
Velen's Chosen
Dr. Boom
Big Game Hunter for 1 SWD
Mind control for 1 entomb
Injured Blademaster
Dark Cultist
Cabal Shadow Priest.
Blizzard takes about 4 months to do an expansion, and that is very in-line with a March release. April would make it the biggest gap in the game's history.
Plus we know for certain that Blizzard has an event planned for March 9th. We certainly won't be waiting until May.
BananasWithGuns
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Blizzard seems to be embracing the whole shorter window between announcement and release thing so the latter half of March seems fairly likely.
First week of April at the latest.
First week of April at the latest.
Yeah I'm aware of the event and I don't have any reason to think it's the expansion that's setting them back. I guess I'm just cautiously optimistic considering they're planning to launch Standard/the classic nerfs/the new expansion all at the same time or at least very close to each other.
I'm really starved for news though, can't wait to see some new cards and most of all start playing Standard. I wonder if they're planning to introduce some new mechanic like for the last expansions or if they are going to introduce more discover/inspire/joust (pls no) stuff. I don't want discover to go away T_T
Thanks! Just now realized that I actually have a BGH and never thought of it as a perfect switch for one Death. Not going to get any GvG stuff, but one Blademaster seems great. I've been hesitant to craft stuff before having a plan.
A couple of these changes should be good enough for me until the expansion hits and I can draw up some more long term plans.
Portugeezer
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Of course, RNG will always play a role.
In theory you could just get the perfect hand to beat whatever opponent you're up against, but it averages out and the better players will usually do better overall due to their overall knowledge/reading of the game, just like in Poker.
Well Met indeed. The turn 4 top deck from a Pally will be with us forever since Blizzard doesn't seem to want to change the Classic/Basic cards too much.
4 Mana seems to be a "big spell" number for most of the classes, though. Consecrate, Swipe, Fireball (Shadow Madness lol?) all show up at 4 so it seems everyone will be getting topdeck'd on turn 4 for the foreseeable future.
I've had two ideas that I have brought up already.
1. One way gates at different intervals. Right now you from 20-25 you can't drop ranks and that's cool. The problem is that the people that want their gold hero portraits get the rank they want for the month and then keep tanking their rank to farm new people. There needs to be more one way gates going up the ladder, that way people need to make a choice of do they want the rewards or not. This also allows for the rewards to get much better higher up the ladder for more incentives.
2. There can be a calculation done on the value of a person's complete collection (total ever earned and current), and have people even at the lower ranks be matched against people with similar ranking of collection. This makes it so that people can't just disenchant all their cards they don't or aren't using to try and mask their total collection rank.
Either one of those solves the problem.
And followed by turn 6 MC after I managed to clear their board and start building mine. Bah.
Wait, there's a tool that can keep track of what your opponent has played? or is that just something added in postproduction to a recording?
HS deck tracker, that's just my screencap
bunbun777
Member
I know a few folks here don't appreciate gold cards but i have this all gold priest deck that is somewhere between dragon and control, not the most competitive but a lot of fun with two entombs, 1 thoughtsteal and Elise. Was just playing a rogue trading back and forth until turn 8 when I thoughstole his golden monkey and laid it down on turn 9. All those random beautiful legendaries (2 Loethebs, Harrison Jones, Nozdormu, Sky Cap'n, Ragnaros) and unfortunately they didn't want to play anymore and conceded but it was fun while it lasted.
This would be up there with "omg I got less gold than expected at 12 wins in arena" as the kind of complaining that bugs me. It was only like 6-8 months ago that ranked rewards were even implemented, and you are already taking them for granted?
You are gonna get all sorts of gold cards that will eventually become useless down the line from ranked rewards, best get used to it.
Portugeezer
Member
So I ended on Ogre Magi rank, but I got higher than that during season, why does it say I get "Ogre Magi's stash"? Fuck you Blizz.
SonicXtreme
Member
ice block is the perfect example of why this game needs legendary spells
BananasWithGuns
Member
Because the chest only changes name every 5 ranks. Ranks 6-10 are all Ogre Magi's Stash and the only thing that changes is you get more dust, 5 more for each rank.
SonicXtreme
Member
no leper gnomes? WTF
Well, if there were no rewards I wouldn't have played ladder at all in this awful meta, Blizzard gotta pay people to play this game :b
This is the fucking thing, I DE those way back then and never get it again from Classic, I refuse use my dust for them.. man, friggin stupid.
Now Blizzard punish me with give me Lightspawn in every pack, instead the MVP Leper Gnome
Leper also the only 1 drop minions that can boost my deck, so I'm fucked.
CelticKnight
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I hit the dizzy heights of 17, and got a golden Frost Elemental for my (lack of) effort.
I might try to get higher this month, but I'm not sure if my blood pressure can take it...
I might try to get higher this month, but I'm not sure if my blood pressure can take it...
OK gonna call it for the season: made it to Rank 4 with a combination or Reno Rogue, mech rogue, and raptor rogue. Completed some hunter, mage and priest quests here and there.
463 wins on Rogue. I will work on finishing the golden portrait this week and then I'll be done. woot.
463 wins on Rogue. I will work on finishing the golden portrait this week and then I'll be done. woot.
phoenix296
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My crappy cheap decks are getting outclassed at around rank 10ish. Was winning pretty easily up until rank 12.