Then you probably also "enjoy" that the Toshley, Malygos, Mal'Ganis and King's Defender cards don't actually depict their name-givers.
Hearthstone |OT5| Corrupted Deeprock Salt
- Thread starter ZealousD
- Start date
Then you probably also "enjoy" that the Toshley, Malygos, Mal'Ganis and King's Defender cards don't actually depict their name-givers.
This.
Losing LIghtbomb is the biggest deal out of all the big deal things that deck is losing. For control priest (is there another kind? lol) that spell is miles better than Holy Nova and even Excavated Evil isn't even close to the same. Lightbomb gave Priest a way to clear threats of (almost) any size. The card is super versatile. The other two seem to be mainly anti-aggro. Priest is gonna need to get some crazy cards in this expansion or it's gonna be in a weird place.
CraigerGamer
Member
Agree on losing lightbomb for sure. But I think the Discover mechanic really helps add more control. 3 cards give you a good option to pick something that you play on curve or for some later play to finish the game.
We were praising it last night, check the posts.
Kripp had some Mill Rogue brawl games in yesterday's video, I lost it
You need to make a deck to account for the Dire Fates.
If you are using Handlock, the Charge/Taunt fate is godlike.
Windfury dire fate can end the game right there if you have the set up.
The one that draws cards for the opponent when their minions die is godlike for Mill decks.
Different Dire fates account for different playstyles. They are like super fates, a comeback mechanic type thing but you need the right deck to utilize them better.
Of course if you are losing then you are losng. But the Dire fates can easily turn a game around.
Super Nothing
Member
They're also losing Dark Cultist, Velen's Chosen, and Deathlord. Their early board control is getting wiped out in addition to their best board clear. I guess it's back to Wild Pyromancers and Injured Blade Masters, both of which are too combo dependent. And then they're losing Light of the Naaru which worked well with both of those cards and Deathlord.
They probably want you to go back to WP or soulpriest+circle and really hurt yourself if you're going to aoe down your opponent
Try to stay in control throughout the match and be mindful of when you'll get your dire fate turn and when your opponent will. It might not be worth it to attack your opponent's face if that's going to push them into theirs. Wait until you're in a good position and even if they get the tinyfin thing you can still be at an advantage (tinyfin fate + coin fate + Antonidas is insane for example, you might even want to trigger it yourself, it can be game-ending). Don't play big minions or win conditions if they're not at 20 yet or unless you can burst them from 20+ to 0. If you're playing Warlock or even Rogue you can intentionally lose health until you're at 20 to get the second fate even if you're winning.
But yeah if you're losing by a lot the dire fates will not really help you.
Yep, it will be a great day. We will also be left with only 3 minion RNG summon cards, Mounted Raptor, Hungry Dragon, and Effigy.
People hold on to their coins and bananas too long.
Nah with Dr Boom gone we can finally retire that tag.
A card has to stupidly broken for it to be compared to a banned card.
irfaanator
Banned
Savannah Highmane finally gonna be Dr. 6 again
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
New name - Mysterious xxxxx
Mysterious Challenger still in the game man.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Only with Justicar or something like Tuskarr Totemic.
With the base hero power, once you have one of each totem on the board you can't use it anymore.
Super Nothing
Member
Nope. You can change that with Justicar, but normally it's one each. With Justicar, the total number of hero power totems is capped at 4, but you can have any combination of totems including duplicates.
Edit: Speaking of Justicar in Shaman decks, does anybody else think that they got the worst Justicar hero power? Totems are already the worst hero power because totems are mostly useless, but they don't get upgraded or anything. They don't get multiple totems like Paladin does recruits. They just lose the RNG, but how often does that actually matter?
wow, yeah, worst hero power, basically useless for me right now
But really without Avenge is that deck gonna still be played? Are people going to run more copies of Competitive Spirit instead? (no) Maybe Redemption, I guess? (maybe?)
And without the super sticky minions the deck will have big problems keeping units on the board. I'm super curious to see what kind of minions get printed for Paladin in the next expansion. That class has some real issues.
Paladin can rot for all I care, utterly terribly designed class.
Hm Hunter, it's always going to be an aggressive class so from a variety/future potential angle I agree. I like its tribal aspect though.
Shaman is a complete mess no question, but it has a bunch of unique and kind of cool mechanics and themes that are just underused, unfinished or couldn't keep up with the power creep (classic overload cards).
But Paladin is fundamentally flawed in the sense that it's built on a single gimmick: being very powerful when it controls the board but weak once it falls behind. Now with Hearthstone being a board-centric and tempo-driven game this is highly problematic, and most of us remember how worthless Paladin used to be. So the only way out is giving it more and more AND MORE massively overvalued power cards until the entire dynamic is flipped upside down. And when a big chunk of those cards leave the format Paladin goes straight back to being garbage tier because Blizzard failed to diversify the class at all, except for the recent "combo" archetype - which might not survive standard either.
