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[Shiver]

Ostkaka will dismantle hotform.

 

[inky]

Double rogue final. What Rogue problems? benbrodelaughs.jpg

 

[Line_HTX]

Valeera revival meta.

[Brode laugh] AHA HA HA HA HA

 

[Haly]

Rouge finals

 

[JoeMartin]

Holy christ that Thaurissan. That was a freeze mage wet dream.

 

[Haly]

Unstable Inspire Mage!

 

[Line_HTX]

That Thaurissan and Alex knocked Tempo Mage down a tier.

:O

 

[JoeMartin]

It's pretty much impossible to lose on that draw. He just got cheeze mage'd real hard.

 

[toddhunter]

Double rogue final. What Rogue problems? benbrodelaughs.jpg

The Rogue problem of there being exactly one deck to play. It has always still been extremely strong.

Looking better for the future though.

 

[_DrMario_]

Hotform gonna get 3-0'd

 

[Line_HTX]

Kripp triggered from Grommash Inner Rage.

 

[toddhunter]

I think this just highlights how bullshit the old patron warrior really was.

 

[Dragner]

Hotform is a good player but IMO not near Ostkaka skill, Thijs vs Ostkaka was the anticipated final, but with RNGsus you never know...

 

[Haly]

Ben Brode regarding Rogue:

 

[inky]

EZ game

 

[Officerrob]

Anticlimactic. Nice bug at the end

 

[_DrMario_]

Well that was anticlimactic.

 

[Line_HTX]

And it is another anti-climactic 3-0 Finals sweep of the World Championship.

 

[Fireblend]

Goddamn those rogue draws.

 

[veloxStrix]

Thank god, I knew Ostkaka had it.

But somewhere, deep in my heart, I was afraid Hotform would RNG to victory with Tempo.

I figured this tournament would end Kranich vs Ostkaka with Ostkaka to win. Pretty far off on one end.

 

[Nirolak]

Yeah, the Thijs vs. Ostkaka match was essentially the actual final.

 

[Dahbomb]

Well played by Ostkaka, really solid anti meta deck selection and well piloted as well. All of those decks were difficult to play in general.

I will say that because the Warsong nerf happened so recently, many players didn't really try to switch over to Secret Paladin. Those who did manage to get some easy wins but due to the format it's not how well you do with one deck but 3.

 

[toddhunter]

Could be worse, the guy with mech shaman, face hunter and zoolock could have won.

Good on him.

 

[MThanded]

That was extremely anticlimactic.

 

[FeD.nL]

Yeah, the Thijs vs. Ostkaka match was essentially the actual final.

Yup that was some good stuff. Only wished the priest would take it, ah well Ostkaka played very well.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

In terms of most entertaining tournaments.

Archon Team League>Seat Story Cup>ViaGame Cup>Hearthstone WC.

 

[Pooya]

Thijs and Ostkaka were in a whole another tier than the rest, they rolled over everyone else. Brackets ruined the final match.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Thijs and Ostkaka were in a whole another tier than the rest, they rolled over everyone else. Brackets ruined the final match.

Cant have an EU final i guess.

 

[Pooya]

Ben Brode regarding Rogue:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...Im-N7mp.png/revision/latest?cb=20151003200010

coming in next patch, oil now cost 5 mana, adds 2 damage.

 

[Dahbomb]

They haven't added a lot of high powered spells for Rogue since Oil. I guess they are scared of Prep too much.

 

[Haly]

They haven't added a lot of high powered spells for Rogue since Oil. I guess they are scared of Prep too much.

Oh god don't clue them in on the design space issues.

 

[Dragner]

Prep is on the danger side of being broken as more spells are developed, and blizzard knows it, knowadays rogue gets mostly gimicky spells (burgle, beneath the grounds) than anything.

 

[Magnus]

Prep is on the danger side of being broken as more spells are developed, and blizzard knows it, knowadays rogue gets mostly gimicky spells (burgle, beneath the grounds) than anything.

Yeah, I think it might become another Warsong; nerfed eventually, to ALLOW for new great cards that won't end up becoming broken based on Prep's design.

 

[Owzers]

coming in next patch, oil now cost 5 mana, adds 2 damage.

kill the rogue, save mysterious challenger so i can craft one.

 

[Dahbomb]

It's not like they haven't added powerful Druid minions as of late like Savage Combatant despite having Innervate. I think it's more like they are trying to force a specific archetype on Rogues with these spells rather than specifically designing around Prep.

