Karsticles
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N'Zoth won't ressurect the Raptors, unfortunately.
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Hearthstone |OT5| Corrupted Deeprock Salt
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Would you consider playing raptor rogue in standard? Even with N'Zoth I'm not sure it's worth it yet. All the new deathrattles are too weak so far.
edit: I'm pretty sure they will nerf shadowstep now.
There could have been a good 2 drop for rogue between cutpurse and this, unfortunately they missed the mark both times and did something dumb instead.
edit: I'm pretty sure they will nerf shadowstep now.
There could have been a good 2 drop for rogue between cutpurse and this, unfortunately they missed the mark both times and did something dumb instead.
Super Nothing
Member
This is true, but I don't think Huckster is the card to save it. The deathrattle already has questionable value, so getting 2 of them still isn't that great.
Haunted Creeper is not like a Turn 2 Spider Tank. Get outta here with that crap.
I value a random card at 1 mana. Card draw or discover is valued at 1.5 mana.
What value do you place upon a random card? How much should burgle cost to see play?
He has to forget about it like 2 or 3 more games so in 15 minutes or so.
It has almost no value for laser focused classes like rogue actually. Rogue is all about having a game plan and maneuvering the game toward it every turn by planning ahead. Your cards and hero power are built for that. It's not any different for raptor rogue either.
Maybe this card is good for control style deck that you don't care you can't play the card you get anytime soon or ever even. Rogue is not that class, you don't have the health gain to play that kind of game. If this was a mage card for example, I could see the value but this is not mage or priest or whatever. It's not even good for a mid range rogue, you need stronger stats for a 2 drop. It's awful for tempo rogue.
Inside a bubble that when counting mana cost and value, the card is good. In context of rogue class, it's not any good.
NO VALUE? So burgle would not even see play at 1 mana? This is your position?
I think Burgle is over costed, and should be 2 mana. I also value totally Random Cards at about 1 mana, since there is a good chance you get junk and you can really afford to give up tempo for RNG. The reason Spell Slinger and Unstable Portal are playable is that Spell Slinger is a 3 drop body still, and Portal has the 3 mana discount. The reason Discover is so much better is that it isn't just a random card, you get 3 random cards and pick 1 of them. I say Discover may even be worth 2 mana its self, and the current discover cards are so good because most of them are undercosted.
Undercity Huckster is worse then both Museum Curator and Dark Peddler IMO, but I still think its a good card.
What could make random cards more valuable is if you ever got a way to "trade them in" besides Golden Monkey.
Huckster's value is average at best. The closest comparison is Loot Hoarder. You're trading one of your own cards for your opponents' class card and +1 health. Is that trade worthwhile?
Not to me. Not without a card that said something silly like "your non-rogue, non-neutral cards cost 2 less." as well as a whole bunch of supporting cards for this theme.
Maybe if everyone runs tentacle and first mate as well. I could see Huckster replacing Hoarder.
Not to me. Not without a card that said something silly like "your non-rogue, non-neutral cards cost 2 less." as well as a whole bunch of supporting cards for this theme.
Maybe if everyone runs tentacle and first mate as well. I could see Huckster replacing Hoarder.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Forsen's card.
If you read the rest you would have realized what it means. It takes a card slot, you can have 30 cards in your deck so no, you don't put a card that can be useless in your deck. No matter how much 'value' it can have when it's just not good for your deck. If we were building decks like that there would have a lot of non sense cards in every deck. I think I've explained enough how dubious this card is.
Neutral Epic, Battle Cry: "New Fate - Cards from other classes now cost (2) less"
Bamn, now you got a card with both Rogue and Priest Synergy, which Hunters and Mages have a small chance to exploit them selves.
Edit: Ok, now I think that could be a card with this new Warlock Spell. God damn thats a cool card.
God that's so weird.
I can see people making an all-lock card deck and throwing that in and seeing what happens. Weird.
"oh, i got shaman. Great"
BananasWithGuns
Member
Probably the penultimate of randomness wrapped into one card.
Another joke card.
Super Nothing
Member
Why? This seems terrible.
veryslowhand
Banned
so you get an another class randon deck with a discount
irfaanator
Banned
wut. why?
Dude you still aren't answering my question. How much would burgle have to cost to see play? Or are you actually going to take the position that it wouldn't even see play at 0 mana?
No, it only replaces your Warlock Cards, the Neutrals stay the same and don't get any discount.
-1 mana
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
another trolden card
This is some Yugioh stuff.
Thats not what the card says, it would say "that cards", not "the cards" after a point.
Or is bad wording.
LyleLanley
Banned
Seems like a fun card.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Purely made for fun/randomness. Should be interesting.
Super Nothing
Member
Which hero's cards do you get? Is it a Discover where you get to pick from 3 random heroes, or is it totally random? Either way, it still seems like junk.
So you don't know.
That's what I'm hearing. You don't know what a random card is worth.
That might be the strangest card in Hearthstone history. I'm not sure it will be any good, because you know you're going to pick/get Paladin or something and have all your good Warlock cards turn into Humilities and shit. I suppose there's a chance you get good cards and a decent discounted curve and run over your opponent.
It's a card that probably demands it's own deck be built around it.
It's a card that probably demands it's own deck be built around it.
You sort of have to, to get value out of it you need to have a decent number of Class cards to transform. Maybe it would be worth it in a control deck, you put the warlock cards that are good early on but start to really suck the later the game goes, then play this when you don't want to tap anymore.
You could also use this in some really gimpy inspire deck, since this card effectively lets you tap hero power twice. But with no new inspire cards, that isn't likely to be possible.
Super Nothing
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It's pretty hard to put a value on a completely random card. Although you can come up with some sort of average, the variance is going to be so wide that the average doesn't really tell you a whole lot. The lack of dependability makes it worth significantly less than a regular card draw, so it's usually a better choice to play something else entirely. Burgle doesn't see play because Fan of Knives exists. I don't think Huckster will see much play because Loot Hoarder exists.
I think you'll see it, but specifically in streams or in joke rule tournaments.