That's what I meant when I called Paladin a terribly designed class.
Paladin still has a Control option, a Midrange option and a combo option. Stuff like Pyromancer Equality allows them to get back on the board. That combined with their heals means that they can actually play a control playstyle or play for the long haul but neither Hunter nor Shaman can do that. They are binary classes pigeon holed into specific archetypes due to bad design.
Shaman is stuck playing aggro because aggro doesn't care about using hero power and aggro uses overload better.
Hunter is stuck playing a form of Beast face deck or a Midrange Beast deck because that's all they ever get. The hero power and lack of good heals/draws means they can't play a late game. So all these cards like Lock n Load, Ball of Spiders, Powershot and Dreadscale end up going to waste.
Shaman is stuck playing aggro because aggro doesn't care about using hero power and aggro uses overload better.
Hunter is stuck playing a form of Beast face deck or a Midrange Beast deck because that's all they ever get. The hero power and lack of good heals/draws means they can't play a late game. So all these cards like Lock n Load, Ball of Spiders, Powershot and Dreadscale end up going to waste.
Shaman gained a lot from Sir Finley, and Fireguard Destroyer is insanely good. I think there's a good midrange list somewhere, but it wouldn't survive the transition to Standard anyway since the best midrange minions are cycling out.
I love it with Warlock, despite people already get used to it now.. still got 30 win in first day
Reaching 2nd fate first is HUGE
Also don't waste your resource if your opponent not reaching 2nd fate, you don't want those dandy minions turn into murlock
CelticKnight
Member
Playing casual to mop up some dailies.
FaceCunters Hunters out in force tonight...
Face
I like Shaman when I had a chance to mess around with it with good draft in arena tbh
The AoE removal was fun, unlock your overload with two drop spell, Fearal Spirit to buy time, Flame Elemental, finishing with Bloodlust after controling the board.. I don't even have windfury card
Fireguard Destroyer is super cool card btw.
The AoE removal was fun, unlock your overload with two drop spell, Fearal Spirit to buy time, Flame Elemental, finishing with Bloodlust after controling the board.. I don't even have windfury card
Fireguard Destroyer is super cool card btw.
Portugeezer
Member
What is their midrange option, exactly? Midrange Paladin did not really exist until Minibot and Muster.
They can use Garrison Commander, Murloc Knight and Silverhand Regent with Justicar Trueheart to create a sort of flood Midrange Paladin. That deck actually works pretty well its just that the Minibot Muster version works better of course. They still have Aldor and Uldaman as additional options for that deck. Hell they can probably even bring back Sword of Justice.
And this isn't even including good drops in the 2/3 slot that may get introduced in the expansion.
An inspire Paladin? That sounds like it would be garbage against anything but Control Warrior. Without the strong early game of Minibot and Muster, such a deck would have a difficult time seriously capturing the board in the early game.
That's because it will be against other similar decks with non sticky minions. Knife Juggler is still very strong in this deck too assuming it doesn't get gutted l. You can also use Argent Horseriders in the 3 mana slot to have aggressive board control.
I have tried the deck and it's pretty solid. It can certainly snowball out of control.
With Murloc Knight, Uldamann and Aldor still being around, paladin will definitely have a hell of a mid range deck around. I kinda want to try this deck now. Inspire pally eh? Just flood the board in hte mid-game and hope they can't keep up with the 1/1s and such? Is there anything else in there that I wouldn't be albe to figure out from that theme?
Isn't it assumed the nerf to juggler is going to be on minions played and not summoned anymore?
Wonder if they could make a system for people that quit instantly out of a match consistently to tank their rank. Those people are the ones that are farming lower ranks
FUCK ALEXSTRASZA
I hate that card more than any other in this game. completely in the lead, and it's 15 damage instantly that it does not deserve. Fuck that card. It should not do damage at all, shes the life binder. If it heals fine whatever, it's a less risky and less healing reno, but fuck that card doing damage
I hate that card more than any other in this game. completely in the lead, and it's 15 damage instantly that it does not deserve. Fuck that card. It should not do damage at all, shes the life binder. If it heals fine whatever, it's a less risky and less healing reno, but fuck that card doing damage
oh lawdd, young kibler
Are you watching his stream now too? the one he linked in that black and red fire shirt is funny.
I seriously hope that card is on the short list of "Problematic cards" they are taking a nerf bat to in the patch. Alex singlehandly enables so many different combo decks just by existing. If she was self target only it would be so much better. 3rd Iceblock for 9 Mana is ok by me.
You should just try this deck with Muster for Battle, Quartermasters and Minibots. Pretty much the standard Midrange Paladin list.