 

[call_kotaku]

maybe if prep had text like "the first spell you cast next turn", since it seems closer to what you'd think the card would do

 

[Pooya]

Yeah, I think it might become another Warsong; nerfed eventually, to ALLOW for new great cards that won't end up becoming broken based on Prep's design.

well prep only works on rogue spells, so it's a contained situation while warsong affected every neutral minion. They will just keep printing bad spells for rogue instead, actually in this set there are no rogue spells instead we have 3 minions while every other class gets 2 minions and one spell...

 

[Dahbomb]

maybe if prep had text like "the first spell you cast next turn", since it seems closer to what you'd think the card would do

Innervate is way worse than Prep for the game. Prep is only really good with like a couple of spells (Sprint and Oil) and they are contained to Rogue spells. It's not like you can draw Prep in the opening hand and potentially win off of it by playing a spell on turn 1.

 

[inky]

Leave Innervate alone ;_;

 

[Nirolak]

It's been two years and to my knowledge they've never even remotely mentioned concern about Prep or Innervate.

I really doubt they care. They view them as the nature of the classes (combo enablers and mana manipulation).

 

[toddhunter]

They view them as the nature of the classes (combo enablers and mana manipulation).

As they should. Those cards are great for keeping the classes unique.

The better solution to not being able to add more cards, is adding a new class. That is the one thing that would really change Hearthstone up again.

 

[Dahbomb]

Yeah I am not even saying they do anything about that. Just pointed out the lack of good Rogue spells since GvG.

Usually class cards are very unlikely to get changed but like Warsong, something like FoN could get changed. Blizzard definitely isn't too keen on charge mechanics.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

The difference is rogue's spells have not gotten much better. While minions continually have improved over time. Back in classic innervating out a big minion on turn 1 wasn't a big deal. Now shredder is kind of a big deal on turn 1. It is as much pressure as a yeti but stickier. And then there is dr. boom and ET.

Meanwhile, rogue has gotten sword oil... and that is almost it. There are a couple more spells. like burgle and sabotage, but not particularly great. Sabotage would be better at 3 mana and even burgle would've been fine with a cost reduction. But the important thing to note is that innervate has gotten stronger over time while preparation just slightly stronger at gvg and almost none at all since. No new spells in LOE either.

 

[gutshot]

Besides Muster for Battle has there been a better spell released since launch than Oil? I would say Rogues are doing a lot better than other classes which have had almost all trash spells.

 

[Zoggy]

As they should. Those cards are great for keeping the classes unique.

The better solution to not being able to add more cards, is adding a new class. That is the one thing that would really change Hearthstone up again.

deathknight you start out with 55 legendaries

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Besides Muster for Battle has there been a better spell released since launch than Oil? I would say Rogues are doing a lot better than other classes which have had almost all trash spells.

There are a lot of good spells. Lightbomb, implosion, crackle, velen's chosen, living roots, bash, revenge... these come to mind at least. There are probably more. Probably a couple haven't found a deck yet but definitely can find one, like mulch.

Echo of mediev
effigy
flamecannon

I feel like there have been a lot of high quality spells mostly across the board.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Besides Muster for Battle has there been a better spell released since launch than Oil? I would say Rogues are doing a lot better than other classes which have had almost all trash spells.

Living Roots

 

[Officerrob]

I'm ready for all the streamers to go home

 

[Dahbomb]

Besides Muster for Battle has there been a better spell released since launch than Oil? I would say Rogues are doing a lot better than other classes which have had almost all trash spells.

Living Roots, Bash, Unstable GG, Implosion, Velens, Light Bomb, Quick Shot, Powershot, Healing Wave, Elemental Destruction, Effigy.

Maybe not better than Oil but they have added some good spells since release. Problem is that classes like Hunter and Druid don't give a crap about good non face damage spells so even if they get good spells they just don't get used (like Mulch and Powershot).

 

[Miletius]

Rogue's core package of spells has not changed very much since Oil. Backstab, Evis, Prep, Sprint, Blade Flurry, and sap are all still part of the combo package that rogue runs, and that hasn't really changed since classic. Add in FoK and Shiv and you've basically got the complete rogue spell list.

I think rogue is a powerful class and they are often underrated. But they haven't had the development that other classes have had and thus they just feel like they haven't been innovated on in a long time. Hopefully this upcoming adventure will change that.